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OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2K JFK-GYE OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0.0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

They added SPN-CAN last week
3U SPN-PVG NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6

4M MIA-EZE OCT 3>1.0

7C GUM-ICN NOV 1.0>1.6 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.6 APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.6

AC SEA-YYZ OCT 1.8>1.6

AF IAD-CDG OCT 1.5>1.1

BA PHL-LHR FEB 1.6>1.4 MAR 2.0>1.7

BB SJU-STT OCT 1.4>0.8 NOV 1.5>0.9 DEC 1.4>0.9
BB STT-STX OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
BB STX-SJU OCT 1.6>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.6>1.0

DL ATL-BNA DEC 9>8
DL ATL-LIT DEC 6>7
DL BOS-CMH DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-IND DEC 3>1.5
DL BOS-MCI DEC 0.9>0.4
DL BOS-ORF DEC 1.6>1.2
DL CMH-RDU DEC 1.3>0.7
DL CVG-GSO DEC 0.7>0.4
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.6>1.3
DL DCA-LEX DEC 0.6>0.4
DL DTW-CLT DEC 4>5
DL DTW-CMH DEC 7>6
DL DTW-CRW DEC 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-XNA DEC 0.9>0.4
DL DTW-YOW DEC 1.4>1.8
DL FLL-TLH DEC 0.4>0.0
DL LAX-HNL DEC 3>4
DL LEX-MSP DEC 1.0>0.5
DL LGA-JAX JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
DL LGA-PBI DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL LGA-YHZ DEC 1.5>1.0
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
DL LGA-YUL DEC 5>4
I won't state the obvious.
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
DL MSP-PIA DEC 1.0>0.5
DL SLC-YVR DEC 1.7>1.3

F9 DEN-ATL DEC 1.9>1.4

I guess this was a misfiled duplicate a few weeks ago.
G7 LGA-STL OCT 0.7>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0

HA HNL-KOA NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA HNL-LIH NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA HNL-OGG NOV 28>29 DEC 28>29 JAN 28>29 FEB 28>29
HA KOA-HNL NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA LIH-HNL NOV 17>18 DEC 17>18 JAN 17>18 FEB 17>18
HA OGG-HNL NOV 28>29 DEC 28>29 JAN 28>29 FEB 28>29

JL ROR-NRT OCT 0>0.2

KE HNL-ICN OCT 2>1.9

LA JFK-SCL OCT 2>1.0
LA SFO-LIM OCT 1.5>0.8

LX ORD-ZRH FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0

MU HNL-PVG APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4

OZ EWR-SEA DEC 0.3>0.1
OZ MSP-ORD DEC 0.2>0.1

UA CLE-CUN MAR 0.9>0.7
UA CLE-IND JAN 3>5 FEB 3>4
UA CLE-MHT JAN 3>1.6
UA CLE-ROC JAN 3>1.6
UA CLE-RSW FEB 1.5>3
UA CLE-YYZ OCT 4>3
UA DEN-BIL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-BIS MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA DEN-CPR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
UA EWR-FRA MAR 2>1.8 APR 2>1.9
UA EWR-PAP MAR 0.9>0.8
UA EWR-SXM MAR 1.3>1.1
UA EWR-TLV MAR 2>1.9
UA EWR-ZRH MAR 1.0>0.9
UA IAD-ABE JAN 4>3
UA IAD-PWM JAN 1.9>1.1
UA IAD-ROC JAN 4>3
UA IAD-ZRH MAR 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-LHR MAR 2>1.8 APR 2>1.9
UA IAH-MIA MAR 4>5
UA IAH-SJD MAR 3>1.9 APR 2>1.7
A lot of LAX cuts
Big cut, temporary though
*UA LAX-ABQ JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.8
UA LAX-BOI JAN 1.9>1.1
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.7>1.1
UA LAX-EWR JAN 8>6 FEB 8>7
*UA LAX-MCO JAN 2>1.1 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.1 APR 2>1.0 MAY 1.8>1.0
UA LAX-PHX JAN 4>3
UA LAX-SEA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
UA LAX-SLC JAN 3>1.9
UA LAX-SMF JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
UA ORD-BOI JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-BTV JAN 4>3
UA ORD-FRA MAR 2>1.9
UA ORD-IAD JAN 7>6
UA ORD-LAS JAN 5>4
UA ORD-MCO JAN 6>5
UA ORD-PVD JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-RAP JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0.5
UA ORD-SEA JAN 6>3 FEB 6>5
UA ORD-SMF JAN 1.9>1.1
UA ORD-YVR JAN 4>1.9 FEB 4>3
UA SFO-ACV JAN 8>6 FEB 8>7
UA SFO-BOS JAN 6>5
UA SFO-EUG JAN 7>6
UA SFO-EWR JAN 8>7
UA SFO-GEG JAN 2>1.1
UA SFO-JFK JAN 6>7
UA SFO-LAS JAN 10>9
UA SFO-MCI JAN 3>1.9
UA SFO-MFR JAN 7>6
UA SFO-PDX JAN 9>8
UA SFO-SEA JAN 9>7 FEB 9>8
UA SFO-SLC JAN 4>5
UA SFO-SNA JAN 7>8
UA SFO-YEG JAN 2>1.1 FEB 2>1.5
*UA SFO-YYJ JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 2>1.8

