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Will The EK-QF Agreement Affect Oneworld?  
User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

I wonder whether, wiith QF now partnering with EK on all European routes, we should perhaps expect bounce effects on Oneworld. I can imagine that BA may possibly be quite affected by this, and they are at the core of OW with QF, so... will everything be business as usual? Or will Qantas become less involved in the alliance? Would an exit or realignment be on the table?

This is of course pure speculation, but I would like to read your thoughts on the matter.

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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

How much does QF pay to be a OW member?
When does their membership expire?
What will they lose if they leave?

Personally I think they will wait and see how the EK deal pans out

LONG term I see these alliances becoming a thing of the past - ie. paying a 3rd party to do what you can do directly with other carriers



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12696 times:

Any chance of other OW airlines partnering with EK? Odds of EK joining OW?


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User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12694 times:

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 1):
LONG term I see these alliances becoming a thing of the past

lol arent they already?


User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12671 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):

Any chance of other OW airlines partnering with EK? Odds of EK joining OW?

From their announcement, it seems that QF states that EK is more valuable than OneWorld.... If I was OneWorld, I would throw QF out for bringing them in disrepute.


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):
ny chance of other OW airlines partnering with EK? Odds of EK joining OW?

No need

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 1):
LONG term I see these alliances becoming a thing of the past

lol arent they already?

BINGO!



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12636 times:

With the combined 7 daily LHR-DXB flights, QF is adding more competition to BA and taking pax away from their longhaul flights to feed EK at DXB as if EK did not have a big presence already in the UK. This EK/QF partnership is at the end harmful for BA and OneWorld as a whole. QF entry should be terminated.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12579 times:
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This shift will change the amount of QF hubbing at LHR. So BA might not be happy.

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 4):
If I was OneWorld, I would throw QF out for bringing them in disrepute.

Why? Which member of OW? I could see BA and CX wanting them out. But AA? Seriously, AA makes too much money off QF to want to rock that boat.

I see no reason for JAL to want QF out either nor South African. Taking away QF feed from those three would hurt them. In NorthAmerica, QF would have no issue finding a new partner (DL or UA would both bid for QF's business).

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
This EK/QF partnership is at the end harmful for BA and OneWorld as a whole.

Yes. But BA is not OneWorld.

Please think Globally. There are too many OW members who benefit from QF. BA won't be 100% cut off... And what would BA do if QF/AA formed their own alliance and QF left OneWorld? If QF left OneWorld, I would expect JAL to leave too.

What OneWorld needs to focus on is acquiring a strong (QR) mid-east partner ASAP! They also need to try and steal 9W from *A.

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Yes. But BA is not OneWorld.

Yes but this deal is bad of CX, JL, BA, AY and RJ...



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User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12514 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
South African

SAA are in Star, not Oneworld, aren't they?


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
Yes but this deal is bad of CX, JL, BA, AY and RJ...

Realistically, this deal isn't going to make much difference to CX, JL, AY, or RJ. There is virtually no connection between QF and either of AY or RJ today, so it will be business as usual there. There is already quite a bit of disdain between QF and CX, so that's just status quo.

The only major interest JL really has with QF is in regard to Australia-North/East Asia traffic, and that relationship will certainly continue. QF is not going to start routing those pax via DXB. There may be a handful of pax who choose an Australia-NRT-Europe routing who now choose to go via DXB, but I would imagine most people doing that instead of using the existing SIN/BKK/HKG gateways are likely making a stopover in Japan (or elsewhere in Asia) and not necessarily change their plans.

That leaves BA, who certainly will be impacted. However, we've seen no evidence that this will mean the termination of all codesharing between QF and BA, even. I would imagine BA will still codeshare on many QF services and vice versa.

Look at it this way - Qantas is breaking up with British Airways, but they'll still see each other around their mutual friends. People are acting like Qantas murdered British Airways and needs to be sent to the OneWorld electric chair.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12379 times:
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Quoting Markam (Reply 9):
SAA are in Star, not Oneworld, aren't they?

You are correct, my mistake. Hmmm... It seems as if QF was already partnering a bit with *A.  
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
Yes but this deal is bad of CX, JL, BA, AY and RJ...

