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Delta's MD-88s  
User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

A post back in May indicated that Delta plans on keeping its MD-88s for another 10-15 years. Given the need to reduce capacity recently, have estimates on the retirement dates for the MD-88 fleet been pushed up any?

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User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

I hope so!!! Those things are pieces of excretion. I hope those all are gone by like 2003.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Airbus380 -- why are they pieces of excretion? Is it because you don't like their looks, or do you have some rational reason?

Pete


User currently offlineL-1011 Tristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Why would we get rid of our MD-88's? They are fairly new, They are in good shape and they are dang good aircraft.

L-1011 Tristar


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Why a piece of excretion? I don't like very much the MD-88 but those aircraft isn't a excretion. The MD-88 fleet will be retired between the 2005 and 2010 replaced by the 737-800. Remember the future Delta's fleet will be:

Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-300
Boeing 777-200


RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

What about the B767-400. Is it included in Delta plans or they didn´t like the aircraft and they won´t have them anymore.
They also need a small plane with capacity between 100 and 145 seats. Today they have the B733 and B732 (Delta Express). Isn´t the B73G a good choice?

Rojo


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Rojo:

Thanks! I forget the 767-400ER in the future Delta fleet. For Delta Express I consider the 737-600 will be an excellent idea. So the Delta's future fleet will be:

Boeing 737-600(Delta Express).
Boeing 737-800.
Boeing 757-200.
Boeing 767-300.
Boeing 767-300ER.
Boeing 767-400ER.
Boeing 777-200ER.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

The 736 will not be Delta Express' plane, the new contract has the Express pilots pay based on the 737-700, which is the plane closest to the 732 in size.

Delta plans on keeping its MD-88 fleet until the planes are around 20 years old, which would be in 2006 and it would continue thru 2014 (this includes MD-90s)

Delta's future fleet will be centred on:

Boeing 737-NG (600-900)
Boeing 757/767
Boeing 777

Jeff


User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

They are pieces of excretion. I flew on one PNS-ATL-AUS. The air conditioning wouldn't turn off. I was freezing to death. I was sitting in 18A. On a 2.5 hour flight I got served a 5 cm bag of bad chex mix and a .5 pint of water. For $500 I don't think that was very nice. And the aircraft was terribblleeeee!!!!!!! The engines sound like a mad swarm of wasps. That whining is ridiculus. DL and any other airlines that have MD-88s should get rid of them.

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

I think you are unfair in your treatment of the plane when you talk about what you were served to eat!! Further, Delta's MD88's have a tighter seating arrangement than American Airlines, whose MD80's are nice to sit in. Finally, I've sat in seat row 18A and disagree with your characterization of engine noise as being high or like a "swarm of wasps"! Don't confuse the condition of an airplane with the design. Fly American Airlines MD80's and then report your opinion. By the looks of your forum name however, I think an unbiased opinion may be difficult to come by.

User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Sitting in 18A I doubt you would even hear the "rear" mounted engines.

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

DeltAirliners:

Thanks for the new information! The Boeing 737-700 is a great plane too.


RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Most of DL's MD-88s may (and many do) look like crap, but from my experience with them they fly very nicely. (Hurry the painting process Mullin!) Also, it seemed pretty quiet to me; but I was in F/C...the furthest possible from the rear mounted engines. Also, DL has something like 1 752 on order atm...are they going to place a larger order any time soon? Some of those planes are 17 years old already.
DeltaOwnsAll


User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

The air conditioning wouldn't turn off.

Why not? All you have to do is turn the nozzle, if that doesn't work, get a blanket, if there aren't any left, oh well. I doubt that every single MD-88 in the Delta fleet has an air conditioner in seat 18A that doesn't work. How can you judge the aircraft by what kind of food you were served? That should be directed towards the airline itself.


User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

I flew onboard an MD-88 from EWR-ATL on 27 DEC 2000. The legroom was standard for that type of aircraft on a domestic flight. The noise level was fine, even lower than an aircraft that has wing mounted engines. The best thing that this type has going for it is the undisputible fact that they have an exeptional safety record.

