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Alaska Airlines Starts SAT On 9/17  
User currently offlineMeanGreen From United States of America, joined May 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

I did not see this posted here is the link: http://www.alaskaair.com/content/deals/flights/new-city.aspx I find this quite interesting! What other markets do you think they will enter and will they ever consider any smaller markets like LIT?

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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting MeanGreen (Thread starter):
What other markets do you think they will enter and will they ever consider any smaller markets like LIT?

That's a common question. PHL surprised no-one, but I would not have guessed MCI and SAT as being next on AS's list.

My best guesses for next AS destinations are RDU, CLT, PIT, and maybe even TPA. Dark horses would be OMA, MSY, MEX (from SEA and SJC) and OKC. A.net posters have pretty much ruled out ITO as being feasible.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
A.net posters have pretty much ruled out ITO as being feasible

I will say my thoughts on this subject, I do think AS could make an ITO-SEA-ITO flight work 3-4 days a week, cargo I would think, would be good for AS. I'm sure many of the other cities mentioned above will be considered long before ITO.

I have heard all the arguments, I'm not trying to convince anyone, but my gut tells me this would work well, AS is well known locally in Hawaii, there is no reason they couldn't operate it profitably, but it still would not yield the percentages AS likes to get from flying a route.

BTW, kudos to AS for yet another good destination, the AS route map looks cool, I remember seeing timetables where SEA was the only lower 48 destination they had, then they added PDX as a tag off SEA, with many mainline A/C over the many years.

[Edited 2012-09-07 04:57:39]


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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting MeanGreen (Thread starter):
I did not see this posted here is the link: http://www.alaskaair.com/content/deals/flights/new-city.aspx I find this quite interesting!

As others pointed out, this was announced earlier this year. Still, it was an interesting route choice and certainly not at the top of any of our lists of potential AS destinations. We'll see how this one shapes up for AS in the coming months.

Quoting MeanGreen (Thread starter):
will they ever consider any smaller markets like LIT?

Not a snowball's chance in Hell. You could make a better business case for several similarly-sized markets that won't be seeing AS service any time soon, if ever. I'm betting on ABQ, TPA or RDU next time AS announces new routes from SEA...there will probably be a nice transcon originating from PDX in the mix somewhere too. Smaller markets like LIT are adequately served via the DL codeshare and don't have the demand neccesary for AS to dedicate their own metal.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

There was some scuttlebutt about SEA-BNA a few years ago. Although not directly related to any potential new service. Nashville is currently building a huge convention center downtown which I understand is suppose to open in 2013. It would be neat to see the Alaska branding and Eskimo tail in BNA. The one potential issue I see is WN operates a focus city in BNA and WN and AS haven't always seen eye to eye. With that said AS offers service to DEN where WN also operates a focus city. And AS has yet to serve BWI.


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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

I'm placing my money on MSY, RDU, and SLC for future route announcements. Many are quick to say SLC will never happen because of DL, but AS is a strong, independent-minded carrier and will start routes as they see fit. They have had absolutely no qualms about serving MSP or ATL, and I am sure eventually they will tap the DTW market if they ever see the business case. AS does what AS wants, and lets be honest: their dance partners let them.

I agree, GentFromAlaska, the chatter about BNA comes and goes frequently so it would not surprise me to see them eventually serve it. I believe they currently codeshare to BNA from ATL, ORD, and DTW. Seems like they would have enough demand.

JetA



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

I expect CLT in the next year or two

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Okay so here's my list of the next cities AS may start serving from SEA. This topic comes up about once a month, but is fun.

BNA, MSY, ABQ, TPA, CLT, RDU, SLC, CVG, PIT, MEX, ITO, OMA, OKC, BWI, YYZ, YOW.

Have I missed anything? How about a return to Far East Russia with the 73G?


User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
How about a return to Far East Russia with the 73G?

I've asked about this one before. They said not to rule it out, but not to expect it for at least another 5+ years if ever. It would not be done with the 73G, though, since those are being phased out. I will miss my little Barbi & Ken Dream Jet. 

