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FR Emergency Landing In MAD  
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2724 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13528 times:

A Ryanair 737 en route from Madrid to Gran Canaria, had to return to Madrid and perform an emergency landing after suffering a decompression.

Here´s a link to the article (Spanish only, but I can give a brief description)

http://www.elperiodico.com/es/notici...ir-despresurizacion-cabina-2199904

A total of 16PAX had to be attended by medical services after their plane suffered a decompression en.route from Madrid to Gran Canaria Airport, of those 16, 14 have been dismissed and 2 have been taken to a nearby hospital for more thorough checks.

The passengers complained of ear pain and headaches following the decompression.

This week, another Ryanair plane, made an emergency landing in Lanzarote because of low fuel.

Passengers report that at around 7:45am the airplane suddenly began losing altiture and a strong burning smell filled the cabin, decompression followed and the oxigen masks dropped down.

The aircraft returned to Madrid, Passengers were then taken to the boarding area and those who wished, continued their journey in another aircraft, they were informed that it was a new airplane with a different crew.

I saw the report on the local news channel, they were interviewing some of the passengers who said that when the mask dropped down, they were not working. (they probably forgot to insert 2€ for air, or just didn´t pulled on the mask as indicated by the crew during the demo which nobody pays attention to)

MIAspotter.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13450 times:
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Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
I saw the report on the local news channel, they were interviewing some of the passengers who said that when the mask dropped down, they were not working. (they probably forgot to insert 2€ for air, or just didn´t pulled on the mask as indicated by the crew during the demo which nobody pays attention to)

Seems pretty common for people to claim masks weren't working when they actually were in these situations. As for the €2 comment, I commend your predictability and gross inappropriateness. Must have been pretty frightning for all involved, hope the injured are doing ok.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
of those 16, 14 have been dismissed and 2 have been taken to a nearby hospital

Firstly, it is good to hear that their were no major injuries or fatalities. I can understand that ear ache and head aches would occur upon rapid descent but generally does not produce lasting effects, unless prolonged.

Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
they were interviewing some of the passengers who said that when the mask dropped down, they were not working.

This is a concern for crew on all flights, whether operated by FR or not. Are the passengers actually watching the safety demonstration or video? Many passengers are either preoccupied with ignoring instructions to turn off their mobiles or blase about it, believing that nothing ever happens.

Must have been frightening for everyone though. Any news on the cause?


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Seems pretty common for people to claim masks weren't working when they actually were in these situations.

Yes. People expect there to be a big flow of oxygen when they put those masks on, but the reality is not the case and they think it's not working properly, when it actually is.


User currently onlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7494 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

Come on. Ryanair invites comments like a £2 fee for emergency oxygen with their unending list of adding fees. Not inappropriate.

Sometimes I think there are folks on this forum, not you, who feel we can never laugh, and that grown adults have to be kept from reality lest it offend them.


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2141 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13020 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
Come on. Ryanair invites comments like a £2 fee for emergency oxygen with their unending list of adding fees. Not inappropriate.

Sometimes I think there are folks on this forum, not you, who feel we can never laugh, and that grown adults have to be kept from reality lest it offend them.

It might have been funny back in the day but now comments like that are just boring.


User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13015 times:

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User currently onlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Quoting MIAspotter (Thread starter):
I saw the report on the local news channel, they were interviewing some of the passengers who said that when the mask dropped down, they were not working. (they probably forgot to insert 2€ for air, or just didn´t pulled on the mask as indicated by the crew during the demo which nobody pays attention to)

Seems pretty common for people to claim masks weren't working when they actually were in these situations. As for the €2 comment, I commend your predictability and gross inappropriateness. Must have been pretty frightning for all involved, hope the injured are doing ok.

I agree that comment was totally inappropriate - Ryanair would never charge less than 2.50€ (plus the credit card fee).


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2141 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12880 times:

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 6):
Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 7):

        


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2724 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12821 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 2):
Any news on the cause?

