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LH Cabin Crew On Strike Friday 7th September  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
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Hello everybody,

I am starting this thread as there is a lot to discuss and in a couple of ours a 24 hour strike starts of the LH Cabin Crew.

Friday 7th September from 00:00 to 23:59 they are on strike. Many, MANY flights are cancelled already.

More information on lufthansa.com.


Please keep the discussion civilized and on topic!!

Thanks.

wilco737
  


It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

What percentage of flight attendants are UFO members?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6526 times:
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Quoting LOWS (Reply 1):
What percentage of flight attendants are UFO members?

I read in the french press that LH has 18000 cabin crew members and 12000 of them are UFO members... so in a nutshell, a lot !



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User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Not again.... Unions are nuts to go on strike over pay in the middle of the worst economic crisis ever. besides that the strike hurts the fragile situation overall in the country and beyond.

Why cant people who are not happy with what is in their contract( why did they accept it in the first place ) just quit and find something else instead of having a dispute with their employer but targeting the general public instead.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Why cant people who are not happy with what is in their contract( why did they accept it in the first place ) just quit and find something else instead of having a dispute with their employer but targeting the general public instead.

Because that makes too much sense. It's just like someone buying a house near and airport then complaining about airplane noise and demanding a night curfew 


User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Here's the big list of cancelled flights:

http://tinyurl.com/cbbh5f3

It seems like there will be no Lufthansa plane over the Atlantic tonight.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6263 times:
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Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):
It seems like there will be no Lufthansa plane over the Atlantic tonight.

There will be. My flight is not cancelled: LH 498 MEX-FRA 

But for sure not many.

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Why cant people who are not happy with what is in their contract( why did they accept it in the first place ) just quit and find something else instead of having a dispute with their employer but targeting the general public instead.

While this doesn't mean I endorse the strikes, the mindset that you present is dangerous and favors employers rights over employee's. For example, if my employer wasn't increasing my pay with inflation I would be damn happy to have a union protecting me.

You can't expect everyone who has a problem with pay and conditions in a job to quit - then nobody would be left in employment! These people want to keep their jobs but don't want to get shafted for doing so. Again, I'm not saying necessarily that the FA's in *this* case are justified but the sentiment you displayed is fairly heartless and naive.



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlineA318 From Bahamas, joined Jan 2008, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

How does it work for the flight attendants that were due to work a flight back to their base from a layover city? For example, most of the flights from North America to Germany are canceled tonight. What are those crews going to do? Is LH going to pay to extend their hotel stay despite the fact that the flight attendants chose to go on strike?


Welcome aboard!
User currently offlinegrain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

I hope this doesnt affect Sunday the 9th as im flying ORD - MUC

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6149 times:
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Quoting A318 (Reply 8):
How does it work for the flight attendants that were due to work a flight back to their base from a layover city?

If the flight is cancelled the crew stays where they are.

Quoting A318 (Reply 8):
Is LH going to pay to extend their hotel stay despite the fact that the flight attendants chose to go on strike?

Strike is only in Germany, so no strike outside of Germany. Once the airplane arrives in JFK, the crew flies back to FRA, strike or not.

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

I was on an LH flt from DTW to FRA the other day and the FA said that "one" of the reasons for the strike was that LH wanted the FA's to work TWO more hours per month. How can you support such terrible working conditions.  

User currently offlineStratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Any word on next possible strike dates after today? I'm scheduled on LH FRA-BOS on the 10th.

Dave


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Not again.... Unions are nuts to go on strike over pay in the middle of the worst economic crisis ever. besides that the strike hurts the fragile situation overall in the country and beyond.

Yeah I think unions should learn that strikes do nothing to solve the issues....in fact, it makes the issue more of an issue, because the airline (or company in general) LOSES money, money that the unions want them to spend..... nice logic there, huh   

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):
There will be. My flight is not cancelled: LH 498 MEX-FRA

safe flight Wilco  
Quoting Stratacruiser (Reply 12):
Any word on next possible strike dates after today? I'm scheduled on LH FRA-BOS on the 10th.