CX and QF haven't 'played well' for years. In fact, I suspect the JQ HKG base was motivated by that.
JL should benefit staying aligned with QF.
BA... Ok, the most hurt by this. But then again, LHR is so impacted, will they really notice? EK, by being more competitive in their connections, took a bunch of the business earlier anyway.
AY is continuing their codeshare with QF. They'll have to move a flight time, but is that a reason to leave an alliance?
RJ... How exactly is the deal bad for them other than enhancing EK?

But you didn't mention the other 'big' member of OneWorld: AA. They would be deeply hurt if QF partnered with UA or DL. Possibly to the point of liquidation!

As for IB, they will vote as BA tells them.

If OneWorld kicks QF out of the alliance, what is the point of OneWorld? Seriously. Please answer that question before proposing QF should be out of the alliance. OneWorld should instead focus on gaining a strong mid-east partner ASAP.

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12370 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7):
Please think Globally. There are too many OW members who benefit from QF. BA won't be 100% cut off... And what would BA do if QF/AA formed their own alliance and QF left OneWorld? If QF left OneWorld, I would expect JAL to leave too.

This deal is bad for BA, CX, AB, MH. Neutral for AA, LA, JL, AY. But I can't count one oneworld carrier that substantially *benefits* from this deal ?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12266 times:

BA has been discussed.

How on earth is this bad for AB? I don't think the two carriers have even acknowledged the others existence, and any talk of QF flying to BER to make AB their Euro partner was just an Anet wet dream.

I similarly fail to see how CX will suffer. If anything they stand to pick up the QFFF traffic which doesn't want to go 10 abreast Y. Whereas previously a QFFF going from BNE to LHR would most likely go QF via SIN, if they find EK too cosy then CX is now their only option. QF do not route ANY pax on CX, so anybody flying CX to Europe booked specifically with CX meaning that nothing at all will changed.


Where CX may suffer is with talk of HKG becoming QF's Asia hub via JQHK (and anything else they have up their sleeve). Right now CX/KE own the Aus-China/East Asia market. However these plans are totally independent of the EK tie-up, and arguable CZ pose a bigger threat to CX in this market anyway



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12245 times:
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For OneWorld, the biggest impact is that it dilutes the value of being their mid-east partner. Kudos to QF for getting ahead of that game and selecting what was best for them. I remain curious if it will be QR or EY. OneWorld needs to act quickly now.

I wonder if BA will now fly all the way to SYD? If so, via SIN or DOH/AUH?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):

This deal is bad for BA, CX, AB, MH.

AB only has it bad as it makes the AB/EY partnership of less value due to competition.
MH? I'd like to know more on how they are hurt. I think they're going to be hurt more by JQ's expansion. Or are you referring to how QF will now be able to rationally focus on Asian expansion?

CX and QF haven't played well for years. In effect, CX is almost going their own way anyway. At least independent of QF.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
I can't count one oneworld carrier that substantially *benefits* from this deal ?

I didn't say any benefited from the EK/QF deal. My point is that QF leaving OneWorld it would hurt many of the partners. There is a difference.  

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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12173 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
But I can't count one oneworld carrier that substantially *benefits* from this deal ?
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
I didn't say any benefited from the EK/QF deal. My point is that QF leaving OneWorld it would hurt many of the partners. There is a difference.

Exactly. Should you kick QF out of OneWorld because they made a deal that doesn't specifically benefit any of its existing partners? How would OneWorld members benefit from kicking QF out of the alliance? Most of them would not, and several would certainly be hurt by it.

Keep in mind that Australia's unique position geographically makes life hard for QF, but the fact that they are the largest player in the region makes them very desirable to any alliance.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11906 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11):
If OneWorld kicks QF out of the alliance, what is the point of OneWorld? Seriously. Please answer that question before proposing QF should be out of the alliance. OneWorld should instead focus on gaining a strong mid-east partner ASAP

Agree 100%. If BA and the rest of OW want to really succeed then they should focus on wooing EK into the alliance, and find a way to make global alliances more attractive, meaningful.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
MH? I'd like to know more on how they are hurt. I think they're going to be hurt more by JQ's expansion. Or are you referring to how QF will now be able to rationally focus on Asian expansion?