I am still shocked that we do not currently serve YYZ. And I think you'd see YUL before you'd see YOW.

JetA



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 5):
Many are quick to say SLC will never happen because of DL, but AS is a strong, independent-minded carrier and will start routes as they see fit. They have had absolutely no qualms about serving MSP or ATL, and I am sure eventually they will tap the DTW market if they ever see the business case. AS does what AS wants, and lets be honest: their dance partners let them.

Very true, but I think SLC would be on the route map already if they weren't totally content to let DL provide the feed there. It's a pretty big hole in their western U.S. network and I'm inclined to believe that AS is just fine with DL holding down SLC...they still get the feed and have the ability to dedicate aircraft to other new routes (SAT and PHL, for instance!)

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 5):
I agree, GentFromAlaska, the chatter about BNA comes and goes frequently so it would not surprise me to see them eventually serve it.

BNA wouldn't surprise me sometime in the next few years...STL and MCI have shown that AS isn't afraid to take the fight to WN on the few transcons they serve out of SEA.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):
I expect CLT in the next year or two

Probably a good possibility there. If they put up a strong showing against US in PHL, I wouldn't be surprised to see CLT announced in that timeframe. Have to wonder how an AA-US merger might affect that though...

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 8):
I am still shocked that we do not currently serve YYZ. And I think you'd see YUL before you'd see YOW.

Given that AC has downgauged YYZ-SEA in recent years, I'm not terribly surprised that AS hasn't taken a crack at it. I would love to see YUL added, but I'm not holding my breath for it.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2986 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 8):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
How about a return to Far East Russia with the 73G?

I've asked about this one before. They said not to rule it out, but not to expect it for at least another 5+ years if ever. It would not be done with the 73G, though, since those are being phased out. I will miss my little Barbi & Ken Dream Jet.

I am still shocked that we do not currently serve YYZ. And I think you'd see YUL before you'd see YOW.

JetA

Ahh, so you must work at AS. I thought AS was keeping the 73Gs that are owned. Is the entire fleet being phased out? It does seem like the ideal plan for Russia.

I was thinking YOW because of the high-tech. AC even did SJC-YOW for a very short time before dropping SJC, due to the high tech connection. In other words, YOW is like RDU, SJU, AUS, SEA and BOS so to speak.

The Barbie Dream Jet was the AA F100.  

So what is next from you inside knot hole? Anything you can talk about publicly?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):

I think it would be good because isn't AA partnered with AS


User currently offlinecofannyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 11):
I think it would be good because isn't AA partnered with AS

???

AA is very much a partner with AS:

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/american.aspx

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/alaska.jsp

There are roughly 2750 flights per week operated by AS with an AA flight number and roughly 6700 AA flights per week with an AS flight number.


User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Is the entire fleet being phased out?

From what I understand. I know that they are exploring either a conversion of some -700s to a combi configuration to replace the -400QCs (which, as I understand, they want to retire along with the standard config -400s), or possibly ordering the already available -700C from Boeing. There are a lot of possibilities they are exploring for the future of the small communities, for which we provide an essential link to the outside world.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
It does seem like the ideal plan for Russia.

Along with the long rumored/wished for expansion to Central America (exLAX).

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
I was thinking YOW because of the high-tech. AC even did SJC-YOW for a very short time before dropping SJC, due to the high tech connection.

I didn't know this. That would make sense then, AS loves and caters to the techy market. I still miss the Nerd Bird route 
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
So what is next from you inside knot hole? Anything you can talk about publicly?

Haha, we know very little. AS holds their cards very close, especially when it comes to route expansion. We pretty much know when the public knows (I know some AS employees that didn't know about SAT until a good two weeks after it was announced. Some still don't know we are going to be starting SAN-MCO!).

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
Very true, but I think SLC would be on the route map already if they weren't totally content to let DL provide the feed there.

I think they just allow Delta to provide the feed because, as you said, our aircraft are better used elsewhere. I think when (or IF) the time comes that there is ANY slack in the fleet you might see AS metal on this route (and maybe QX from GEG or BOI).