User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

>>>> The air conditioning wouldn't turn off. I was freezing to death. I was sitting in 18A.<<<<

Consider yourself lucky, there are plenty of MD-80s that have piss poor air condtioning. Did you even ask the cabin crew to have the cabin temp upped slightly? It's adustable you know.


User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Any 717's for Delta in the future?


It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
User currently offlineL-1011 Tristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

You have no right to stereotype every MD-80 made. You can turn the nozzle a different way, If that didnt work you should of told a F/A. Regarding the service, Thats usually what you get on a flight that short. How was the aircraft terrible? The MD-80 Series uses the Pratt & Whitney JT8D Series which are extremely powerful engines. The MD-80 Series is one of the quietest aircraft I've ever flown on. I've sit in 25A and didnt think it was noisy.

So I take it that you want Delta (Who has over 90 MD-88's) Continental who has a shitload, and American that has the most MD-80 Series aircraft to get rid of them??? You know how long and complicated that would be??? Plus what would you replace them with?

Regards,
L-1011 Tristar

"Fly Delta Jets"


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1023 times:

Travellin'n man:

The new contract with ALPA exclude the Boeing 717 in the Delta's future fleet plan. The Boeing 737-800 will replace the Boeing 727-200 Adv and the MD-88. And for Delta Express the Boeing 737-700 will replace the Boeing 737-200 Advanced.

RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1019 times:

Delta has 120 MD-88's to be exact, Continental has 58, and American has around 270. TWA has 103, so by numbers of Super 80 operaters in the US:

1. AA
2. DL
3. TW
4. CO
5. Alaska
6. US


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1016 times:

Hi SESGDL:

Do you consider the MD-88 only or the MD-80 series because only Delta and Midwest Express has the MD-88 in service in the United States. Continental operates the MD-82 and MD-83, American the MD-82 MD-83 and MD-87, Alaska the MD-83, TWA the MD-83 and USairways operate the MD-83.


RJ_Delta.


User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1008 times:

I have flown aboard the MD80 more times then I can count. I've sat everywhere from First to the back. I have to admit that in the last row abeam the engines it is quite noisy, but other then that I have found them to be among the quiestest in the skies. Easily comparable to the 737NGs and new A320Xs. They have a nice ride and I have always enjoyed my flights on them, although I'd try and avoid the last row. I have never flown on Delta's but can't see them as being any different from AA's, TWA's, Continental's, or USAirways.

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1005 times:

I speak of all MD-80's.

User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 987 times:

There's very few aircraft that I hate.......and of course I love the MD-80.

I have yet to actually fly on one though, but sometime in the near future I most definitely will.

As far a s looks the MD-80's a winner as well, love them T-tails!!

I would give my right arm to fly an MD-80 though and I hope they stick around for quite some time.

OK, as far as DL's MD-88s. The way each aircraft is maintained is the sole responibility of the airline which operates the aircraft or the separate/partner companies which maintain an aircraft through an external maintenance agreement/contract.

So if you flew on the MD-88, of DL's, with a malfunctioning air conditioner that would not turn off, then the fault lies with Delta, not with McDonnell Douglas nor the MD-88 design itself, unless the same incident occurs fairly often over a wide variety of operators maintaining their aircraft accoring to the books. Onyl at which time could it be considered a manufacturers defect. ! Big grin

Phew!!! OK, that's off my chest, where was I?  Big grin

Oh yes, MD-80's RULE!!  Big thumbs up



User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 974 times:

I have flown on Delta's MD-88s a lot and I have never had a problem with the noise or air conditioning. The same goes for Continentals MD-80s.

Delta would not order the 717 even if they did not put it in the new contract. It wouldn't simplify the fleet, and the 736 would do the trick in terms of pax and commonality with the other NGs.

Jeff


25 Mikephotos : SESGDL, You left out a few US operators of the MD-80 series: Miami Air (MD-87) - have they been received yet? Midwest Express (MD-81/82/88) Southeast
26 Jettblasterp : MD88s are real cool planes. That series can has a max takeoff of 160000 lbs as oppsed to most 81/82/83s that only carry 149,500 lbs. Thats a lot for a
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