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Skywest Might Operate For AA  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

Apparently rumor is that AA-Skywest might announce a deal as early as this week covering flying.

Reportedly it covers about 24 aircraft based at LAX and DFW beginning this fall.

Story:
SkyWest to do flying for American Airlines?
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...flying-for-american-airlines.html/

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p.s. - forgot to add, but this might go hand in hand with the long time rumor that they were looking to close the AE LAX base as part of the broader basing review. (reportedly the standalone West Coast operation is quite costly --- they even have Chicago crews running the CRJ700 flights to avoid having to beef up the base)

[Edited 2012-09-11 21:16:20]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13913 times:

I must say that I really do like OO. I don}t get to fly them much (may 7 round trips a year) but its always been a hit and not a miss. My most recent flight on US, PHX-SAN (OO CR2) id have to say was the best servie ive ever recieved on an RJ.

Anyway, I guess now that the contract is out the window, AA has to get its ducks in a row.

I can see the CR2s being place holders until SKW/AA can actually aquire large RJs. As of right now, all on the OO/EV side are under contract and they can{t really shuffle them around that that tells me some new frames are coming down the pipe.

[Edited 2012-09-11 21:15:30]


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User currently offlinemiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13882 times:

Let the games begin...


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13884 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Reportedly it covers about 24 aircraft based at LAX and DFW beginning this fall.

I'm guessing that they're interested in taking over some of the 50 seaters that US and DL want shed?

Or are these aircraft being taken from different airlines?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

And dont forget - OO will have some free CRJ200s after they agreed to revised terms with Delta.

SkyWest Pushes Back On Delta Regarding 50 Seat RJs (by LAXintl Jul 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13834 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
I'm guessing that they're interested in taking over some of the 50 seaters that US and DL want shed?

Or are these aircraft being taken from different airlines?

I guess it depends on how many they will have to start but OO isnt exactly hurting for CR2s as it is. They have quite a few in house colors that are used as needed on all sides and some that just sit as spares. I know in MSP, they had 3 RJs just sitting there for weeks. One was parked at F15 (whatever the gate is on the end of the F) and the other two were parked on the Delta ramp across from the G. I finally asked WTH they were doing there and if they were broken and I was told they were just excess a/c and had nowhere to park them in the other big OO cities so they were ferried to MSP.

Anyway, with that being said, Delta]s official plan for the 50 seat reduction and large RJ increase will be made public in the coming weeks according to Ed Bastian so we shall see.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13817 times:

While I don't doubt that OO would be among the carriers to be brought in to supplement AA service, the terms that are mentioned here seem odd. 24 frames to be split between Expressjet and SkyWest that are 50 seaters? If the contract is for 24 50 seaters, then why does it need to be split between both carriers? And with the 1113 ruling, you will think scope will be relaxed. If this deal isn't announced yet, then why wouldn't it be for larger planes? And is AMR going to be shedding ERJ's in the bankruptcy case as well.

As I said, I think it is very likely that SkyWest and Republic are both in talks with AA about new flying and I do think one if not both companies will be brought in. I just find the terms that this article has mentioned to be very strange.


User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13818 times:

I wonder if that adds to the rumor that AA and EMB have a deal to swap out the smaller jets for 170s. Maybe Eagle will be flying more 170s and less 135/40/45.

[Edited 2012-09-11 21:25:22]

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13547 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 6):
While I don't doubt that OO would be among the carriers to be brought in to supplement AA service, the terms that are mentioned here seem odd. 24 frames to be split between Expressjet and SkyWest that are 50 seaters? If the contract is for 24 50 seaters, then why does it need to be split between both carriers?

Well, since they're talking about CRJ-200's, they aren't going to come from XJET. Those planes are owned by DL. I suspect he said from both OO and XJET since it's going to be a deal with INC, and not the individual airlines.



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User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13455 times:

In essence, what appears will happen:

12 OO 200s for LAX
12 EV frames for DFW - allegedly for new market flying.
AE aircraft currently based at LAX will be transferred to (likely) MIA, though rumor is suggesting (some to) SJU.
AE CRJ 700s will continue to fly through LAX.
AE LAX crew based - closed
Ground handling at LAX will continue under the auspices of Eagles' ground handling arm.