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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

I also wonder if you will now see AS metal on the SEA-PDX route now that PDX is officially its own base, and no longer a co-domicile of SEA? Will be interesting to see if the pilots discuss it (base-to-base flying/scope) in their upcoming contract negotiations.   

JetA



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting cofannyc (Reply 12):

That's what I thought


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 13):
AS holds their cards very close, especially when it comes to route expansion. We pretty much know when the public knows.

Welcome to A.net, Jet'! Another AS voice is always a good thing.

(And a 76+ year old male stewardess -- worded as if you are still active? -- should be as good a source as any!)  

I look forward to what you will have to add here.

bb


User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Thanks for the welcome SAN!

I am usually just a passive reader, but I figure I might chime in with the rest of the AS chorus from time to time.  

Cheers,
JetA  



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User currently offlinePacificF27 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
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Now that Horizon is branded Alaska my wish/prediction is SCK! SEA-SCK-LAX just like the successful SEA-STS-LAX service.


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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):
I expect CLT in the next year or two

Of course you do.

Personal rant... it drives me crazy when people from these cities ALWAYS think their airport is the NEXT big thing.

Why, on earth, would Alaska go to Charlotte????

They don't serve popular tourist/convention cities like Nashville or New Orleans yet.... but they are going to go to Charlotte?

I am sure it's a great town and all.... but just because you live there doesn't mean its the next greatest thing for Alaska Airlines.

I'm just surprised we haven't heard the South Bend/Fort Wayne/Youngstown/Toledo crowd chime in yet about how they cannot believe Alaska doesn't fly there yet.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 19):

You obviously don't live in CLT or understand the city and its business ties


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Every city has its strengths and weaknesses. Clearly, AS decided that SAT would work for them. Some facts about San Antonio, if you are interested:

Population wise, over 1,000,000 people within the city limits, ranking in the top 10. The MSA is about 30th overall.
Toyota makes all their pickups in San Antonio, exclusively.
Their is a large IT presence including Microsoft, the headquarters of Rackspace, and a major NSA operation.
San Antonio is the jumping off point for exploration of the Eagle-Ford shale, which is now producing 500,000 barrels/day.
The U.S. Military has a major presence, including pilot training, and the largest military Medical Center.
The cost of living is very reasonable and the quality of life is excellent.
Very diversified economy which survived the great Recession quite well.

So maybe AS might know what they are doing after all!


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2648 times:

I think BNA is an excellent choice, but does the Northwest have enough ties to Nashville to warrant a service currently? We all know why LAX-BNA works. I think Branson would be flown too if tourism was the only thing that filled planes, maybe a CR7 can make Branson non-stop from SEA.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 22):
I think BNA is an excellent choice, but does the Northwest have enough ties to Nashville to warrant a service currently?

The AS armchair route planner in me would connect SEA-BNA-FLL The route connects the Alaska cruise season in SEA across the Summer and the Winter sailing season in the Caribbean at FLL across the Winter. Because SEA has surpassed YVR in cruise ship embarkations to Alaska strengthens my thought combined with the passport requirement to enter Canada. Although not a show stopper to my knowledge AS does not fly one-stop Transcons.

WN flew FLL-BNA-SEA; and kabashed it. WN currently flies BNA-SEA and SEA-BNA non-stop seasonally. The ten or so times I flew the BNA-SEA and SEA-BNA segment the loads were in the 90% with the FLL passengers. Although I had to claim and recheck my luggage in SEA from WN to AS the non-stop flight made up for it by not having to wait hours for a connection at DFW, ATL, ORD or MSP.



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 21):
Every city has its strengths and weaknesses. Clearly, AS decided that SAT would work for them. Some facts about San Antonio, if you are interested:

I've always believed that AS picked SAT as a way to add a second AUS flight - in fact I thought maybe that was discussed here - it seems like that maybe AS saw the potential for a second AUS flight, but by moving it to SAT instead, they can of course pull from a much larger population base combined.


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