US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8
Before we get too excited, I'm assuming this is a holiday pull-down, but note that DCA-LGA is pulled down less.
**US BOS-LGA DEC 14>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>0.9
US BOS-RIC DEC 2.0>1.2
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.6
US BOS-SYR DEC 2.0>1.3
US CLT-LAX DEC 4>5
US CLT-MYR DEC 8>9
US CLT-SEA DEC 1.6>3
US CLT-SFO DEC 4>5
US DCA-BDL DEC 6>5
US DCA-BNA DEC 4>3
US DCA-BOS DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-CHA DEC 0.8>0.6
US DCA-GSP DEC 3>1.8
US DCA-HSV DEC 4>3
US DCA-LGA DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-PBI DEC 3>1.8
US DCA-RDU DEC 7>6
US DCA-RSW DEC 1.8>1.2
US PHL-BOS DEC 16>15
US PHL-DEN DEC 1.9>3
US PHL-LAS DEC 5>4
US PHL-MDT DEC 8>7
US PHL-SEA DEC 1.5>3
US PHL-SFO DEC 4>5
US PHL-YOW DEC 4>3
Wow, more ANC in January...obviously sunseekers
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2
US PHX-LAS DEC 10>8

VB IAH-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB LAS-MTY JAN 0.6>0.3 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.6>0
VB SAT-MTY JAN 0.5>0.2 FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0

VS LAX-LHR NOV 2>1.5 JAN 2>1.5 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.6

XL MIA-UIO OCT 3>1.0

YV HNL-LIH OCT 8>7 NOV 9>8
YV LIH-HNL OCT 8>7 NOV 9>8

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User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5490 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SEA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>1.9 APR 3>2.0 MAY 3>2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-SEA JAN 6>3 FEB 6>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-SEA JAN 9>7 FEB 9>8

Seattle = Spoke. Nothing new, but certainly a change from years gone by. Where once they had the entire North Satellite at SEA to themselves, they will now be moving out to a shared terminal.

SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11408 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BB SJU-STT OCT 1.4>0.8 NOV 1.5>0.9 DEC 1.4>0.9

Which airline is this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0

I wonder if UA has a route for this, but then again, it doesn't sound like a good route to me on either airline.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11345 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):

Seattle = Spoke. Nothing new, but certainly a change from years gone by. Where once they had the entire North Satellite at SEA to themselves, they will now be moving out to a shared terminal.

And people still think the SEA-NRT flight will be sticking around..............   



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11333 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MA

Yes , OO will be replacing ZK with EM2s.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently onlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5490 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11271 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL MEM-CLE JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
I wonder if UA has a route for this, but then again, it doesn't sound like a good route to me on either airline.

I'd think UA MEM-CLE-XXX would have more potential than DL CLE-MEM-XXX, primarily due to CLE's connections to the NE. However, either option seems extremely low priority.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.

