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TWA L-1011 Fleet Question - Old Image  
User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

I was scanning some of my parents' old slides from the 1970s and came across this TWA L-1011 photo. I believe the photo was taken at LAX in 1978 (sorry for the poor quality, the film has deteriorated somewhat) and it clearly shows the number "11023" on the fuselage.

Are there any TWA livery experts who can tell me what this number is? I have looked for "N11023" and I cannot locate this registration on any TWA or L-1011 fleet lists. I wondered if perhaps "1023" was the construction number, similar to other period construction numbers for this type, but the corresponding L-1011 never flew for TWA as far as I can tell.

Can anybody tell me the registration number and/or history of this aircraft? Obviously it is long gone now   but I'd be curious to know anyway.




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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Love seeing pics of the old TW L10s.

This is a bit of a mystery - I too clearly see N11023 but come up with nothing on a search of the internet.


User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3062 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting richierich (Thread starter):
Are there any TWA livery experts who can tell me what this number is? I have looked for "N11023" and I cannot locate this registration on any TWA or L-1011 fleet lists.

Is it not N31023 ? Could be some deterioration on the slide or shadow making it look like 11023.

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User currently offlinesevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

It's N31023, DD jun'74.

Most of TWA's fleet carried a slightly different number on the nose, usually similar to the registration, but used as an internal ship number. AA and probably others do a similar thing.

Interestingly, this L-1011 carried 11023 on the nose in this livery, and 21023 when it had the red stripe livery applied. Possibly a way of noting which livery a particular aircraft had.

This aircraft survived until recently In Kingman, but has sadly now been broken up



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 2):
Is it not N31023 ? Could be some deterioration on the slide or shadow making it look like 11023.

After familiarizing myself with TW's fleet list from that time period, I think N31023 is the most likely candidate for this aircraft. However the number on the forward fuselage clearly reads "11023" and I don't think there is enough deterioration to get "31023" out of it! I'm wondering if the first digit "1" is to identify this aircraft as a L-1011-1 (as opposed to a -500 series) added to the last four digits of the registration number "1023"... that seems to make the most sense to me.



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 3):
Most of TWA's fleet carried a slightly different number on the nose, usually similar to the registration, but used as an internal ship number. AA and probably others do a similar thing.

Interestingly, this L-1011 carried 11023 on the nose in this livery, and 21023 when it had the red stripe livery applied. Possibly a way of noting which livery a particular aircraft had.

I noticed that too... makes sense.

Thanks for the info everybody!!



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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 4):
After familiarizing myself with TW's fleet list from that time period, I think N31023 is the most likely candidate for this aircraft. However the number on the forward fuselage clearly reads "11023" and I don't think there is enough deterioration to get "31023" out of it! I'm wondering if the first digit "1" is to identify this aircraft as a L-1011-1 (as opposed to a -500 series) added to the last four digits of the registration number "1023"... that seems to make the most sense to me.

TWA never operated the L-1011-500. As was posted above, the fleet numbers, while similar to the registration numbers, are seldom identical. If you famliarized yourself with the pictures of the L-1011's in the original double globe livery on this site, you would find the oldest photo shows N15017 and it has 11017 in the nose; N31031 is 11031; N31018 is 11018, etc., etc., etc.


User currently offlineairsmiles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Wasn't the tail number prefixed '11' because of the last 2 digits of the L1011 type designation?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

11023 is the nose number, later become 21023 in life when it was converted to a -50.

Tail number is N31023



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
11023 is the nose number, later become 21023 in life when it was converted to a -50.

And a TWA 31XXX nose number designates a L-1011-100



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

I just love airline pics from that era - thanks for sharing. But sorry, I can't help you otherwise.


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 3):
This aircraft survived until recently In Kingman, but has sadly now been broken up

Here is 2 videos showing its interior and exterior shortly before it was broken up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9RlsvHlOG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFRcVIw2FhQ



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 11):
Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 11):
ere is 2 videos showing its interior and exterior shortly before it was broken up.

So very sad... Made me want to cry!



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User currently offlinese210 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 112 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3118 times:

JP airline-fleets international-1978 Edition:N31023 L-1011-193B TriStar CN#1080 FL#11023

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