Formal announcement expected tomorrow (Wed 09/12).

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
forgot to add, but this might go hand in hand with the long time rumor that they were looking to close the AE LAX base as part of the broader basing review. (reportedly the standalone West Coast operation is quite costly --- they even have Chicago crews running the CRJ700 flights to avoid having to beef up the base)

Prior to bk, the plan was actually to establish stand alone CR7 base.

Quoting apodino (Reply 6):
...If this deal isn't announced yet, then why wouldn't it be for larger planes? And is AMR going to be shedding ERJ's in the bankruptcy case as well.
Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 7):
wonder if that adds to the rumor that AA and EMB have a deal to swap out the smaller jets for 170s. Maybe Eagle will be flying more 170s and less 135/40/45.

Looking around the regional industry, most of the larger RJ are spoken for via contract. It will take awhile for any carrier that may be tabbed for contract AA flying to acquire a sufficient number of frames.
As far as shedding ERJs - I reckon this is partly why a portion of the flying will be outsourced. The 135s will definitely leave. Bulk of (if not all) 140s - gone. Many 145s, excepting 'newer' frames, will leave the Eagle fleet. The rumor regarding fleet has AE/AMR doing 2 (small ERJs) for 1 (larger RJ) swaps.

Edit - appears that the "new market" flying will be new for EV, as it will apparently take over some of the short-hop RJ flying (i.e. TXK, SHV, GGG, ACT) ex-DFW.

[Edited 2012-09-11 23:57:32]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13320 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

Well, since they're talking about CRJ-200's, they aren't going to come from XJET. Those planes are owned by DL. I suspect he said from both OO and XJET since it's going to be a deal with INC, and not the individual airlines.

Actually, DL doesn}t directly own any of EVs CR2s. They hold the lease on a very small hand full (that EV sub leases) but thats about it. DL got out of a lot of the a'c they owned by way of EV in their bk. If you mean they´re "under contract" by DL, then yes and no. The frames are swapped around A LOT. They just picked up one in 2010 that belonged to Comair, was suppose to go to OO, but ended up with EV as an ATL based RJ (confusing). THE UAX CR2s all flew for DL at one point as well.

Quoting aaway (Reply 9):
It will take awhile for any carrier that may be tabbed for contract AA flying to acquire a sufficient number of frames.

Exactly my point in my original post. 50 seaters are dreaded at the moment but capacity is capacity until they can get enough large RJs on property.

Quoting aaway (Reply 9):
Edit - appears that the "new market" flying will be new for EV, as it will apparently take over some of the short-hop RJ flying (i.e. TXK, SHV, GGG, ACT) ex-DFW.

My how things seem to always come full circle. DFW was quite the base for EV up until DL shut down the DFW hub in 2005. Many folks transfered to ATL with that deal.

Quoting apodino (Reply 6):
While I don't doubt that OO would be among the carriers to be brought in to supplement AA service, the terms that are mentioned here seem odd. 24 frames to be split between Expressjet and SkyWest that are 50 seaters? If the contract is for 24 50 seaters, then why does it need to be split between both carriers? And with the 1113 ruling, you will think scope will be relaxed. If this deal isn't announced yet, then why wouldn't it be for larger planes? And is AMR going to be shedding ERJ's in the bankruptcy case as well.

I think your}e complicating it a bit. Its not that it NEEDS to be split but operationally, thats probably how SKW felt it would work out best. Geographically speaking, it makes sense. OO is already big at LAX and in the west coast. EV owns the other part of the country. As for large RJs, they wont be getting them in very short order even they put an order in with Embraer or BBD tomorrow morning. As far as I know, there are no large RJs just sitting on the open market in North America to be had. EV/OO got their used CR7s by way of Horizon shedding them. DL had to get 170s all the way from Virgin to fund the extra flying for S5 and CP last year. The Comair CR7s and CR9s are already spoken for. 9Es 16 ATL based CR9s are spoken for. These will most likely be factory fresh frames unless a deal can be brokered outside the country.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13038 times:

Just confirmed on our employee site, JetNet.