My dad has been an Anchorage resident for 30-some odd years now, and he just bought a newer home in I think Surprise, AZ. Plenty of people need to do their golfing in the 9 months a year when the ball will be lost in the snow/mud/gloom.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
And people still think the SEA-NRT flight will be sticking around..............

AS + 787 = SEA-NRT   Someday maybe....

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently onlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11178 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2. LAX has become a big RJ haven for UA lately; everything from SJC to SEA and PDX that were once mainline are now running on CR2s and CR7s if we're lucky.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

I have heard that this route does really well though. I don't think it's that surprising.

ANC doesn't usually get more service in the Winter, but I do get the Winter escape option.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is this EAS?
*UA DEN-LAR NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MA

Yes , OO will be replacing ZK with EM2s.

This seems like another great part of UA's "growth" deal with DEN. So, UA* takes over some routes from ZK, call them "new" and it helps satisfy their expansion requirement. Funny, but sad.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....

Imteresting, but I think AS gets bought if they venture up against AA/DL.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 6):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2. LAX has become a big RJ haven for UA lately; everything from SJC to SEA and PDX that were once mainline are now running on CR2s and CR7s if we're lucky.

Wow, that is awful. I wonder how UA expects to "win" in LAX with that kind of schedule. Maybe they should code share with AS like everybody else on the planet.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, more ANC in January...obviously sunseekers
*US PHX-ANC DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2

The fact that they tend to operate a second flight only in association with the flex schedule leads me to believe that they aren't adding this flight outside of the winter flex that runs from about mid-December to the first weekend of January. US has added a second ANC flight for that period for the last two years.



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User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10490 times:

I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3045 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10439 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 5):
AS + 787 = SEA-NRT Someday maybe....

Imteresting, but I think AS gets bought if they venture up against AA/DL.

That's an interesting suggestion. AS has positioned themselves brilliantly to stay independent by partnering up equally with AA, DL and other OW and ST members. Taking either side out of the equation would make them less valuable.

However, one could speculate that if AS defected to either OW or ST, or decided to go off alone and compete more with either side, they could be more open to takeover.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10439 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 8):

The fact that they tend to operate a second flight only in association with the flex schedule leads me to believe that they aren't adding this flight outside of the winter flex that runs from about mid-December to the first weekend of January.

I'm assuming it is a plane available from Atlantic Winter reductions?

Quoting azstar (Reply 9):
I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

Thanks, that means a lot.  


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10280 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0

I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty. It will be interesting to see how the initial service annoucements compare with the actual schedule flown at a later point. Perhaps a year or so is a good point for benchmark. Of course I'm eager to look now, but it will probably be a meatier comparison if we let the dust settle further.

A similar comparison for US would be intersting, too, if perhaps not as dramatic. I don't feel like US used their slots to push into as much new ground as Delta did at LaGuardia, both because of the quantity of new slots and the large presence US had before the deal.

Quoting azstar (Reply 9):
I find this information very informative and useful. I'd like to thank enilria for taking the time to post it regularly.

+1


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10229 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I believe LGA-OMA is another casualty.

Along with LGA-PHL that died in last week's update from enilria.

A few of these cuts are to be expected. LGA-PHL was bound to be pretty useless. I guess the bigger question is what new routes or new frequencies does DL add as backfill? Of course, I've always argued that DL (and US before them) have more slots at LGA than they really can use given the perimeter restrictions. There's only so many markets that are viable from LGA given demand and competitive forces.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10120 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-YYJ JAN 1.9>1.1 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.9>0.9 MAY 2>1.8

The OO service to YYJ is so unreliable that many going away for the holidays tend to buy a second safety ticket through YVR -- just in case.

They've done their level best to drive customers away on this route.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MSP-PIA DEC 1.0>0.5

Wow. This route sure has gone downhill the past several years. NW Airlink once ran 4x daily PIA-MSP! I guess DL is placing more emphasis on PIA-DTW.

So does "0.5" mean 4x/week?


