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User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

Hi

As we all know on the 9th September 2012 an airline from the UK will shut down   . Hundreds of staff will be made jobless and the infamous WW logo will disappear along with the B733's and B735's. There first flight was from East Midlands to Malaga on the 22nd March 2002, and ten years later the very last flight ever of BmiBaby will be from Malaga to East Midlands on the 9th September.

I for one will miss BmiBaby as they used to fly from BFS/BHD to CWL which was convenient for my self and family. Then it was down to a seasonal service and eventually the route was closed. the crew was friendly and the service was unforgettable.

Although it was a loss making airline from the start along with parents BMI, I am amazed they have made it this far, I loved the livery and in the end tried to paint each tail into a special action made by "tiny" (the mascot).
With a small 737 fleet they have covered 40 airports all over the UK and Europe. I always liked there cheap prices and were always helpful.

British Aviation will have lost another member and I do feel for the staff and in this current climate, it will be harder to find employment.

The last fights are .....
WW5967 EMA 1535 ALC 1920 - WW5968 ALC 1955 EMA 2145
WW5329 EMA 1605 AGP 2005 - WW5330 AGP 2045 EMA 2245
WW5911 EMA 1630 VCE 1950 - WW5912 VCE 2035 EMA 2200
WW5429 EMA 1630 PMI 2005 - WW5430 PMI 2040 EMA 2225
(Will any one be flying on one of the last flights?)


WW are another casualty in the long line of the closures of airlines all over the globe during these hard economic times

Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bmibaby

A video's I took of my last BmiBaby last July:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6RkzN746mY&feature=plcp

I wish everyone at Bmi and BmiBaby good luck for the future, you have been a pleasure to fly with! And thank you for reading    

Dublinspotter  

[Edited 2012-09-06 09:55:45]


Dublinspotter :)
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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8786 times:

Sad to see this airline close. It was my first LCC experience and I used them at that time around 2003 on the GVA-EMA-GVA route. They were nice and the experience far above U2 or FR.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

It was always going to happen I feel, but I can't help but feel a tinge of sadness about it.

I've often travelled with WW on routes where BE were simply overpriced and expensive. The aircraft were always clean and tidy I found, and the staff were always smiling. Also WW gave me my first all-female crew which is always a plus.
They'll be missed.



Flown on: A306 A319/20/21 A332 B732/3/4/5/7/8 B742/4 B752 B762/3 B772/W C152 E195 F70/100 MD-82 Q400
User currently offlineDublinspotter From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

HI

They surely will be missed!  
Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Sad to see this airline close. It was my first LCC experience and I used them at that time around 2003 on the GVA-EMA-GVA route. They were nice and the experience far above U2 or FR.

I agree, a lot better than FR definitely, but sure with FR you get a flight and a seat, I loved the wee mascot "Tiny" it will be sad to see another company and airline close.  

I have flown BmiBaby countless times but gradually reduced flying them because Ryanair were offering a cheaper and better timings to Bristol. The most recent my plane was called "Tiny life" G-TOYI, a B737-300.

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 2):
It was always going to happen I feel, but I can't help but feel a tinge of sadness about it.
I've often travelled with WW on routes where BE were simply overpriced and expensive. The aircraft were always clean and tidy I found, and the staff were always smiling. Also WW gave me my first all-female crew which is always a plus.
They'll be missed.

When we flew them last year I found the cabin clean and tidy, in a way also it felt a little retro, after getting home I found out that particular plane flew for Air Vanuatu in the late nineties, Also last year my flight for a first had a female captain.

Dublinspotter  



Dublinspotter :)
User currently offlinenema From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Quoting Dublinspotter (Thread starter):
Hundreds of staff will be made jobless

Almost as soon as it was announced that BMiBaby would cease operations, other airlines stepped in at EMA creating new jobs. Jet2 have become established there, Monarch are moving in and i expect expansion will follow. Fly-be have also moved in and taken up some routes and again, i am sure they will expand.

In addition to these new airlines moving into EMA and creating new positions, BMiBaby staff have been invited to apply for posts with British Airways.

BmiBaby was my first choice LCC, their staff were simply great. I loved their 733's and i found their website straight forward and a pleasure for its simplicity to use.