There was talk of having BA and QF both joining MH's hub at KUL and making it a scissor hub for all parties involved. Guess that plan is definitely going nowhere.


User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11720 times:

For me, its the beginning of the end of QF membership in OneWorld. I'm still quite appalled over this tie-up. It's a jump in the own digged grave, it's simply the worst move, not only for QF, also for other european carriers, including Lufthansa.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11645 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 10):
There is virtually no connection between QF and either of AY or RJ today

I believe AY and QF funnel each other passengers at the Asian airports served by both. I have seen AY ads on printed media in the past where they advertise their flights to Asian cities and their QF codeshare.

Quoting steex (Reply 10):
Look at it this way - Qantas is breaking up with British Airways, but they'll still see each other around their mutual friends. People are acting like Qantas murdered British Airways and needs to be sent to the OneWorld electric chair.

I think it is a very good way to look at it.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
How on earth is this bad for AB?

Maybe the a.netter who made that claim was thinking of the AB-EY connection? I don't know. I agree this should be mostly neutral for AB. AB and QF do not codeshare, do they?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
I remain curious if it will be QR or EY. OneWorld needs to act quickly now.

I believe QR has entered into agreements with AA and BA. Maybe them?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 17):
There was talk of having BA and QF both joining MH's hub at KUL and making it a scissor hub for all parties involved. Guess that plan is definitely going nowhere.

I agree. It does not seem that this plan is going anywhere now. However, BA can rely on its fellow oneworld member MH to fly its passengers to MEL, ADL, PER and BNE, right?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 18):
For me, its the beginning of the end of QF membership in OneWorld.

Ok, Ill bite. What will QF do now? Be the Alaska Airlines of the South Pacific?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
I believe QR has entered into agreements with AA and BA. Maybe them?

They havent yet made anything official. I know BA and QR have been talking. AA has a codeshare with EY.



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11476 times:
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Honestly though, hasn't QF already become more of a regional partner in OW anyway?

QF without being able to codeshare on most of Jetstar is similar to what IT would have been in India for OW. Their longhaul network, except for the Americas, is fairly useless for any significant connections to OW partners (save for the "timed" flights with BA out of SIN).


User currently offlinebastar1 From UK - England, joined Dec 2011, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11435 times:

It would cost QF $25m to leave oneworld so that is hardly imminent.

The need for airlines to sort out their relations with Middle East carriers may well dilute alliance affiliation. If QF and EK tie up and then QR join oneworld life is going to start getting very messy for the alliances!

[Edited 2012-09-06 13:04:27]

User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 941 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
Quoting steex (Reply 10):
There is virtually no connection between QF and either of AY or RJ today

There sure are connections between AY and QF, codeshares via SIN and BKK:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
I believe AY and QF funnel each other passengers at the Asian airports served by both. I have seen AY ads on printed media in the past where they advertise their flights to Asian cities and their QF codeshare.


AY said they are happily surprised how the codeshare has worked out at SIN especially.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11240 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 19):
I believe QR has entered into agreements with AA and BA. Maybe them?

Maybe. But like 9W, QR seems to be seeking a good deal from *A. However, unlike 9W, I haven't seen any code share offer from LH. So you are probably right.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 21):
QF without being able to codeshare on most of Jetstar

Are they allowed to codeshare with EK or is it a prohibition on any code share?

