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Pan Am 747s To SIN  
User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 862 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Good Day All.

Pan Am started flying the 747F to SIN in the late '70s, and subsequently replaced the 707s with 747SP.

When I first arrived at SIN as a 10 year old in Summer 1971, I seem to recall there was a Pan Am 747 parked there. I never saw one after that, only 707s.

My Q is: If I remembered correctly, and I did in fact see a PA 747, when did they start serving SIN and for how long?

Many thanks - musang

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8291 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4655 times:
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The last 1980's timetable has Singapore as an extension of the SFO-HKG 747SP flight.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Yes absolutely Pan Am operated 747s to Singapore.

PA21/22 with the 747s operated LAX-NRT-HKG-SIN for the longest period. At times they would downgauge the HKG-SIN leg to 747SP which came in from SFO-HKG.



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User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 862 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Thanks for that, but I'm talking early '70s. I believe I saw one in summer 1971.

Regards - musang


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Don't have an early 1970s timetable, but in 1978 it shows SIN-HKG-NRT-SFO on a 747 - 4x weekly.
Also a 747 Freighter 1x weekly SIN-NRT-SFO-ORD-JFK.

1980 timetable has daily 747SP SIN-HKG-SFO-JFK

1982 timetable has daily 747 SIN-HKG-NRT-LAX



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Pan Am had no scheduled service (passenger or cargo) according to their April 1973 timetable. By April 1979 they had 4 747SPs a week that operated SIN-HKG-SFO and one weekly 747F freighter SIN-NRT-SFO-ORD-JFK. So their scheduled service to SIN seems to have started sometime between 1973 and 1979.

If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8291 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.

WHY ? PA flew to Vietnam at the time and had decades of operations to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Manila at the time. Bali was also flown. A 707 crashed there in the early 1970's at some point, the story is a chapter in the "SkyGods" book.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
If you saw a PA aircraft at SIN in the early '70s I suppose it could have been a charter.

WHY ? PA flew to Vietnam at the time and had decades of operations to Hong Kong, Tokyo and Manila at the time.

Charters can be for many reasons, for example corporate incentive groups etc. I was commenting on why a PA aircraft may have been seen at SIN during a period when they had no scheduled service to SIN.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2215 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Pan Am's annual reports show SIN service as far back as the 1940s. Pan Am flew SIN-SGN, connecting to Pan Am's round the world flights in Saigon. The SGN-SIN route was extended to Jakarta, and eventually Sydney, by the late 1960s.

Viscount724, you're right, PA did not fly to SIN in 1973 - perhaps SIN was temporarily suspended sometime in the early 1970s.

As of 31 Oct 1976, PA served SIN 3x week with a 707 SIN-GUM flight, connecting to a 747 GUM-HNL-SFO.



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User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

December 1975 PA timetable has SIN served by 707 from/to GUM. Flight 841/842. Freight only flight 875 was also 707 (weekly) this flight was via Tokyo and Bangkok.


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User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 862 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 8):
Viscount724, you're right, PA did not fly to SIN in 1973 - perhaps SIN was temporarily suspended sometime in the early 1970s.

Interesting! I have the S'pore Civil Aviation Authority Annual Reports for 1972 and '73 - both state Pan Am 707s as being scheduled visitors during those years. Apparently in both years PA 878 came in twice a week and departed an hour later, origin/dest'n not shown. That's the only flight number shown in the weekly record of schedules, so either they've missed out the return flight or it was a triangular route.

However, drifting off topic now, and I certainly defer to the PA timetables as more reliable records!

I guess that if I did in fact see a PA 747 it was a one-off.

Thanks All - musang


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting musang (Thread starter):
When I first arrived at SIN as a 10 year old in Summer 1971, I seem to recall there was a Pan Am 747 parked there. I never saw one after that, only 707s.

My Q is: If I remembered correctly, and I did in fact see a PA 747, when did they start serving SIN and for how long?
Quoting musang (Reply 10):
I guess that if I did in fact see a PA 747 it was a one-off.

Yes sir, you did see a PA 747 in SIN early 1971, as did I. (I was serving with the Australian Armed Forces in Singapore at the time). I remember vividly it arriving at the old PAYA LEBAR (hope I got the spelling right) airport, there was quite a crowd of locals and americans there to witness the arrival. I am unable to recall the date however. I do have some PA timetables around that era (late 70 early 71) however I cant lay my hands on them at the moment. My vague recollection was that it flew in straight from GUAM, then just after it was routed via SAIGON, so whether the first flight was a proving flight I am not sure. I do know that due to very poor loads, it ceased some months after that.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24893 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Pan Am also operated R&R flights to Singapore from Cam Rahn Bay, Danang and Saigon during the Vietnam war as this timetable suggest

http://www.timetableimages.com/i-or/pa6812i.jpg

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User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

What an interesting thread. I never imagined Pan Am flew to Singapore especially back then when Singapore wasn't a major market

User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Pan Am also operated R&R flights to Singapore from Cam Rahn Bay, Danang and Saigon during the Vietnam war as this timetable suggest

Thank you for sharing. Did PA ever use widebodies for R&R flights? I flew PA on R&R to Australia early Feb 68 and it was then a 707 and I vaguely recall some of the shorter asian flights being props (not necessarily PA).



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
Did PA ever use widebodies for R&R flights? I flew PA on R&R to Australia early Feb 68 and it was then a 707 and I vaguely recall some of the shorter asian flights being props (not necessarily PA).

Pan Am used DC-6Bs on some Vietnam military flights. Here's a video of a DC-6B arriving somewhere in Vietnam in 1967. It was an R&R flight based on the sign in the bus window.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD0PsKF0b-A

[Edited 2012-09-11 13:15:55]

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