User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13025 times:

Official Company Statement.

Subject: American Takes an Important Step in Diversifying Regional Feed


Summary

Today, we have entered into an agreement with SkyWest and ExpressJet, wholly owned subsidiaries of SkyWest, Inc., to provide 50-seat regional jet feed. American has agreed to have SkyWest provide service from our Los Angeles hub and ExpressJet from our Dallas/Fort Worth hub. Service begins Nov. 15, 2012 and Feb. 15, 2013 respectively. Both carriers will fly under the American Eagle brand.


Key Points

• This development is consistent with our objective to diversify regional feed as part of our business plan to help American emerge a much stronger airline. With today’s announcement we are carrying out an important part our business plan.

• 23 aircraft will be covered under the agreement announced today. SkyWest will have 12 aircraft in Los Angeles, and ExpressJet will have 11 aircraft in Dallas/Fort Worth.

• American Eagle will close its Los Angeles pilot and flight attendant domiciles; however, they will continue to provide CRJ-700 feed and will continue to provide regional ground handling services at the LAX hub.

• As a result of the rebranding exercise, we will eventually discontinue the use of the AmericanConnection brand and will use the American Eagle brand for all of our regional partners. All other mainlines have one brand for their regional partners.

• Chautauqua Airlines will still provide regional feed, 15 jets, for American out of the Chicago hub and will fly under the AmericanConnection brand until that livery and brand are phased out.

• American Eagle Airlines will still continue to be the main provider of regional feed from our DFW, MIA, NYC and ORD hubs.


N737AA


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12990 times:

Makes sense. AMR is now, with greater contractual flexibility, getting to take advantage of the competitive bidding for regional feed that Delta, United and USAirways have been so effectively using for years. SkyWest is a great operator, and it makes sense that these jets would be primarily based in the west, where SkyWest already has a huge operational critical mass.

Quoting apodino (Reply 6):
While I don't doubt that OO would be among the carriers to be brought in to supplement AA service, the terms that are mentioned here seem odd. 24 frames to be split between Expressjet and SkyWest that are 50 seaters? If the contract is for 24 50 seaters, then why does it need to be split between both carriers? And with the 1113 ruling, you will think scope will be relaxed.

It was probably simply that AMR put out an RFP for flying, and SkyWest responded with the jets they had available at that time. I doubt AMR much cares which operating certificate the jets are on as long as the flying is cost-competitive - they likely let SkyWest work out the details of which specific frames, etc.

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 7):
I wonder if that adds to the rumor that AA and EMB have a deal to swap out the smaller jets for 170s. Maybe Eagle will be flying more 170s and less 135/40/45.

AMR will be flying more large RJs - the only question is when, how many, and which operating certificate. And, long-term, they will definitely be flying less 37-50-seat jets - that, too, is just a question of when.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 12):
Official Company Statement.

Subject: American Takes an Important Step in Diversifying Regional Feed

Interesting - no mention of where, if anywhere, the displaced EMBs will be going. I suspect that will just be used to backfill 37-seaters that Eagle is no doubt eager to get rid of as soon as possible

Quoting N737AA (Reply 12):
As a result of the rebranding exercise, we will eventually discontinue the use of the AmericanConnection brand and will use the American Eagle brand for all of our regional partners. All other mainlines have one brand for their regional partners.

That's good. It should all be under the 'Eagle' brand.


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12937 times:

In addition to the official PR. This is what Brad Holt had to say:


"Over the past two years we’ve faced significant challenges as we’ve worked through the requirements to become a single carrier, integrate our processes and procedures, and at the same time, improve our operational performance and efficiency. Thanks to everyone’s hard work we have made much progress in all of these areas.

We have also worked with each of our major partners for some time now to improve our agreements, realign contracts and develop the fleet of the future. You have seen some of the results of this work recently as we announced that we are taking delivery of additional two-class aircraft for Delta, and today, I’m happy to announce that we are entering into a new, four-year capacity purchase agreement (CPA) with American Airlines.

