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QF & EK Announcement - 10am Aest 6/9/12 Part 2  
User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12030 times:

Continue discussion from QF & EK Announcement - 10am Aest 6/9/12 (by tayser Sep 5 2012 in Civil Aviation).

Enjoy!


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

Was curious if AJ had a partnership alliance with EK on the cards when he made a statement regarding a QF A333 will be rollout by years end sporting a "Special" color scheme...?

EK413



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

I doubt it unless QF is planning on adding PER-DXB to the list. It would be an A380 that would be painted I would have thought.


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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11656 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
Was curious if AJ had a partnership alliance with EK on the cards when he made a statement regarding a QF A333 will be rollout by years end sporting a "Special" color scheme...?

It was confirmed in the press release that it will be a 333? I know we have all speculated that it will be (and with all our knowledge base there is a good chance that it would be correct).

Could we see, say a picture of Australia, with red stripes, going to DXB, then more red red stripes to Europe and Nth Africa? as per the promotional video?



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User currently offlinedenklug From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11552 times:

Back to the question if QF could be a door opener for EK to fly into STR and BER.
I like the idea that QF could start ops to both BER & STR from DXB to finally give EK access to these markets.
How would this operation be possible? In theory of course, considering traffic rights. Would a QF flight from DXB to STR or BER need to originate somewhere in Australia? On the same metal? Or could lets say a QF A330 just shuttle between DXB and STR/BER? Looking forward to your ideas regarding that scenario.



denklug
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11525 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 3):
It was confirmed in the press release that it will be a 333?

Perhaps, a special scheme for this A330 which advertises partly for Emirates (think somewhat hybrid livery), that will operate STR/BER-DXB(-Australia). Giving EK further presence in Germany, without actually going in!

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Quoting denklug (Reply 4):
Back to the question if QF could be a door opener for EK to fly into STR and BER.

Theoretically QF could launch such a service. But given that they claim to be not making any money on the SIN-FRA route, would they really want to start BER or STR? OK, the distance between DXB and BER or STR is considerably less than from SIN. To make it viable they would need to be carrying passengers to feed EK flights to destinations other than in Australia but does the bilateral between Australia and Germany allow that? In any case, my understanding of what has been said by AJ is that the withdrawal from Europe allows for the growth of routes into Asia and the US.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 5):
(think somewhat hybrid livery),

You mean something like : كانتاس Qantas  


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11447 times:

Quoting denklug (Reply 4):
How would this operation be possible? In theory of course, considering traffic rights. Would a QF flight from DXB to STR or BER need to originate somewhere in Australia? On the same metal? Or could lets say a QF A330 just shuttle between DXB and STR/BER? Looking forward to your ideas regarding that scenario.

After the public and official press releases, there were also internal memo's that suggested there will be future employment opportunities with Qantas with this new alliance (tech crew, flight attendants?). Also I feel that QF has generous traffic rights into Germany (not sure if this will be the same for the new DXB hub).

In saying all of this, QF would have to have a third aircraft to fly into DXB (they have only committed the two A380's that fly from MEL / SYD - LHR). Would the German government allow say, a QF 333 to originate in DXB to terminate in Germany to allow a flight into BER or STR?.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11435 times:

Isn't the new special scheme supposed to be an Aborignal one? The comments made by Alan Joyce were in response to OEJ being repainted back into the regular livery. I don't remember the A333 being specifically mentioned either...

I doubt that they would do anything quite so permanent for this relationship, though something simple with decals could appear for a month in April (ie similar to the Olympics special livery, Rugby livery etc).


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

It's been mentioned in several articles that the Qantas plan is to use the Boeing 787-9 aircraft from 2016 to Dubai and onwards into Europe. It is virtually certain that the options will be firmed and the aircraft ordered.

By 2016, the airline will have had two years experience with the Emirates agreement, and I daresay the 789 will allow Qantas to efficiently link smaller Australian cities (PER & ADL for example) with Dubai as well as onwards to destinations in Europe that are showing up well on the codeshare.