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 9825 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
I'm assuming it is a plane available from Atlantic Winter reductions?

They're using a west A319, which are almost exclusively utilized out of PHX. With the exception of the now-defunct PHL flight, US usually hasn't sent anything larger than an A320 on a regular basis.



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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9405 times:
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 13):

Now that WN is pulling out of the LGA - BWI route they might want to give it a try. Originally I was sure that BWI was going to be one of the new routes announced earlier this year with the initial expansion to back fill the US pull out of the route but it newer materialized. Now with no competition it might be profitable.

Enilria thank you very much for these weekly updates, they prove to be useful allot especially in my line of work.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

what's up with Vivaaerobus?


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9151 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 17):
Enilria thank you very much for these weekly updates, they prove to be useful a lot especially in my line of work.

This can't be said often enough -- in case you think we take all this work for granted   


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
what's up with Vivaaerobus?

They're actually not selling IAHMTY past the first week of JAN13 so it could be real this time.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting boilerla (Reply 6):
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 1):
SEA-LAX 2X? Crazy.

Worse, it's a CR7 & a CR2.

Wow, that's even more cruel & unusual punishment than standard UA service. 2:45 on a CRJ sounds appropriate for Gitmo.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-BOS JAN 1.7>1.1

This isn't even remotely competitive with AA & VX. Why bother flying it?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
A lot of LAX cuts

I don't see how UA maintains any frequent flyer program loyalty in the short-haul markets. Even DL beats them for schedule in a number of these markets.   

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8
Before we get too excited, I'm assuming this is a holiday pull-down, but note that DCA-LGA is pulled down less.
**US BOS-LGA DEC 14>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.4>0.9
US BOS-RIC DEC 2.0>1.2
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.6
US BOS-SYR DEC 2.0>1.3

Well, it appears there are cuts in pretty much all the US* routes from BOS in December outside of PIT. And BOS-LGA on E190's has got to be horrible with the end of the LGA focus city. BOS-SYR & BOS-MDT have horrible loads (~50%). BOS-BUF & BOS-RIC do better, but B6 is setting fare levels in these markets and US* uses high-cost ZW CRJ's.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8672 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-PBI DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5
Must be booking pretty badly to reduce in peak
*DL LGA-SRQ JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.1 MAR 2>1.2 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL LGA-YHZ DEC 1.5>1.0
Is that the first route to die post-slot deal?
*DL LGA-YOW NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
DL LGA-YUL DEC 5>4

SRQ- I am not seeing that. To me this looks like SRQ is now going to be year around with a daily flight in April and May. This is a route which is a snow bird route so I can see a single MD88 operation in Jan, Feb and March giving way to a single CR7 in April and May.
Snow bird routes work well for a off peak departure time from LGA.
Is YOW the first casualty of the planned drawdown of CR2's? maybe when the 717 is on property in sufficient numbers a daily rotation LGA-YOW makes sense.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8444 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 12):
I don't feel like US used their slots to push into as much new ground as Delta did at LaGuardia, both because of the quantity of new slots and the large presence US had before the deal.

Much of the US network from LGA was holdover routes from the old days of Allegheny, Piedmont and Mohawk. Many slots were used on multiple frequencies to in-state markets as well as many other close-by Northeast markets. DL has no such heritage in the region and so appears on the surface to have chosen a "better" variety of routes.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
Well, it appears there are cuts in pretty much all the US* routes from BOS in December outside of PIT. And BOS-LGA on E190's has got to be horrible with the end of the LGA focus city. BOS-SYR & BOS-MDT have horrible loads (~50%). BOS-BUF & BOS-RIC do better, but B6 is setting fare levels in these markets and US* uses high-cost ZW CRJ's.

BOS as anything more than a 100% spoke for US is very, very short for this world. I feel like US is using BOS to park some RJs they can't use elsewhere, for the moment.


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 715 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8342 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
I don't see how UA maintains any frequent flyer program loyalty in the short-haul markets. Even DL beats them for schedule in a number of these markets.