This is great news for our company and another positive step forward to ensure a solid future. I know there will be a significant number of questions about our new partnership, and over the next few weeks we will dive deeper into those details, but for now, I wanted to be sure everyone is aware of these key points:

 The four-year CPA is for 11 CRJ200 aircraft flying under the American Airlines code beginning January 2013.
 All 11 aircraft will shift out of our Delta Connection program beginning in November 2012 to start transitioning to the American operating and paint specs.
 ExpressJet will begin operating five aircraft under the American code in January and six more in February 2013.
 ExpressJet’s American schedule will be concentrated out of Dallas/Ft. Worth (DFW), where we plan to open a crew base and a small Line Maintenance operation to support the service.

Diversification is an important aspect of any successful portfolio, and the airline business is no different. With the airline industry rapidly changing – on what seems like a daily basis lately – the leadership team has been working on your behalf to position ExpressJet to take advantage of future opportunities. Without your proven hard work and dedication to running a great operation, we would not get a shot at opportunities like this one."


User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12905 times:

Quoting aaway (Reply 9):
AE LAX crew based - closed

Too bad. I flew American Eagle many times LAX-SBA and it ran very efficiently.

Best wishes for the affected employees. These are difficult times.

David


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
I finally asked WTH they were doing there and if they were broken and I was told they were just excess a/c and had nowhere to park them in the other big OO cities so they were ferried to MSP.

OO constantly seems to have more aircraft parked on their pad at BNA than they are actually working on. I expect some of the other smaller m/x stations may be similar.



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User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12715 times:

I wonder if we will see any CR7's transferred to MIA and if they are planning expanding Eagle flying at MIA as well?

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12669 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 17):
I wonder if we will see any CR7's transferred to MIA and if they are planning expanding Eagle flying at MIA as well?

I thought the plan was to move regional jets to MIA to cover the ex-ATR routes.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12616 times:

For LAX and the West Coast, I think this is realization AE has had long time cost problems with the operation out here, and its simply cheaper to turn it over to others to operate. Even during the Saab 340 days there was talk that the numbers did not add up and the base was in danger.

Good for OO. They have free planes coming off lease at Delta and can certainly offer AMR some good efficiency of scale pricing.

Regarding the AE Embraer fleet, keep in mind AMR has yet to accept those aircraft and has sought repeated extensions in BK court.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12458 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
For LAX and the West Coast, I think this is realization AE has had long time cost problems with the operation out here, and its simply cheaper to turn it over to others to operate. Even during the Saab 340 days there was talk that the numbers did not add up and the base was in danger.

I think to a large extent the LAX base always suffered from a challenge of scale - because it was always isolated and separate from the rest of the Eagle network, especially during the Wings West days when it was literally a separate company, it was never able to achieve the economies of scale that helped other bases (especially DFW and ORD, of course).

Nonetheless, I remember several years back when it was being suggested by some that AA would discontinue the LAX Eagle flying altogether. So I'm happy to see AA keeping Eagle in LAX, albeit operated by a different company. For the customer, this will have little to no impact beyond the CRJs being (in my opinion) less comfortable than the ERJs.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Good for OO. They have free planes coming off lease at Delta and can certainly offer AMR some good efficiency of scale pricing.

Agreed. Makes infinite sense for both parties.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Regarding the AE Embraer fleet, keep in mind AMR has yet to accept those aircraft and has sought repeated extensions in BK court.

As was earlier suggested, I would not at all be surprised to see movement on that at some point in the not to distant future now that AA is no longer bound by the previous scope provisions, and I also would not at all be surprised to see Embraer and AMR come to some sort of a "grand bargain" deal involving the return of many of Eagle's existing RJs (especially the 135s) and a sizable purchase for new EJets.


User currently offlineaaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12182 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
Interesting - no mention of where, if anywhere, the displaced EMBs will be going. I suspect that will just be used to backfill 37-seaters that Eagle is no doubt eager to get rid of as soon as possible

A portion of that backfill is for the remaining ATRs.