I wish all BMiBaby staff good luck for the future, thanks for looking after us over the years, you have all been a credit to your company.



There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

While this is sad, it is nice to see an airline being shut-down in a controlled manor IE not stranding passengers and leaving employees unpaid like most airlines seem to do when they end operations.


Air New Zealand; first to fly the Boeing 787-9. ZK-NZE, NZ103 AKL-SYD, 2014/08/09. I was 83rd to board.
User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

I was always thought that was one the cleverest airline names around. RIP.

User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

No bmibaby staff have been offered jobs, only interviews in January with no guarantee of a job, BA has been less than considerate with the airline and it's staff.


Don't just travel, travel with a smile. . .
User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 7):
BA has been less than considerate with the airline and it's staff.

Thankfully there are other expanding airlines, and hopefully opportunities at EMA, BHX and MAN.

I used bmibaby to AGP, PRG and AMS (I think) during its tenure at Manchester, and also bmi to IAD, EDI and LHR. The demise of this great airline group is regrettable to say the least.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

If I'm honest I never liked the product and had some bad experiences and never flew them after. Still it's sad to see any carrier go down and more importantly it's staff. I hope they all get new jobs with other Airlines or whatever they wish to do in future.

User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Its the staff I empathise with, MON and LS have started new routes but any positions that will be created will be for the short term seasonal, BE has not recruited yet, the new routes are nowhere near the capacity that WW offered. BA are publicly stating they have offered staff jobs and all are doing all they can but in reality they have treated the airline and its staff with contempt, even asking staff who have been made redundant to pay for a leaving party! There is no doubt in mind that if VS would have bought BD this would be a different story!


Don't just travel, travel with a smile. . .
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 10):
There is no doubt in mind that if VS would have bought BD this would be a different story!

I don't think so.

VS would have delt with WW in exactly the same way, even LH looked to be wanting rid several tomes before they sold BD!

Even VS MAN flights won't actually be proper VS operated services so what chance does WW have.


User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 11):

Maybe, but BA categorically said that all it was interested in was slots, the VS bid would have been better for BD and its staff, I believe that VS would have at least tried to save WW even if only to prevent negative PR for thr short term. I suggest you check your facts about the VS MAN service as well, they have said that they are committed to short haul and plan to keep the MAN route even in they dont get the EDI and ABZ slots. The ironic thing for LH was that they went straight for the BA bid as it was much higher in value than the VS one, yet had to give an £80m discount as they failed to sell baby and regional as well as giving one world a virtual monopoly on LHR, not very clever strategically on LH's part!

TUIflyer



Don't just travel, travel with a smile. . .
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 12):
I believe that VS would have at least tried to save WW

I disagree. LH tried for twelve months to sell Baby, and failed. The company was not viable, nor had any signs of future viability. otherwise someone else would have bought it. LH were willing to pay a company to take WW from them. LH had to pay BA to take WW to cover the costs of an orderly wind-down.

The negative PR for BA over the closure of WW is small.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6562 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 7):
BA has been less than considerate with the airline and it's staff.

Exactly what would you want IAG (the company that bought BMI not BA.) to do with an airline that it did not want? LH failed to sell BMIBaby as no other airline or investor would go near it. Once the BMI group was bought and IAG made the decision to integrate BMI mainline, it was clear that if BMIBaby and BMI Regional couldn't be sold, then they would be closed. Regional was later sold, but Baby wasn't.

As for the staff. BA has just spent many years cutting staff numbers and streamlining it's organisation. There is no way that BA would have kept employees just for the sake of it. With mainline, BA has kept on large numbers of staff in various areas and indeed, many of the non-operational staff have found roles in other areas of BA. LHR based mainline flight and cabin crew are being taken into BA and other staff have been given various opportunities to apply for roles in BA. There is no way that BA could guarantee everyone associated with BMI continued employment.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12593 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

I flew with WW on numerous occasions over the last decade and cannot remember being disappointed with them on any occasion; their staff were always nice, their on board food/drink offerings fine, they were reliable, reasonably punctual and good value; what more can one ask of a low cost airline?