Not really, but smell of burning in the cabin + loss of pressurisation = pressurisation valves / packs issue? one of the A.net tech guys might know  
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 3):
Yes. People expect there to be a big flow of oxygen when they put those masks on, but the reality is not the case and they think it's not working properly, when it actually is.

That´s why they mention on the safety demo, ¨PULL ON THE MASK TO START THE FLOW OF AIR, AND DON´T WORRY IF THE BAG DOES NOT INFLATE, AIR WILL STILL FLOW¨

But as I mentioned, people nowadays rarely pay attention, here in Spain, kids just love to point the exits with the crew.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
Come on. Ryanair invites comments like a £2 fee for emergency oxygen with their unending list of adding fees. Not inappropriate.

Sometimes I think there are folks on this forum, not you, who feel we can never laugh, and that grown adults have to be kept from reality lest it offend them.

Well, you know how it is in here, there are some people with their heads way up their own arse, ignoring them is the best thing to do.

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 7):
I agree that comment was totally inappropriate - Ryanair would never charge less than 2.50€ (plus the credit card fee).

And God have mercy upon your soul if you forget to print the voucher at home! then it will really be your own f**k up as MOL once said...

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11713 times:

Guys, I know that "neverending charges" exist on Ryanair, and MOL uses them sometimes for comedic/PR potential, but come on. This is a serious issue. Joking about masks not working because a coin was not inserted is grossly inappropriate, especially if it is possible that the masks were indeed not working (although I agree that it was probably just pax expecting somthing different).

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 9):
That´s why they mention on the safety demo, ¨PULL ON THE MASK TO START THE FLOW OF AIR, AND DON´T WORRY IF THE BAG DOES NOT INFLATE, AIR WILL STILL FLOW¨

I dont think Ryanair does, at least I dont remember them mentioning it when I flew them a week and a half ago - but they did mention pulling down on them.



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User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11492 times:

"Pull the mask down to start the flow of oxygen and place over your face using the straps to secure it and breathe normally, please note that the bag does not inflate" is a standard briefing on all European airlines, including Ryanair. I think this is a more a matter of people choosing not to listen and then blaming somebody else/making false assumptions, people are good at that.

User currently onlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7494 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 10):
Joking about masks not working because a coin was not inserted is grossly inappropriate,

This was a very successful result to a serious, but not major, incident on an aircraft. One which every crew should be able to handle without problems. It was clear in the original post that there were no serious injuries.

Decompression can hurt. It did the three times it has happened to me. But it is not a life threatening emergency if the crew starts their descent promptly. Some passengers will have pain in their ears, some in their sinuses. It would not be 'fun' if a person had a head cold.

Also based upon returning to MAD - we can assume that the aircraft had not reached full cruise altitude when it lost cabin pressure, so there was less danger than an event at cruise.

And anyone on an aviation focused web site should know that 99.9999999999% of the time passenger complaints about oxygen masks not working are false and because the passenger in question did not comply with the instructions and did not listen to the required safety briefing.

So joking about it after we know everyone is safe and okay is perfectly acceptable. And I'm sure almost everyone familiar with Ryanair who was reading the original post had the same thought as the OP, only he got to it sooner.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
As for the €2 comment, I commend your predictability and gross inappropriateness.

Actually, it's fair game. MOL threatens to add new fees all the time, so the OP's comment was fair game.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9713 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Actually, it's fair game. MOL threatens to add new fees all the time, so the OP's comment was fair game.

Hardly fair game. People actually suffered as a result of the nature of the incident and there is nothing to suggest that FR handled the emergency in anything other than an exemplary fashion. So unless you like laughing at the misfortune of others or suggesting things that aren't remotely true then we need to give the tired jokes a rest in a serious situation like this.

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 11):
"Pull the mask down to start the flow of oxygen and place over your face using the straps to secure it and breathe normally, please note that the bag does not inflate" is a standard briefing on all European airlines, including Ryanair. I think this is a more a matter of people choosing not to listen and then blaming somebody else/making false assumptions, people are good at that.

There is no such wording on FR.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
Hardly fair game.