Does anyone know when EU open skies is supposed to happen? I would place money on QF opening DXB-CDG fairly swiftly, and perhaps BER to link in with Air Berlin. There may also be one stop service to other places such as FCO and ATH.

What the codeshare will do is permit a lot more bookings through Dubai on Qantas. I will be interested to see how much traffic is fed into Qantas. I would imagine that QF will increase freqency to DXB. They have two more A380s due around 2014 which would facilitate this, with the remaining six to replace the 744ERs from 2018.

The media and commentators seem to be focussing on the short term here - but I would say Qantas has a very interesting long term plan for the DXB hub. I also feel the retiming of flights for Asia is going to be a huge benefit. Qantas are finally going to be competing properly with other airlines - something that is long overdue.

The other interesting fact was that FRA was losing $50m a year! That is a huge black hole for money on ONE route. The other thing everyone tends to forget as their shooting at Alan Joyce for being Irish (says this Australian who has gone the other way and moved to Ireland), is that International was losing money for YEARS. When the airline was making their massive profits, all of it was driven by domestic and other areas of the business, effectively subsidising international. This move with Emirates is a game changer that will be a serious boon for Qantas in years to come.



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11346 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
It's been mentioned in several articles that the Qantas plan is to use the Boeing 787-9 aircraft from 2016 to Dubai and onwards into Europe

Could you please advise sources. I would like to think this is correct but there are other rumours about



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
Isn't the new special scheme supposed to be an Aborignal one? The comments made by Alan Joyce were in response to OEJ being repainted back into the regular livery. I don't remember the A333 being specifically mentioned either...

Not sure how adequate the source is but came across this link http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/qf-on-wunula-livery/85527
Would appear the Special Scheme would be that of a Aboriginal scheme...

I hope QF roll out a special QF / EK Alliance scheme similar to KLM / NW...


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):
Also I feel that QF has generous traffic rights into Germany (not sure if this will be the same for the new DXB hub).

However I doubt EK can benefit as they probably can't codeshare given their traffic rights limitations.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):

Does anyone know when EU open skies is supposed to happen? I would place money on QF opening DXB-CDG fairly swiftly, and perhaps BER to link in with Air Berlin.

Air Berlin will never feed QF in DXB. One of their owners would not appreciate this.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11085 times:
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First, thank you for starting a new thread!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 5):
Perhaps, a special scheme for this A330 which advertises partly for Emirates (think somewhat hybrid livery), that will operate STR/BER-DXB(-Australia). Giving EK further presence in Germany, without actually going in!

I posted in the prior thread (and related) how I'm excited to see how QF uses their latent rights to Europe to feed DXB. STR (or BER, but I think STR first) would be a great start. Does anyone have a list of Australia's 'latent air service rights?' Going through the bilaterals requires finding the latest MOU too.

The gov web page:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...tion/international/agreements.aspx

A white paper that seems to be ok:
http://sydney.edu.au/business/__data...e/0020/46361/ITLS-BoA-WP-09-01.pdf

If I read that white paper correctly, Australia has an incredible 63 to 70 weekly rights to Germany!

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10043 times:
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QF has indeed been very open about using the -9 to open new points in Europe.

As the 787s arrive, "I only see growth," Mr Joyce said. The Emirates partnership is a “springboard for more services back into Europe”.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...qatar-into-oneworld-81650#qfeurope

And as others have mentioned, the exercising of the -9s is all but done.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 14):
As the 787s arrive, "I only see growth," Mr Joyce said. The Emirates partnership is a “springboard for more services back into Europe”.

I believe QFs absence from FRA will be short term & once the B787s arrive NEW exciting routes will be operated on QF metal... The areas of focus without a doubt would be the ports EK are restricted to expanding any further for example GERMANY...

EK413



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User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

Can we expect a A330 refurbishment program anytime soon?

I am assuming that they will be used for all QF-Asia flying to replace the A380s from SYD/MEL to SIN and the B747 from BNE-SIN in the medium term. They have no Premium Economy, no First, sloped beds in Business (which is not competitive compared to SQ, CX in some ports).