I do wish all their staff well for the future.

Now that WW has gone, BE will be taking over their one remaining route from JER (from EMA) and of course, that means prices shooting sky high (as happened on MAN) and pax numbers moving in the opposite direction. I wish U2 had taken over the EMA route and that they'd come onto the JER-MAN route; a Dash 8 doesn't really cut it as a low cost operator's aircraft.


User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 14):

Try and turn the airline around, and then shut it down if they couldn't make it work, I understand that BA cannot employ staff for the sake of it but they could done a lot more to accommodate WW staff. BA actually said that WW staff could apply for LGW beach fleet but then when many went to apply changed their minds over and over again. The annoying thing is that while BA were making BD crew redundant at other bases as well as WW staff, they were continuing to recruit from their mixed fleet holding pool!



Don't just travel, travel with a smile. . .
User currently offlineEmalad From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

I have flown WW many times and always found them to be the best of the bunch. I will certainly miss them at EMA  I have a friend who is cabin crew and will be on one of the last flights today. Does anyone know what is happening to the 737s?

User currently offlinecallumm92 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6230 times:

Quoting Emalad (Reply 17):
Does anyone know what is happening to the 737s?

I think they're being ferried to Norwich and Lasham tomorrow. I don't know if they have new homes yet - apparently BA did consider sending them for LGW ops, but decided against it in the end.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 16):
Try and turn the airline around, and then shut it down if they couldn't make it work, I understand that BA cannot employ staff for the sake of it but they could done a lot more to accommodate WW staff. BA actually said that WW staff could apply for LGW beach fleet but then when many went to apply changed their minds over and over again. The annoying thing is that while BA were making BD crew redundant at other bases as well as WW staff, they were continuing to recruit from their mixed fleet holding pool!

Why spend money trying to turn around an airline that you don't want and doesn't fit into your business model? Even worse, spend money on it to later shut it down?? If that had happen, many on here would rightly then turn and complain about BA having wasted money. And quite frankly, the shareholders would never accept it.

As for applying to LGW, this could only happen if LGW has vacancies. At present LGW is undergoing massive change, so expecting to just be gifted into LGW was unrealistic. Many BA staff at LGW also face uncertain futures.

As for mixed fleet, there are strict recruitment criteria and BA wouldn't just allow others to just be moved into mixed fleet without going through that process. Anyone, WW staff included, are welcomed to apply for mixed fleet when vacancies arise. The holding pool is there for a reason.....they have been through the recruitment and been successful, pending available vacancies.

BA is a business that is run for profit. It is not a charity. Understandably, it isn't nice when there are jobs are lost, but no matter what happened, there were always going to be some jobs that would go. A lot more jobs have been secured by IAGs purchase of BMI than if LH had just shut the company down. I won't speculate as to what VS would have done, as none of us know. However, if VS was serious about BMI then they would have made a serious and viable offer to LH, which they didn't.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Quoting TUIflyer (Reply 12):
the VS bid would have been better for BD and its staff, I believe that VS would have at least tried to save WW

Really? I beg to differ. I bet most BD staff take the view they are very lucky to have jobs and won't be picky over who bought then other than the fact BA have given them a very generous integration package.

WW has been doomed for years as others have previously said and LH knew no buyer for BD would want baby and hence attempted to offload it. That's the reality I'm afraid.


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2181 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Farewell bmibaby, all the best to all staff and good luck for the future!

User currently offlineTUIflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 19):

BA could have turned it around or improved WW's fortunes and found a buyer. Apparently there were several buyers interested in WW at one stage but LH wouldnt sign a deal. And the point I am making if you actually read my post correctly is that BA messed WW staff around and said they could apply for LGW then changed their minds several times. I also find your comments about BA's mixed fleet criteria insulting, last time I checked MF requirement were no different to anyother airlines. The fact is that most WW crew probably wouldnt have gone for LGW or mixed fleet anyway because of the commute, but it would have been nice for BA to at least offer MF, one they would have got experienced crew (many of
whom have worked at BD before) and second they could have saved on some redundancy payouts.

Quoting BA174 (Reply 20):

I'm sure BD staff at MAN, BHD, DUB etc would disagree, they werent even offered LHR.