Your opinion but yes it is fair game. It's a two way street.



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User currently offlineDogbreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

The following is what is said during the Ryanair PA.

"In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure individual oxygen masks will automatically drop from the panel just above your head. If this happens remain seated and pull down firmly on the mask to start the flow of oxygen. Place the mask over your nose and mouth and breathe normally. Secure the mask using the strap provided and adults travelling with young children please attend to your own masks first."

The main point here being, "pull down firmly on the mask to start the flow of oxygen". Each seat row has one oxygen generator with 4 masks attached and requires just one of the masks to be pulled down to begin the operation of the oxygen generator.
If indeed there was no flow from the masks it may well have been due a failure to pull down on one of the masks, or it may be due to the fact that most pax assume that the mask will inflate (like a football), when in fact it actually doesn't inflate at all.

Quoting anthonychua527 (Reply 16):
See? Fly budget and you get crap. That is why I never fly budget, not even for free. Probably the passengers should thank their lucky stars they are still alive in that flying coffin. If you want to fly budget, be prepared to be treated worse than cargo and put your life on the line.

Whilst I admire your point of view to never fly LCC and with that I guess you stick with legacy carriers. Can I ask you how many pax have been killed flying European LCC (Ryanair, Easyjet for example), or for that matter how many LCC CFIT's or major crashes with deaths have occurred in Europe. Ryanair for example fly an average 1400 sectors a day, or 42,000 a month, yet they have not had a single fatality.
Not too sure what the LCC experience (and safety record) is in Singapore and SE Asia, but sounds pretty bad according to your POV.



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User currently offlineanthonychua527 From Singapore, joined Aug 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

It's not so much about fatalities... I'm actually more peeved by the fact that everything has to be paid for on LCCs. question: Why was there such a serious cabin decompression on this flight? No fatalities, yes, but injuries? That's bad enough.

In Singapore, the LCCs have had no serious accidents yet. However, flying them is a nightmare. You get lengthy delays with very little accountability, smelly aircraft, dwarf legroom, and horrible service. The crew's job is probably just standing by in case of emergency. Service is practically non-existent. As with all LCCs, you have to pay for everything you need.

It is such a horrible experience and I won't go into details. Talking about serious safety issues? Try Indonesia's LCCs.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1777 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

The 'oxygen wasn't working' claim seems to be happening time and time again during decompressions. 'The bag does/may not inflate' is not standard on all airlines demo's, it isn't at my airline and I've mentioned that in training sessions. Still, you would still get passengers claiming that oxygen wasn't working purely because they expect a big rush of oxygen upon deployment. The fact that these passengers remained conscious and lucid should suggest to them that oxygen was indeed flowing. However, some people just won't make that connection.

The burning smell wasn't likely a cause of the decompression but the oxygen generators which get pretty damn hot when the PSU oxygen is deployed.



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
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Nobody else has said this so I will stir this one into the mix   ...

1) Does there seem to be a large number of inflight issues with FR flights? There have been two or three decompression issues this year (one over the North Sea, another I can't remember where and this one). Now I know these things happen and perhaps because Ryanair is much more in the public eye, but it seems to be a theme.

2) Does aircraft type seem to have an effect? How does the A320 family compare for pressurisation problems? The 737 does seem to have a history of problems relating to pressurisation.

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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2724 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Quoting anthonychua527 (Reply 17):
In Singapore, the LCCs have had no serious accidents yet. However, flying them is a nightmare. You get lengthy delays with very little accountability, smelly aircraft, dwarf legroom, and horrible service. The crew's job is probably just standing by in case of emergency. Service is practically non-existent. As with all LCCs, you have to pay for everything you need.

I flew JetStar from HKG-SIN-HKG last year and found them to be absolutely perfect, the planes were well kept, clean, cabins were in nice shape, and the crews performed their duties in a very professional manner.

Certainly a winner of my business if my travels takes me around Asia soon.

I can´t attest to Scoot or Tiger Airways since I have yet to fly with them.