Also, what is going to happen with SYD-HKG (QF127/8) which is now a mix between B747/A380 aircraft which have First; if an A330 is used in the future, does that mean only some services will have First? After the A380 re-configuration program ceases, can we assume SYDHKG on the A380 will be daily?

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated  .


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 16):
Also, what is going to happen with SYD-HKG (QF127/8) which is now a mix between B747/A380 aircraft which have First; if an A330 is used in the future, does that mean only some services will have First? After the A380 re-configuration program ceases, can we assume SYDHKG on the A380 will be daily?

We can only assume SYD-HKG would remain a A380 route 4 times a week and next question is could QF operate the QF127/128 daily with 12 x A380s?

EK413



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 16):
Can we expect a A330 refurbishment program anytime soon?

I am assuming that they will be used for all QF-Asia flying to replace the A380s from SYD/MEL to SIN and the B747 from BNE-SIN in the medium term. They have no Premium Economy, no First, sloped beds in Business (which is not competitive compared to SQ, CX in some ports).

I would think that this would make sense, I know there are a number of posters here who suggest the recongifuration of the A330s would make a significant difference to a number routes (even HNL). I am excited by the potential increase in Asian p2p flying and glad to see QF beating VA to the post! I can't see SIN not having a premium economy service!


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 16):

I hope we do see them do something soon! Perhaps when the 744's are finished? Refitting the A333's now would extend their life as regional aircraft right out to the end of the decade, when they could return to domestic to run transcon (as the 743's did and the 744's are now) for a few years before being retired from 2022ish when they are 20 years old. I doubt the A332's will get anything done though.

I'd have thought it would make sense for them to cut the 4 weekly QF87/88 rotation (which currently feeds BA's late night departures to LHR) and combine both flights together into a daily A380 operated QF127. This would free up some A333 capacity and would standardise the product on SYD-HKG.

Going off this train of thought -- what do we think QF will do with SYD-SIN? They could theoretically continue to send the A380 on a single daily flight, or maybe they could use reconfigured 744's? I think it's a market that needs the new product to work.

Having said all that though -- we could also see SYD-SIN/HKG both daily with reconfigured 744's or A330's allowing DFW to go to a daily A380...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):

Absolutely. The existing schedules predate the return of OQA in March/April, so they effectively have a full frame of slack, plus three days a week when QF127/8 is a 744 and a plane is effectively sat in SYD.

This slack is currently allowing the reconfigurations to be completed though -- does anyone know when these will be done?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 19):
Absolutely. The existing schedules predate the return of OQA in March/April, so they effectively have a full frame of slack, plus three days a week when QF127/8 is a 744 and a plane is effectively sat in SYD.

This slack is currently allowing the reconfigurations to be completed though -- does anyone know when these will be done?

Cheers... Thanks for clarifying...

All 12 Qantas A380 aircraft will be reconfigured. The first reconfigured aircraft (registration VH-OQD) entered service on 20 June 2012, with all aircraft completed by April 2013...

EK413



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User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
First, thank you for starting a new thread!

You're welcome.



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9501 times:

One thing that was a part of the announcement was the retiming of the flights to Asia ( SIN HKG I am guessing) to allow for better connections beyond the gateway cities. Does any one have any comment or guesses what they might do with the scheduling to allow for these connections?

It also mentions in the press release on qf.com increased dedicated capacity to SIN (though SYD never had any 'dedicated capacity' , all of the SYD flights continued to elsewhere).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 19):
I'd have thought it would make sense for them to cut the 4 weekly QF87/88 rotation

So you might be onto something there QF002



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

I think a refurb of the A330-300 fleet given what Alan stated last week is a given and I reckon it will be announced soon? I also think that we'll see a return to overnight departures ex SYD, MEL, PER & BNE to HKG and probably SIN as well, given that these flights will give pax the best connections ex those Asia power cities and onto JQ Asia/JQ HKG etc. Plus there are a plethora of early morning departures to India, Europe, Nth Asia etc that would be a good solution for QF and it's pax. The only issue would be when these flights depart back to Australia, I would take it that they would be daylight departures to maximise aircraft utilisation?