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):
As was earlier suggested, I would not at all be surprised to see movement on that at some point in the not to distant future now that AA is no longer bound by the previous scope provisions, and I also would not at all be surprised to see Embraer and AMR come to some sort of a "grand bargain" deal involving the return of many of Eagle's existing RJs (especially the 135s) and a sizable purchase for new EJets.

The rumor is that AMR and Embraer have already conducted extensive discussions, and the basic framework, replete with financing, is in place. But the key word is "discussions". As with any business deal, the preliminaries are sub-rosa. Obviously terms and conditions may change until such time that contracts are let.

It's felt that a contract proposal will be submitted while in bk, but AMR just needs more clarity with regard to its status as an ongoing concern.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

I wonder what will happen with ground handling at the smaller West Coast stations longer term ?
I can see OO being to able to handle AE for less cost than maintaining these standalone stations.
For example SBA is a good example where OO already handles DL and UA, so adding AA to the portfolio should not necessitate much more staffing or equipment.


Regarding the grand bargain with Embraer, that might indeed be in works -- the new scope allows for up to 88 seaters - basically a 2 class E190.



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User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
For example SBA is a good example where OO already handles DL and UA, so adding AA to the portfolio should not necessitate much more staffing or equipment.

It should work well, though in this particular case Delta dropped SBA some time ago.   Delta doesn't even codeshare with AS into SBA.

David

[Edited 2012-09-12 08:15:58]

User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

I believe this way to go for AA/AMR. Contracting out the smaller RJ flying, but keeping the larger flying in house.I eventually see the ERJ's 135/140/145 remaining in eagle colors but being operated by OO/EV and the larger CRJ's and/or E-jets by AE.