The fact that BA received £80m discount to shut down WW, yet refused to even give staff a leaving do as a thank you sums it up, there is no wonder that BA is indeed a very divided airline with many disillusioned staff who only remain because of their generous contracts.



Don't just travel, travel with a smile. . .
User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

I had forgotten that today was bmibaby's last flight from Jersey but I happened to be passing the Airport to see the last flight to East Midlands take-off, which I am pleased I saw.

For all the airline's problems, it has been good for Jersey and was the Island's first proper low-cost airline when flights were launched back in 2002. Of course, Jersey had a very long relationship with British Midland going back many years so it is the end of an era in the Island's aviation history.

Jersey in the last 10 years has been served by bmibaby from East Midlands, Manchester, Cardiff, Bournemouth, Durham-Tees and Birmingham. Some of these routes lasted longer than others - Bournemouth only a matter of months. But East Midlands was always a popular route, and it is a pity that we are now left with Flybe.

Don't get me wrong, it is good to see another airline taking up the route. But as Kaitak mentioned, Flybe is not what this route needs; it can sustain a much greater capacity/frequency, and prices will simply go up and passenger numbers will go down. It is the same with Manchester. Easyjet/Jet2 would be more than welcome.


User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5723 times:

I went up to EMA today to witness the passing of WW from the crash gate next to the A453: it looked like business as usual as G-TOYJ arrived from ALC followed shortly by G-TOYM from CTA whilst G-TOYK departed for JER. I had my camera with me and snapped some other activity, but came away without any shots of WW aircraft!

Quoting Emalad (Reply 17):
I have flown WW many times and always found them to be the best of the bunch. I will certainly miss them at EMA 

Agreed, I enjoyed all my flights with WW - countless trips to NCE, AMS, CDG, ORK, EDI and GLA but I don't ever recall a full flight and if my experience is anything to go by, it's no real surprise that the end has come to pass!

Good luck to all WW staff.



Forget A vs B - Give me E or BAe any day of the week!
25 Post contains images eurowings : Goodbye WW. East Midlands is really the true home of British Midland, so I think the demise of bmi's main operation there is a significant moment. Bri
26 EZYAirbus : G-TOYK just south of Leicester now on its final descent into EMA Sad to see them go
27 BA777 : It appears the final AGP-EMA has landed. Farewell.
28 tonystan : Touche!
29 Eurohub : G-TOYJ departed EMA at 1230 local towards the west and performed a clockwise circuit to do a low pass over the field before turning towards the south
30 CV580Freak : G-TOYG is also on it's way to Lasham. That's five so far this morning.
31 CV580Freak : TOYM as well on it's way, looks like the whole fleet will be parked at Lasham by tonight.
32 bmibaby737 : This was the expected movements for today, as of yesterday: ex East Midlands (Local times) G-TOYK 1120 to Lasham G-TOYF 1140 to Lasham G-BVKB 1150 to
33 sam1987 : I gather the £80m was given to IAG to cover the shut down costs. WW was operated as its own company right until the end, so their own management sho
34 MSR777 : Sad to see them go. I thought that the 'baby branding' was fresh and different. Hope the staff can get sorted in the not too distant future.
35 FlyCaledonian : BA didn't receive a £80 million discount - IAG did. It is IAG that has decided to shut WW down. It is IAG that sold off bmi regional. It is IAG that
36 Post contains links YVRLTN : I happened to drive by NWI a couple of weeks ago and saw this - excuse the heat haze, but sorry to see. http://www.flickr.com/photos/23870098@N04/801
37 nema : Wow, what a sad sight this is, thanks for posting though. I hope someone with that area of knowledge comes back on this, would be nice to think these
38 VV701 : Of course BD management was considerate to those it had employed, forcing the sale of the airline along with all of its staff's jobs to Lufthansa Gro
39 TUIflyer : BA management was at Castle Donnington calling the shots; surely BA/IAG management would be involved in the closing down to make sure it was done as
40 skipness1E : That's overly emotive, in cold business terms it wasn't worth the effort to try and turn it round, squeezed as it was between Ryanair and easyJet but
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