Cheers BZF



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 23):
I would take it that they would be daylight departures to maximise aircraft utilisation?

Unless they sat on the ground all day, like what they do for the QF21/22 rotation to NRT. But I do admit, keeping the equipment on the ground all day does cost money where it could be earning money in the air.



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25 EK413 : Lets not forget its vital when the aircraft return to Australia due to curfew constraint airports such as SYD, ADL, BNE... EK413
26 ZuluAlpha : I thought BNE was a 24hr airport? When did it change?
27 tayser : agreed, QF29 (MEL-HKG) went from a ~midnight departure to 2:30pm when the HKG-LHR tag was dropped. SQ218 has a midnight departure ex MEL now, arrives
28 vhebb : The current slack in the A380 fleet is to allow for the reconfig work as well as the wing crack repairs. Once all the A380s are operational again (mid
29 qf762 : How about mid-morning QF departures to Asia. Arriving mid-late afternoon these could connect with last flights to final Asian destinations as needed.
30 EK413 : Thanks for pointing it out to me... EK413
31 ZuluAlpha : Think it will be double daily? Any possibility that EK will introduce flights ex SYD via SIN to DXB ?
32 EK413 : Is it possible the EK419 CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB service will be rerouted via SIN? EK413
33 6thfreedom : the flights will move to an earlier departure... broadly for east coast, out midday, into SIN around 16:00, then back out around 20:00 for morning ar
34 EK413 : My prediction as discussed in another thread... I'll predict the flights will become a lunchtime departure and downgrades from SYD,MEL & BNE... S
35 Post contains images qf002 : I agree that morning departures ex-Australia, with overnight return flights ex-Asia will be most likely. This is what they do on the majority of thei
36 Post contains images ClassicLover : Reply 14 had one of the articles. I had also read it in either one or two others - hence why it stuck in my brain! No, AB would not fly BER-DXB. Howe
37 Lufthansa : I have something interesting to report. Now this is STRICTLY just a rumour because it's 2nd hand information, but I have heard, that dash 8 pilots are
38 Post contains images EK413 : If you said prepare to start flying B77Ws then I'll believe you!!! Personally I wouldn't believe it until I see some solid proof and again QF need B7
39 Post contains images mariner : Rather than add the complexity of a new type, I think Qantas should grab all the A330's it can get. mariner
40 Post contains images EK413 : Personal preference is the B77W and complexity On a much more serious note how many A330s in the EK fleet...? EK413
41 Lufthansa : Well two things. If it is indeed short haul operating these as it's cheaper than a330 make sense as short haul cabin crew can only fly 3 aircraft type
42 smi0006 : Seems like a significant investment to gut old EK A330s and bring them up to QF standard, for only a few years before the 787s arrive. Not to mention
43 Lufthansa : Should be able to. Those earlier 332s currently at JQ were specially modified for the purpose of saving weigh from the standard 332 because they were
44 Lufthansa : Should be able to. Those earlier 332s currently at JQ were specially modified for the purpose of saving weigh from the standard 332 because they were
45 EK413 : What are the chances of the regulators knocking back the proposal and has it happened in the past...? I'm curious to know... Let's not forget only th
46 jetfuel : They have been conditioned already with the HUGE international losses - that was all part pf the politics
47 EK413 : Cheers... So it's safe to say the money loser QF international will go in their favor... Let's wait and see how VA strike back... EK413
48 mal787 : Lets see if SRB or JB put a banner on all aircraft "QF&EK" no way !!! mal787
49 Post contains links and images EK413 : & I wouldn't be surprised if happens... View Large View MediumPhoto © Jin KimView Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas Posch - VAP EK413
50 jetfuel : VS has a partnership with Gulf Air - if that who they choose that is their business. Of course VA is in bed with EY. As such SRB has nothing to debat
51 qf002 : Is anybody else getting a sense of BA 767 deja vu reading this? A dozen more midsize frames from QF's key European partner, already old/worn out and