Indonesian LCC´s are in a league of their own.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 19):
1) Does there seem to be a large number of inflight issues with FR flights? There have been two or three decompression issues this year (one over the North Sea, another I can't remember where and this one). Now I know these things happen and perhaps because Ryanair is much more in the public eye, but it seems to be a theme.

Do bear in mind that they have 300 + aircraft operating many sectors per day, so it's natural that they'd have more incidents than most airlines. What I'd say is remarkable though is, despite the amount of operations, they really have a stellar safety record - it does seem that these pressurisation issues crop up every now and then but their only real accident has been the one at Rome with the birdstrike and double engine failure, which ended happily.



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User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
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Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12):
nd anyone on an aviation focused web site should know that 99.9999999999% of the time passenger complaints about oxygen masks not working are false and because the passenger in question did not comply with the instructions and did not listen to the required safety briefing.

While I agree with you - does this not point out an issue with the current O2 system. As an engineer who has designed user interfaces, we would view repeated failure of the customer to understand the UI as a problem with the UI. Just sayin'

Quoting anthonychua527 (Reply 17):
I'm actually more peeved by the fact that everything has to be paid for on LCCs.

Huh? That is part of being a LCC - you pay for services you use? It seems to me that a company has the right to provide the services that the customer wants - in the case of a LCC - it is obvious people want basic transportation at a low cost. The model seems to be working. So - what right to any of us have to be peeved at it? We can choose not to use that carrier - but be peeved? If the model works - they will be successful. If not, they will go out of business.



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2054 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6079 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
Come on. Ryanair invites comments like a £2 fee for emergency oxygen with their unending list of adding fees. Not inappropriate.

  

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 7):
I agree that comment was totally inappropriate - Ryanair would never charge less than 2.50€ (plus the credit card fee).

 
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Actually, it's fair game. MOL threatens to add new fees all the time, so the OP's comment was fair game.

Exactly.

Now nobody was seriously injured, we all have our way of dealing with serious news - and I feel making light of a stupid CEO is perfectly appropriate.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 23):
and I feel making light of a stupid CEO is perfectly appropriate.

Making fun of MOL may be fair game but I would not describe him as stupid.

He heads a company that to date has been very successful and everyone is bending over to accommodate him. Subsidies to attract FR frequencies, passengers willing to do what they are told to for fear of a penalty, LH complaining about the unfair advantages FR has. Free advertising whenever he opens his mouth.

That doesn't suggest someone who is dull-witted or lacking in mental acuity. Unrefined and a foul-mouth maybe: stupid he is not. Even if FR were to disappear tomorrow, do you not think that he will have provided himself with a golden parachute?