I'm a bit outta the loop, what are they all nuts for ?



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8941 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 3):
Why cant people who are not happy with what is in their contract( why did they accept it in the first place ) just quit and find something else instead of having a dispute with their employer but targeting the general public instead.

They are stuck with that company because of the seniority system. Technically they are not stuck, but the seniority system makes it very, very unattractive the prospect of quitting to go to another employer. This self-imposed switching barrier is partly why I don't like the system and would like to see it gone.

Also, employers are very well aware that their employees are "stuck" with them. That puts them at a disadvantage in the bargaining table from the very start of negotiations.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 7):
favors employers rights over employee's

Both employers and employees are human beings and should have the exact same rights.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 7):
You can't expect everyone who has a problem with pay and conditions in a job to quit - then nobody would be left in employment!

They can quit and go work for a competitor or in another industry if the employer fails to offer an attractive enough deal. In that situation, the employer has to sweeten the deal or go out of business. This happens with almost every job out there.



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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

In this situation, are the FA's getting paid for their strike? If so, who pays them? If not, would these work stoppages negate any raise they might get in the long run?

I had heard a rumor that the wanting a wage increase was only secondary to the fact they do not want contract cabin crew if a strike prevails. Could this be true?

I just cannot fathom a strike being the only logical answer to not getting your way. If I want my company to survive in the long haul, I would suspend my desire for a wage increase in the interm.

I feel horrible that passengers are being held hostage over this non-sense striking action.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12860 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
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Where does EK send the thank you gift basket?   

Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):

Here's the big list of cancelled flights:

 
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
safe flight Wilco

I second that. I hope you make it to your final destination.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I'm a bit outta the loop, what are they all nuts for ?

Does someone have a list of the top negotiating points? I too would like to know more.


Lightsaber



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7175 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting yvphx (Reply 15):
If so, who pays them?

The Union possibly. If they can afford to strike they can afford to pay their workers (Or am I wrong?)

Quoting yvphx (Reply 15):
I feel horrible that passengers are being held hostage over this non-sense striking action.

Seconded. I hate it when workers take themselves over their customers.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 489 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5626 times:

Quoting LH422 (Reply 5):
Here's the big list of cancelled flights:

http://tinyurl.com/cbbh5f3

I couldn't find any India bound flights in this list. Does this mean the crew in these flights aren't on strike or something. I have a relative coming over to DEL today on LH and I'm hoping he makes it.
  



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):

I couldn't find any India bound flights in this list. Does this mean the crew in these flights aren't on strike or something. I have a relative coming over to DEL today on LH and I'm hoping he makes it.
  
Quote:
LH760 7. September 2012 13:45 Frankfurt/Main 00:05 New Delhi cancelled

Sorry.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 489 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5557 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 19):

Quote:
LH760 7. September 2012 13:45 Frankfurt/Main 00:05 New Delhi cancelled

Urrgh... if this continues tomorrow then that'll be bad, hope they rebook those stranded to connecting flights. Any news if OS or Swiss are having such strikes?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 20):
Urrgh... if this continues tomorrow then that'll be bad, hope they rebook those stranded to connecting flights. Any news if OS or Swiss are having such strikes?

There is no strike planned for this weekend. The strike only affects LH mainline, so only the Airbus and Boeing flights and only if operated by Lufthansa.


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 20):
Urrgh... if this continues tomorrow then that'll be bad, hope they rebook those stranded to connecting flights. Any news if OS or Swiss are having such strikes?

No, OS and LX are fine. This is only from a German union that represents only a certain part of LH's flight attendants.


User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

Sarcasm ON...Rah, rah, rah...zip boom bah...Workers of the world UNITE, strike, strike, strike!!!   Sarcasm OFF

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Where does EK send the thank you gift basket?  

That started my day with a big smile, thanks!



Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Where does EK send the thank you gift basket?