25 doug_Or : Somewhat ironically AE actually won the contract this spring to handle many of the OO stations out west. SBA, SAN, MRY, PDX, and a few others as well
26 Alias1024 : I wouldn't be so sure. OO lost many of their ground handling contracts for UA on the west coast recently. In fact, SBA was among those, with the last
27 SJUSXM : Somewhat lost in this discussion is that this means a slight capacity increase if the Erj flights are replaced 1:1. All the lax eagle planes are e140s
28 enilria : It makes no sense for them to do any more 50 seater flying. I can only guess they are going to decimate the Eagle ERJ fleet and for some reason they'
29 LAXintl : AE ALPA not happy --- Letter to pilots with a bit more details. Wednesday, September 12, 2012 Fellow American Eagle Pilots: Last week, we distributed
30 RyanairGuru : Not really, this contract only runs for 3 years rather than the 15 that DL wisely committed themselves to. For these aircraft to be replaced by 70 se
31 commavia : Not at all. This makes total sense. It's true that much if any 50-seat flying makes little sense with this environment, but at the same time it's als
32 Post contains links miaami : More info on moving AE aircraft from LAX to other bases. http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...arance-of-american-connection.html
33 rfields5421 : The one funny part of the story is that some of the Dallas news media are trying to make a big deal about Skywest flying for US Airways Express on som
34 pu : Isn't it nteresting that SkyWest is, I believe, now flying for all the US legacies? An Aeroflot of a regional airline in the making? Would it be so ba
35 FlyASAGuy2005 : Quick. I suspect we shall hear something from DL about the 50 seater draw-down pretty soon. At the last big meeting they sad "in the coming weeks". B
36 flyby519 : I think this is only half of the picture. Republic will be the counter balance to Skywest and I believe they fly for all legacies as well. I wouldnt
37 apodino : Though not mentioned much in this forum, Republic is going to be there as well as I am sure they will get into the mix (In fact they already are sinc
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Actually, they}re slowly taking over a lot of the OH routes. Its very gradual and will happen through the rest of this month until the 29th. Seems li
39 flyby519 : That could be, although OH was already at the end of a long drawn out process of being shut down and at a much smaller size than MQ is currently. It
40 floridaflyboy : No, there are currently not any E170s flying for F9. The only aircraft RJET flies for F9 are 15 E90s (5 to be returned to US, 5 to be re-deployed in
41 KGRB : Great news for SkyWest and ExpressJet. In my opinion these are two of the finest regional airlines in the US and it's nice to see them rewarded for th
42 kingcavalier : Letter from Chip Childs - Date: 9.12.12 To: SkyWest Airlines Team Members From: Chip Childs Re: A New Partnership with American Airlines; CRJ200 trans
43 PHX787 : Im not one to speak for OO, but aren't they open-shop?
44 Acey559 : I think it's crap. I can't wait to see my airline's name plastered all over some other feeder's airplane. Call me dramatic or whatever you want, but
45 flyby519 : Yea, MQ CEO issued some letter saying that would be part of the process coming soon.
46 airliner371 : With this new flying, where will the cuts be? What planes at Eagle will be ditched?
47 Acey559 : ATRs which was already planned, as well as accelerated retirements/reallocation of the 135s and 140s.
48 cosyr : - American Eagle [operated by American Eagle Airlines]. soon to be known as - American Eagle [operated by something else]. eventually to be known as -
49 CIDFlyer : With rumors abounding of a new AA livery/rebranding...how soon do you think AA will be on this if they are going to start repainting these aircraft? A
50 commavia : Agreed that makes total sense. Also, interestingly, I have heard that AMR has now published to the pilots their plans for implementation of the hybri
51 flyby519 : Ive heard the same with regards to the 79seat scope. Also, that Embraer/AMR have discussed financing and options to return E135/140/145s at a ratio e
52 commavia : Yep - again, not surprising. At this point, those EMBs (especially the 135s and older 145s) have very little market value anyway, and I doubt AMR wou
53 Post contains links LAXintl : In letter to APA, AMR advises that it will put out a RFP for a carrier to provide commuter service using jets up to 79 seats. http://aviationblog.dall
54 jfklganyc : So the union (APA) gets mowed over by BK court? AA can just shove these changes down the throats of employees without going to the negotiating table.
55 flyby519 : Youve dealt with AMR before, would you deal with them again without a union?
56 Post contains images lightsaber : IMHO, this shows how quick of a race we'll see AMR switch to larger RJ flying. I thought that until I saw how short the contract is for. Four years is
57 FlyASAGuy2005 : Exactly why DL converted all their 40 (maybe it was 44) seat CR2 to 50 seaters over 5 years ago. I remember them distinctly. In the first row (where
58 NW747-400 : Ahhhh the 40 seaters. How I miss them. We never had any weight problems with those birds. Rows 1, 2, and 14 were replaced with giant closets. You can
59 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : I seem to always speak to soon shhh
60 Goldenshield : When it comes to bids for service, the lowest bidder is not always the winner... Also, this is just an initial contract with AA. There's no bidding w
61 FlyASAGuy2005 : You}ve got mail.
62 Cubsrule : It's a backfill for Saab capacity and is, I think, temporary. XE apparently figured that bringing back smaller aircraft they already owned was cheape
63 FlyASAGuy2005 : Absolutely right.
64 aaway : Correct - this new OO/AMR arrangement is really opportunistic for both sides. As others have mentioned, OO has plenty of unused 50 seat capacity not
65 WhatUsaid : Really, this is a sad move. We are basically into generic regional airline service in the West. At FAT, we have OO for UA, DL, US, AS and now AA. OO i
66 Goldenshield : To be fair, Ops is no longer run by OO.
67 OB1504 : This makes sense, and also rules out the possibility of an order for new ATR 72s. Isn't the Embraer 190 considered to be a mainline jet by most Ameri
68 floridaflyboy : How exactly does that "rule out the possibility?" If they order new ATR's down the road, they just move the RJ's back as the new ATR's come in. Not t
69 flyby519 : I know this has been discussed before (ATR v Q400) but Republic could add Q400 flying in a heartbeat since they have the certificate and training pro
70 floridaflyboy : Very true. Would absolutely LOVE to see the Q400 at AA!!
71 lightsaber : A four way bid and it wasn't competitive? AMR didn't award in a vacuum. They certainly bid to have RJ service at LAX at far reduced costs. AMR certai
72 Goldenshield : Actually, they did. With the latest TA, there's plenty of room for others right now.
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