They don't. I was a (Premier) UA FF out of LAX for business and pleasure for 8 years along with former co-workers. What business UA didn't lose from their usually horrible customer service and complete inability to deal with irregular operations was lost by downgauging mainline flights to express planes, especially on longer routes like PDX and SEA. Sorry UA, FF miles or no, I'm not sitting in a CRJ for 2.5 hours and neither were many of my co-workers who abandoned the airline in droves, mostly for WN short-haul and/or AA.

Out of LAX, I think UA does pretty well with those flying to SFO and/or connecting to Asia and maybe some leftover UA loyalists heading to IAD, JFK (and now EWR), and ORD, but I can't imagine there's much else left.

Back on topic, mad props to enilria for taking the time and effort to compile these week after week. They are always the first thread I read when I see them pop up.  



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25 Post contains images enilria : I think I consider LGA-PHL a taxi trip and not a route, but I guess this is the third to die? Not a great start. True, but YOW is just as dumb as DCA
26 ORDBOSEWR : You should join us at Newark. It is a common occurrence here, think ewr-msp as one example.
27 MaverickM11 : What's backfilling these drops?
28 Post contains images AVLAirlineFreq : It's better than porn, right?
29 Post contains images PHX787 : Haaaaaaaa Maybe! If the airline gets renamed to...oh, let's say DL or AA
30 FlyPNS1 : Why is DCA-PNS dumb? The O&D between metro DC and PNS ranges from 200-300 passengers daily depending on season. Not to mention any connections th
31 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I'm under no illusions of grandeur in predicting or holding my breath for AS international widebody longhaul service. ........ But a guy can dream. -
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : That}s interesting. I would have thought a 57 was standard equipment for the legacies to ANC. With the belly freight opportuny and all. I can honestl
33 Post contains images enilria : Nothing yet I don't think. They might have added some Florida. She'd be peeved we weren't doing that together. According to MIDT booking data (since
34 HPRamper : Holdover from HP. Was Airbus for years out of both PHX and LAS, usually a 319 1x daily out of both. I'm not sure if HP ever put the 757 on the route
35 wn676 : US ran a 757 for one month back in 2007 IIRC. For whatever reason it didn't seem to work out too well for them seeing as how long it lasted, although
36 seabosdca : US 757s are basically Hawaii and TATL aircraft at this point. There aren't many left and it's rare (although it does happen) to see them in other pla
37 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Before UA completely discontinued ELP-LAX, it had become a CR-2 route. But OO knew its Fort Bliss customers well and always had the drinks trollies f
38 PHLwok : Well, the East 757s are used quite a bit to the Caribbean from CLT and PHL, and more so in the winter when there is less transatlantic flying with th
39 Post contains images SurfandSnow : I would expect routes like these to be the first ones on the chopping block with the significant reduction in RJ capacity. They would have never adde
40 FlyASAGuy2005 : Aren}t they a regular to the likes of SXM and STT, etc?
41 HPRamper : And the flight PHX-ANC is reliably very full. On a number of occasions I considered trying to nonrev on it, until I saw the loads. Eventually I stopp
42 FlyASAGuy2005 : I}ve yet to make it to ANC for a weekend a a non-rev for this same reason. When DL was running a non-stop from ATL pre merger it was always full or i
43 MaverickM11 : They all seem to stop 06JAN13
44 PSU.DTW.SCE : These are all December-only reductions, much of it related to the drop in business related travel during the month and around the holidays, plus the
45 PHLwok : Yes. As well as SJU, AUA, etc.
46 FlyPNS1 : You ignore that YOW-LGA is already flown by AC making DL the second carrier to fly the route. AC+DL combined have 6 flights a day on LGA-YOW which is
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not me! LOL
48 seabosdca : Yes, you're right. I should have thrown the Caribbean in there too.
49 RWA380 : Cool, the 787 would look awesome in AS colors. I think AS has tapped most of the low hanging fruit from SEA, PDX and ANC, I would say that if AS want
50 Post contains images enilria : True and funny! Enilria's Art of Airline War RULE 1: Do not fight for something not worth fighting for That's true. I wonder if they would do well fl
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