52 Lufthansa : Maybe so, but BA's problems were caused mostly by BA ordered odd galley equipment most other carriers don't use, and also not fitting things like Chi
53 EK413 : Likewise... VA/EY EAT THIS! EK413
54 jetfuel : I still say the 787 should be used on new routes like CBR-DXB, CNS-DXB. Even NTL-DXB or MCY-DXB. Some of these Australian cities have large enough pop
55 Lufthansa : you bet your bottom dollar. All those pollies are already looking forward to being able to burn their points on emirates...and access emirates first
56 qf002 : I just find it amusing how history appears to be repeating itself. Like I said, I'm all for QF finding more international capacity wherever they can
57 Post contains images CXfirst : Imagine that. A380's flying SYD-MEL, and a whole bunch of them! (even the 77W's would be good). -CXfirst
58 Post contains images qf002 : If only! But I'm referring to the A332's
59 EK413 : I picture it now "QF sign agreement to lease 8 x EK B77Ws & 10 x EK A332s"... Wishful thinking I know but hey who would've guessed QF & EK wo
60 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I think CBR would be a likely contender down the track (in say 2016-7). That said it could happen earlier with a 330: CBR-SIN-DXB would kill two bird
61 jetfuel : I wonder what will happen to those who have bought premium Y seats SYD-FRA whne they get flight change notifications ? Do they get a refund, downgrade
62 EK413 : Passengers with Premium Y/C tickets are usually given an upgrade, downgraded or given a refund... EK413
63 Post contains images lightsaber : Nothing stops QF from putting their codeshare on an EK flight. How many of those are sold this far in advance? That is an interesting question. It so
64 EK413 : Please correct me if I am wrong but are you implying EK can increase frequency on restricted routes by simply applying a QF code to the route...? Gre
65 EK773 : Those who were originally booked to FRA might actually prefer to be rerouted from DXB to their final destination, or closer to it such as MUC, DUS, H
66 qf002 : I was thinking last night about other opportunities this partnership brings to QF. I wouldn't be surprised to see QF's European office moved from Lond
67 Post contains images EK413 : I misunderstood and read this the other way around... Thanks for clearing it for us qf002... EK413
68 BA174 : Just out of interest will BA continue to ground handle QF at places like LHR, HKG and JFK? I presume QF could choose to move to T4 at JFK and to the E
69 Post contains images lightsaber : Not exactly, but it is possible for a passenger flying the whole trip (or with 24 hours in Dubai) is QF O&D and not EK O&D for legal reasons.
70 EK413 : Will be interesting to see what happens here... QF will continue to be a key player in OW & the route changes is a prime example (EZE to SCL)...
71 Airvan00 : While we are talking about changing terminals. I wonder when Emitares will move from the western side of T1 at SYD to the eastern side to be near the
72 EK413 : EK ain't moving from the western wing of the International terminal @ Sydney reason being the EK lounge is located at gate 57 ( correct me if I'm wro
73 Quokkas : Are EK definitely moving or is that just rumoured? I would expect EK to wish to remain closer to their own lounge rather than the QF lounge. Why woul
74 qf002 : Why would EK want to maintain their own lounge when QF has a far superior facility in SYD? Surely it makes sense for the, to move around to the Easter
75 EK413 : Any idea how much EK invested into the lounge? EK413
76 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...apore/story-e6frg95x-1226472974948 Qantas has indicated it will not move Boeing 747s freed up by the decision t
77 6thfreedom : Interesting. do Emirates have their own lounge in Singapore and HK, or do they use third party? I wonder who's lounge BA will use in SIN from now on.
78 jetfuel : Ek does have their own lounge and I suspect OW alliance will ensure BA still use QF
79 Post contains images EK413 : The news just continues to get better and better by the minute The over due changes are unfolding... EK413
80 Bill142 : It's a joint lounge.
81 qf002 : No idea, though the SYD lounge has been open quite a few years with very little work done to update it. Perhaps they will keep it going until they ha
