As for the 748, it's nice to see they are doing so good but who would doubt about that, LH is a master of their business. Shame though they could not make the new business class product ready for the A380 already...
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10054 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 24136 times:
Looks great. Why doesnt an airline install it? That way they could put 4 - 8 more seats in F/C, as flat-beds there wouldnt be necessary anymore if the rich pax have proper beds directly behind (if other than with LH now the F/C would be on the upper deck).
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 1): For some reason I read B748i Aeroflot. That would be a sight to see.
Yeah, that would be great to see. Shame they opted for the comparatively boring 77W.
But there is indeed a typo in the article. The pictures are labelled with "Aerosoft"!
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 22969 times:
This has always been talked about, I believe even VS considered this back in the 90's (the idea of private bedrooms). If F class has a hard time selling, I would imagine these lofts would be even more so. The people who could afford these lofts probably can afford private aircraft travel.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28573 posts, RR: 84 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 19016 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 14): Why cant this space be used for a passenger cabin on commercial aircraft.
Passengers can be located there, but not during take-off and landing due to their being only a single evacuation path (down the stairs). As such, Boeing pitched that area as beds for premium cabin customers (allowing conventional seating to be used in the main cabin as opposed to suites) but I am guessing passengers preferred staying in their suites (if Boeing had polled me, I'd prefer a suite I can sleep in than a nice seat and having to go back and upstairs to sleep).
Because the 747 was certified with passengers in the nose and passengers on the upper deck when regulations allowed only a single-evacuation path from those areas, the 747 can continue to have passengers in those areas. (I do not know why the two emergency exit doors were added to the 747-300 - perhaps due to distance from the front rows to the aft stairs?).
The 747 was not certified with passengers in the aft fuselage, so I expect such a configuration cannot be grandfathered in and emergency exit doors and slides would need to be installed and that would require significant structural changes.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 14207 times:
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 21): Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 19):
The 787 crew rest has a takeoff rated seat in it and two exits,
The 787 has two optional crew rests, an OFCR (Overhead Flight Crew Rest) at the forward end and an OFAR (Overhead Flight Attendant Rest) at the back end.
The OFCR has two bunks and one takeoff rated seat. It has two exits; the stairway and an escape hatch under one of the bunks that comes down through the ceiling.
The OFAR has six bunks and no seat. It has two exits, of very similar design to the OFCR.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 21): Can someone sit in those seats during take off and landing?
There is just one seat, and yes. The basis idea is that you don't have to use a revenue seat to handle the flight crew; with ~18hour endurance, the 787 is capable of lots of missions where you need four flight crew, plus a potential examiner/check airman/other 5th person. There are four seats in the flight deck; having the takeoff rated seat in the OFCR means you don't need to block out a revenue seat.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 21): Or is it only the seats are rated but not the seat installation?
The seat and the installation are takeoff/landing rated. As far as I know, the 787 is the only Boeing that's doing this so far.
AAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 331 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11032 times:
Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 17): I really don't think they are a good idea. I think most people would get quite claustrophobic, considering there are no windows.
I think they are a great idea. More space created = more rev. And if You get claustrophobic, then just don't go up there.
Also in my opinion (but the opinion of someone that sleeps in the loft of the 747 every week) these bed's would be great to sleep in as they all have the head end forward and not aft. I always find I achieve a much better sleep when I have my head forward to the aircraft, as the aircraft flies slightly nose up, if I'm trying to sleep with my head aft facing I feel like I'm sleeping with my head up. I know it sounds strange but until you experience it it's weird.
So if I was paying for F, I'd rather a nice F seat (and on a commercial side an Airline could fit more in) and then go up there to bed. Plus, if fellow Pax want to wine and down in F/J it would not disturb the passenger that want's to have uninterrupted rest.
I read somewhere on here Boeing was looking at the idea of moving Galleys to the upper deck and installing cart lifts to make extra space for more revenue seating.
25 tonystan: Only people who can afford a 747-8 as a private jet! More money then sense. It was pushed at the airlines who have pretty much shunned both the cabin
26 readytotaxi: Cnn have picked up on it now. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/07/tr...business-beds/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 Nice to know that there is always someone out
27 bikerthai: If you are mega rich, would it make sense if your security detail gets good rest while traveling? If you are mega-rich it makes perfect sense to prov
28 Stitch: And if you are using your 747 as your lodgings while on the ground, you'll likely want your staff and security detail with you on the plane rather the
29 cosmofly: Articles says "Boeing said of the nine Aeroloft-modified BBJ aircrafts that have been sold to date, all are for destined for undisclosed head-of-stat
30 readytotaxi: None in the Euro Zone, that's for sure.
31 ghifty: What's the point of the Aeroloft? I'm sure a 747-8i has enough room for bedrooms on the main deck.. or upper deck. This is one of those rare gimmicks
32 Stitch: Yes it does, but by not using main deck space for them, it allows that space to be used for other functions. A 747 VIP is a flying mansion. And like
33 kanban: You can stick your chef or doctor up there .. so they're rested when needed
34 777way: Kuwait, Qatar for sure and possibly Saudi, one is definitely for Kingdom Holdings but cannot be included in the heads of state category.
35 lightsaber: I think the posters are onto something when discussing the Aeroloft as 'staff sleeping arrangements.' When I looked at the video, I wanted to find a c
36 bikerthai: The sky loft type configuration have been around for a long time with the 777 crown crew rest. Boeing have been trying to sell this as an option for
37 cosmofly: I believe the loft is between door 4 and 5 and in front of the crew rest. I suspect there may be a door from the loft area to the crew rest area as s
38 motorhussy: Wow, impressive! But can't imagine a commercial operator using the Aeroloft! in this day and age of in flight security issues. Having even first class
39 PC12Fan: It's valuable unused space. Why not use it?
40 bikerthai: The video seems to suggest that the skyloft, crew rest, and all the other types of crown suites can run all the way to the tail of the aircraft. Very
41 tdscanuck: Class-of-service alone would dictate that you'd never leave first class passengers without a flight attendant in easy reach. Tom.