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25 steex : Yes, but in the grand scheme of things, that's not major factor considering that QF has also said they are keeping their codeshares with AY (and QF w
26 jfk777 : Oneworld helps QF in the USA with AA, LAN in South America and QF will still fly to London and transfer soem traffic to BA. SAA is in the Star allian
27 RyanairGuru : Precisely. All the talk of "QF have given OW the finger" is rediculous. All that they have indicated is that Emirates is more valuable as a partner t
28 Post contains images bastew : On the grand scheme of things QF is pretty much an insignificant part of Oneworld anyway. Australia is an extremely marginal market for most of the ca
29 SCL767 : LAN has also stated that SYD will become increasingly important to its operations in the future. LAN plans to increase capacity on the SCL-AKL-SYD ro
30 Post contains links Sydscott : There is a really interesting article on CAPA analysing this exact question;
31 Sydscott : Let me try that link again! centreforaviation.com/analysis/oneworlds-ba-and-qantas-may-shake-up-global-alliances-irreversibly-as-emirates-and-qatar-en
32 tullamarine : Global alliances are a bit of a joke and are probably doomed. Originally they were envisaged to create global FF schemes (didn't happen), alliance wid
33 Post contains links Aisak : Let's add gas to the fire... Have you noticed the photo on the common website were both gold cards are displayed? Frequent flyer benefits Where is the
34 Post contains images HELyes : I didn't say anything about harm for AY, I just commented on the post "There is virtually no connection between QF and AY". Hopefully their codeshare
35 lightsaber : The speeches from QF's CEO noted they were keeping the partnership with SA. Well, keeping JNB as a partners gateway hub... It would take a common har
36 tullamarine : It never happened for two main reasons: - Some airlines had an advantage in their product and it was not in their interest to help another airline eq
37 Post contains links RyanairGuru : I'm sure you're just reading too much into that. It's an old frequent flyer card any way, they changed the design a couple of years back and they now
38 EK413 : What would you like QF to state that the alliance between QF & EK isn't valuable??? How is this adding more competition to BA...??? BA can alloca
39 allrite : There is still value for OneWorld and Qantas in maintaining the partnership. For starters, there is Qantas' domestic services - including all those de
40 Ken777 : If things deteriorate on the oneworld side AA could start sending planes down to SYD and (maybe) MEL using both the 787 and the new777s. It would be a
41 RyanairGuru : Que? Even if the pilots would allow it, where would they get the aircraft from? From my understanding the new frames coming in are already tied up. I
42 Post contains images lightsaber : Downwardly mobile if you please. When the start the former, there will be less of the later... So I stand by my statement that there will be less hub
43 Sydscott : Even if it were terminated, does anyone really think that AA and LAN wouldn't keep the current arrangements they have with QF? I mean AA is onto an a
44 EK413 : Why is everyone making assumptions that QF will be kicked out of OW, OW will not benefit from the alliance between QF & EK...? The markets change
45 SCL767 : Between April and June, Qantas carried 21,155 pax on the SYD-SCL route, compared to 14,565 pax during the same period last year on the SYD-EZE route.
46 AirlineCritic : I have a very basic question that I have not seen answered. Now that QF and EK partner up, does that mean there will be a QF codeshare flight number o
47 EK413 : Yes... QF to carry EK flight number vice versa for EK... EK413
48 Post contains links AirlineCritic : And trying to answer my own question, I went to http://www.qantasandemirates.com/pages.html#faq and found this: But only Qantas FF? Or also other OW m
49 Quokkas : ^^^^^ As you have discovered, in the FAQ there is no mention of this benefit extending to other OW partner reward programmes. As the entire arrangemen
50 idjim319 : Qantas has signaled a big change of plans. Emirates will take down some oneworld airlines if they're not careful -- BA especially is at serious risk f
51 kiwiandrew : OW members should continue to earn points on QF operated and coded flights. They should not expect to earn on QF codeshare flights operated by EK as
52 Sydscott : Exactly. Both parties are benefiting so alliance or no alliance, the arrangement is a good one and will stay. The fact is that BA still needs a frien
53 SCL767 : This is the mindset at LATAM. For example, LAN has close relations with OW partners AA, CX, IB, JL, and QF; but is considering making TAM an unaligne
54 5MillionMiler : Survival move and finally a good strategy for Qantas. Nice win for Emirates too, as it gets Australian feed and makes it difficult for QR to get into
55 Sydscott : Without being crude, TAM has more to gain as a codeshare whore than probably any other South American Airline. And both Star and Skyteam, along with