82 thegeek : The question I ask is would enough people fly on QF LHR-DXB and then onwards on EK metal? A number would do the opposite so the QF metal LHR-DXB fligh
83 thegeek : Source? I didn't see that in the CAPA analysis. If it was that bad surely it would be cancelled before now.
84 SCL767 : QF transferred its SYD-EZE service to SYD-SCL since the SYD-EZE route was a loss maker. QF does not even code-share on any of LAN's regional and dome
85 nickofatlanta : I was of the understanding that LAN has to operate a quad-engined aircraft on the route - one of the main reasons for them keeping a small A340 fleet
86 SCL767 : The first batch of B-787-9s will operate the SCL-AKL-SYD route in 2015. The A-343s will be completely phased out by 2015.
87 smi0006 : I think they manage to get around this as it is an Australian rule, thus the flight between AKL and SCL is not applicable.
88 EK413 : How does AC, VA & DL get around it? EK413
89 SCL767 : That is correct as it is between the Chilean and New Zealand Authorities. Luckily NZ is the launch customer of the B-787-9 and will most likely open
90 qf002 : Most likely the Australian authorities have no say over what happens between NZ and Argentina, and can only have a say in what happens on flights dir
91 thegeek : They don't need to. LAX-SYD is doable within ETOPS-180. Not sure why you're asking about AC? YVR-SYD, or is there some other route straying a long wa
92 RyanairGuru : No chance, that route will be 744 until they're retired in 2018-ish
93 Post contains images CXfirst : It always helps to have a diagram (from gcmaps.com) Shortest possible routes with ETOPS-180 Clearly, Australia to South America needs big deviations f
94 EK413 : Cheers... I had an understanding of the ETOPS rulings however just never understood why CASA apply rules on twins when the aircraft have been certifi
95 ZuluAlpha : And after that ?
96 jfk777 : Why would Qantas fly 14 hours to Buenos Aires to loose money ? EZE is not a strategic city for Australians. The reasons for flying to Santiago are ob
97 RyanairGuru : God knows. I doubt the route could take an A380 - maybe they will throw an awful lot of money into lobbying to get ETOPS180 lifted. They must have so
98 thegeek : Source? Presumably it wasn't making money on the flights it cut, but the reduction in capacity and A380 CASK could make this profitable as far as we
99 QF762 : Well, it is six years away, anything could happen. Hopefully by then there will be enough demand to support the A380 (even if, for example, there was
100 jfk777 : Santiago and JNB will probably be flown by 787-9's when Qantas gets them. I know the 777 QF thing has been written about to death but with the Emirat
101 RyanairGuru : I agree that the 787 is the perfect aircraft for these markets ... other than the pesky issue of engines. CASA have indicated that they will not appr
102 Post contains links Dizzy777 : this deal now has a new issue, with political implications i don't think QF was counting on: http://extras.townsvillebulletin.com...u/rss_article.php?
103 qf002 : If the Senator is so concerned, then maybe she should start lobbying for the government to renationalise the airline. Or perhaps she should be campai
104 Post contains links alvse : Don't know if anyone has seen this on nearmap; http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/255/captureoyt.png
105 Quokkas : I am not sure how the tie-up between EK and QF changes much. Every flight heading north from PER warns passengers of the heavy penalties for drug pos
106 RyanairGuru : Similarly I don't recall her having sleepless nights about all the passengers Virgin fly to the UAE. Politics, pure and simple...
107 Post contains images EK413 : I have a gut feeling the EK/QF deal ain't no more based on these details... She must of been sleeping under a rock the past 10-15 years... EK413
108 Dizzy777 : i was NOT defending the article, i was simply posting it for others to see. it appeared in several newspapers and news sites in australia, i didnt thi
109 Sydscott : Don't refrain from posting, Senator Kroger actually does have a valid point for the Medicines but it should be a more general warning than focused on
110 Post contains images qf002 : We aren't attacking you!! We are attacking the senator who made the comments
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