Here's the address:

UFO Büro Walldorf
Farmstraße 118
64546 Mörfelden-Walldorf
Germany

 


25 Post contains images Semaex :
26 Aviaco : I just checked the LH website with the list of flights cancelled due to the strike and noticed that the airline is cancelling flights until the 13th o
27 dalca : The LH Board and the UFO have been talking again this a couple of hours ago. Let's hope they can work it out. My cargo sales are down this weekend bec
28 Post contains links Unflug : For those who can read German, this is the unions website: http://www.ufo-online.com/flugbegleiter/ Basically they are asking for - a 5 percent incre
29 PanHAM : sorry but if that's what they want we can expect the next strike days. It would be cheaper to shut down for a month or more than agreeing to that. If
30 _AA_777_MAN : A ha... That's why I saw the LH 747 and A340 parked at the remote stand at ORD yesterday. Also saw 2 LH cargo MD-11s at South West cargo, but I guess
31 PanHAM : Cargo aircraft operated flights are not affected. Cargo however is, since all the belly capacity on the cancelled flights is lost, gone irreplacably a
32 LOWS : How are they going to accomodate all of the canceled passengers. Naturally, Jörg in Köln can lose his vacation and get his money back, but Ashok who
33 airbazar : I agree with you regarding the seniority based system but you're being narrowminded and assuming that a FA can only get a job as a FA. I know former
34 Post contains links CaptainCrackers : This is getting very interesting: Christof Franz has told ZDF that LH is now willing to agree not to use subcontracted labour for its cabin crews.
35 Post contains links Semaex : Spiegel Online is reporting some negotiations between management and Ufo are under progress. Supposingly LH is willing to give in on the BER deal and
36 EASTERN747 : When I began my career at EASTERN in 68, 1968 not 1868 LOL), I fully expected my working life to be with them. Well I did make it 25 years, which was
37 traindoc : Since LH and UA are in joint venture for TATL travel, I assume that some of the displaced pax would be flown on UA. I say some as UA is very full on i
38 PHX787 : So what I see: Guessing LH can't afford it with the economy? Wasn't the Euro economy thriving at this point? Probably never gonna happen in any realis
39 jreuschl : So what happens to the margin if they have to give employees a full month bonus!? Sounds like an extreme demand to me.
40 PHX787 : Unions are selfish beings.
41 flashmeister : And corporations aren't?
42 PHX787 : let's not degrade into a political debate here. I think both sides though can agree that Unions have been somewhat obsolete in the last 30 years
43 airevents : The union and LH just agreed on an arbitration. So things should get back to normal for the next days and weeks...
44 cmf : As an employer, and I have spent much time in that position, I prefer employees who fight for their job. The last thing I want is people who will jum
45 PA101 : Well, I'm trying to remain neutral in that matter, even though I had been affected by the strike myself on 8/31, since I don't know who is more right
46 flashmeister : And I think both sides can agree that corporations have been somewhat greedy in the same timeframe. See? It works both ways. And by the way, there is
47 L1011Lover : Hello everyone, actually I wanted not to comment on any LH Cabin Crew Strike threads any more, as I did not want to get it spinning out of control onc
48 PA101 : Thanks L1011Lover for your detailled insight report. I certainly agree that many mistakes of the past where done by LH management (outdated on-board p
49 KiwiRob : Thanks LH without cancelling my HAM OSL flight on Friday I wouldn't have enjoyed a 953km road trip, far more fun than flying. Germany, Denmark, Sweden
50 ASFlyer : No more so than management. Actually, I would say corporations tend to be a whole lot more selfish.
51 ASFlyer : Negotiations are a two way street. This is there only opportunity to secure better working conditions and pay raises. Non union workers would expect
52 Unflug : L1011Lover, thanks for your long post. I do appreciate your motivation, after all what you describe is what makes me feel good and safe on many LH fli
53 PPVRA : Oh I meant only if you wanted to leave your current FA job for another FA job. No doubt you can go into other things, maybe even with the same airlin
54 aloges : You confirmed what I had been thinking about the strike anyway, so thank you! The LH F/As' feeling comes from being told that some of their jobs woul
55 Post contains images L1011Lover : If it was never there, then you don't really have a reason to complain that it's not. Right? You applied for your job with your current employer and
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