25 Asturias : A million pardons. A CEO douchebag. Thanks for correcting me. Indeed, as I mentioned, stupid wasn't the appropriate word, douchbag is far more accura
26 Post contains images ElPistolero : Interesting to see Americans mock FR. US short- and mid-haul Y class services by 'mainline' carriers are characterized by FR-style nickel and diming.
27 Asturias : No, I have not missed that 'argument', I have dismissed that 'argument'. If there is a business model to be had for an airline to fly to any city, if
28 ElPistolero : Girona can stop funding it tomorrow. Whats stopping them? They're obviously deriving some benefit from it.
29 Asturias : Who knows, but it isn't the fear of lost revenue from tourists that don't actually go there with the subsidised FR, instead hop straight on a bus to
30 RussianJet : That just isn't true. I have had literally hundreds of stupidly cheap fares from FR. You may well have some good points regarding subsidy etc, but wh
31 Asturias : You are correct of course, that it is very much possible to get cheap fares with FR, but you will pay extra fees, in most cases you will fly to remot
32 captainmeeerkat : "Are probably better" and actually do are two different things completely. While your opinion is your opinion, it goes against over 8.72million peopl
33 RussianJet : Far from in every case. If the choice of routing suits your needs then that is far from a given, and if you walk into the deal with your eyes open yo
34 Asturias : An 8% increase of stupid people. Yeah, they're 'probably better' choosing something, anything else, than FR. As one is 'probably better off' excercis
35 Post contains images captainmeeerkat : You're really Michael O' Leary having a meltdown, aren't you?! All those stupid people - like peas in a pod you and him It's your opinion, unless you
36 Post contains images Asturias : Yeah me an MOL are best buds. Love that little rascal. Wouldn't do business with him though It's your opinion that FR's business model is a sustainab
37 Post contains links ElPistolero : By your own logic (FR is crap - people get ripped off - they wont fly it again when they realize how bad it is), that 8% increase isn't really an 8%
38 captainmeeerkat : They make a profit! Compare with AA (Bankruptcy), LH (loss), AF/KLM (loss) IAG (loss) - I don't need figures to prove what is known - you need figure
39 rfields5421 : I'm not mocking FR, I'm joining in the fun in the spirit of international community with my fellow aviation enthusiasts. However, I do morn the loss
40 ElPistolero : Fair enough. Theres something of an LH/AC on EK -style character assassination going on in one of the other threads, hence the heightened sensitivity
41 RussianJet : Do you have a source for such an outlandish statistic? Or is it just based on overblown bluster? My position, by contrast, is based on a very large n
42 rfields5421 : Over the years I watched these forums Too many people take this stuff way too seriously, too emotionally. These are airlines - just another form of c
43 RyanairGuru : That people "on the other side of the Pond" or in Australia or wherever notice FR (and - yes - make jokes about nickel and diming) is testamount to t
44 WSTAKL : Silly me thinking this thread was about an emergency landing of a FR 737 after suffering some kind of decompression problem! As you were lads.....
45 OzGlobal : Ryanair have had a number of such serious decompressions at altitude, usually with multiple people having burst ear drums. It seems that their mainten
46 captainmeeerkat : It is the usual farce that each thread remotely related to FR descends into. As stated above, the safety record of FR is exceptional in relation to t
47 Post contains images rcair1 : Careful there buddy- let's not stereotype. I've never flown FR, probably never will, but I'm an American and I've never mocked FR. Probably the oppos
48 rfields5421 : Note - we are only making fun of FR because their crew handled the event qucikly, calmly and professionally - ensuring what should be a minor problem
49 Asturias : Missing the point, there's plenty of popular crap out there. Nah, but a douchebag for sure. Nah, but they are wasting public funds. Unless the defint
50 Post contains links AF185 : Indeed FR has experienced several incidents lately. The following article (in spanish) states there has been 12 incidents since January. http://www.p
51 RickNRoll : Does anyone know yet why the decompression happened?
52 rfields5421 : I don't think we will every learn the reason for the decompression unless a year or so from now the Spanish authorities release an incident investigat
53 Asturias : Iberia operates around 1000 flights a day.. with far less incidents than FR. Decompression is almost always mentioned, no matter what airline is in q
54 rfields5421 : We see two types of incidents on this forum. 1) Personal incidents - where an A.net member sees an incident, or is on-board the aircraft. In this cat
55 sweair : What I see is a lot of bitterness towards Ryan Air here, maybe from laid off competitor airlines? Life is hard, the smartest survive. I see the same h
56 UALWN : Maybe because the Civil Aviation Forum of a.net is not the proper place to discuss the CAP? And it's not 30%, it's more like 40%...
57 sweair : In relation to what FR gets I think the FR whine is nonsense.
58 UALWN : So now we can't talk about FR's subsidies because there are other subsidies? What's the logic behind this thinking?
59 ElPistolero : Agreed. I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would fly airlines like IB or LH in long haul Y. Especially if there's competition on the r
60 Fabo : Yeah, right. I am better of sitting home than going to, well, say Spain on the cheap. And apparently you would be better of without the 60 billion eu
61 kl911 : That is no topic any way since every airline can apply for those subsidies if they want..... Haha, dream on.... The Ryanair fleet is much younger, mu
62 Post contains images aerdingus : This is true. Some people have flown before & don't pay attention, others are idiots, asking for cervezas while you're securing the cabin. There
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