56 Post contains links and images Markam : As I mentioned in a previous thread (now locked), according to an informal source in Qatar, which I cannot reveal but which has been very reliable in
57 Jetstar315 : I think we all need to remember: a. QF has a great new liaison with JL through their joint operation of Jetstar Japan - so nothing will happen to upse
58 toobz : I'm sure he was referring to the Pilots Union. They have a contract that prohibits them from flying flights over a certain range, without their buy i
59 LHRFlyer : Not true. BA only has one flight a day, a tag on from SIN, to Australia. This is down from three flights a day a few years ago. The Europe-Australia
60 Bill142 : The whole things going to unravel. Everyones going to jump into Star and Skyteam. I'd chuck CX out for being uncooperative and making oneworld miss ou
61 FlyCaledonian : Whilst UK-Australia might be a largeish market is it high-yielding? How will a non-stop Australia-UK flight help things? If operated by BA, they'd on
62 aviasian : Does anyone know what will happen to all the shared manpower and facilities (reservation, marketing, sales, traffic offices, airport lounges) around t
63 Quokkas : Any talk of a break up of OW or chucking members out may be premature. QF isn't the first to "jump into bed with the enemy" (nor will it likely be the
64 Post contains images vhqpa : Those people who acting like Qantas just abducted BA's first born son and should be kicked out of oneworld need to get real and acknowledge that Qanta
65 lightsaber : Wow that's specific! As I posted before, OneWorld needs a mideast and an Indian partner. At least one of the two missing slots is being filled. I hav
66 9MMPD : Interesting to point out that A332 VH-EBL has been in standard colours for a while and 744 VH-OJU is in the boxing Kangaroo livery leaving QF with no
67 qf002 : VH-OEF (a 744ER) is now in Oneworld colours. To be fair to you though, she was only repainted last week.
68 Post contains images n729pa : Are you going to have a second profile? QF3113 or something? Let's see what's in the detail, because as a Qantas Frequent Flyer, I earn points on AZ
69 kiwiandrew : I am not quite sure what your point is here? You seem be to responding as a QF frequent flyer, but the question I was responding to was not about QF
70 Post contains images Markam : Well, my source has been very reliable in the past, but so far this is just a rumor, even if a very specific one, so I would not treat it as a given
71 RyanairGuru : If you were flying from the UK to Australia on QF and were (say) a BA FF you would receive Aveos on a QF operated flight, but if you were on an EK op
72 lightsaber : I'm taking your source seriously. It is just a shift from what I expected. But the rumor is plausible. Ditto. But *A has to extend the offer. Every y
73 EK413 : Very well said... QF have been a major player in OW and not mention cooperative... As for CX well if anything their to blame for QF exploring other a
74 Post contains images EK413 : I missed your post... I highly doubt it even "if" and that's a big "if" QFs OW membership was terminated I doubt LA, AA, BA (just to name 3 main key
75 Lufthansa : The nature of this alliance... makes me suspect this will be different from the past codeshares with AF/AZ etc. My guess, and hope, is that these fli
76 Post contains images EK413 : Can you please provide an recommended QF code so that I can get status credits EK413
77 Post contains images Markam : Sure, I meant to say that ALTHOUGH my source has been very reliable in the past, so far this is obviously just a rumor.
78 RyanairGuru : I think that it's virtually compulsory for QF to offer status ctredits on EK otherwise people will be off to CX I wish more people would realise this
79 Lufthansa : god i just read my earlier post you can tell i hadn't had my morning coffee yet... and yes you are absolutely correct. If cathay "played ball" years
80 Quokkas : In the FAQ published it would appear that EK Skywards members will only earn air miles on domestic sectors that are part of an international journey.
81 EK413 : And funny enough from the beginning QF have been seen as the devil by swithing sides and forming an alliance with EK... You just need to take a look
82 Markam : Today is already September 12th, and there are no news about QR joining Oneworld whatsoever, so I will have to stand corrected. According to my sourc
83 jfk777 : Jetstar Hong Kong should have been with Cathay and not China Eastern.
84 iFlyLOTs : Cathay didn't want it. It competes with Dragonair.
85 Post contains links aussie747 : Much has been said on QF-EK and one world . But on the other side of the pond AA and EK are also in partnership talks as well. Does this mean EK are l
86 EK413 : This could be very interesting and I was matter of fact considering raising this question. If EK sign an agreement with AA this would cover more or l
87 Lufthansa : Also EK might serve some some destinations in the USA via Europe again. Remember their Hamburg New York flight? I could see some markets were AA does
88 EK413 : I certainly do and EK have dropped the route from memory... If this route was to be reinstated AA could provide feed on the JFK-HAM leg & codesha
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