jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8843 times:
Wow! Very surprised! Just when I thought B6 was done adding domestic cities from JFK, we get Charleston added to the route map.
Out of curiosity, what is the market like? Will B6 see any non-stop competition from NYC or Boston?
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airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8832 times:
WOW... just last year Southwest now JetBlue... Congratulations to Charleston!
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8766 times:
lat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 447 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8394 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 4): WOW! Awesome! I too thought they were done domestically at JFK
B6 is starting Providence just after Thanksgiving with MCO and FLL but no JFK. I hope like CHS, PVD will get access to B6's vast connectivity at JFK right around the same time. The legacys certainly aren't doing much at these medium cities and many like them so bring on the competition.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8292 times:
Quoting lat41 (Reply 8): B6 is starting Providence just after Thanksgiving with MCO and FLL but no JFK. I hope like CHS, PVD will get access to B6's vast connectivity at JFK right around the same time. The legacys certainly aren't doing much at these medium cities and many like them so bring on the competition.
There's hardly any O&D air travel between Providence and New York - Amtrak takes 3 hours on the Regional, and it's even less on Acela. By the time one drives out to PVD, goes through the TSA smoke and mirrors show, flies to New York and then goes to Midtown, it's a push at best.
And with a plane of flow traffic not having the best yields since there's no higher yielding local people, plus limited slots, why waste it on JFK-PVD.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8203 times:
Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9): And with a plane of flow traffic not having the best yields since there's no higher yielding local people, plus limited slots, why waste it on JFK-PVD.
While I agree peak period slots are more valuable, there are other times of the day that could support flights. Local demand for PVD-NYC is difficult to guage because no oen has provided quality service in the past decade. CO used to run 10x ATR-72's on top of 10-12x BEX S340's to LGA. Not implying that kind of frequency, but 3x on unrelable aircraft to unrelaible airports (EWR/LGA today compared to 10-15 years ago) drove service away. But there two components:
Reliability - B6 would provide a much mroe relaiable/reputable service than in the past (plus there is currently no LGA or JFK service options at all)
Feed - Even with little O&D, PVD can generate a signficiant amount of feed for the B6 network in both the carribean and west coast networks. Planes that fly more full thanks to additional feed will generate a higher overall yeild from local passengers as a result.
CO 757-300 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8092 times:
Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1): Out of curiosity, what is the market like?
there's a growing tech community there, some creative industries, and a decent sized arts scene - all should provide some traffic for these B6 flights to NYC & BOS... in addition to the shipping / port related business.
the city- while small has some affluence to it (some from up north with second homes, wealthy retirees, ect.) the weekends, holidays, and summer should provide some tourism lift as well.
i think B6 is a good fit for CHS, glad to see a good airline offering service to this beautiful city.
caTIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2277 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8041 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.
I think it may be coming. BOS is the most popular final destination for travelers originating in SAV, so it makes sense on a number of levels for B6 to open up BOS out of SAV at a minimum.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8016 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10): While I agree peak period slots are more valuable, there are other times of the day that could support flights. Local demand for PVD-NYC is difficult to guage because no oen has provided quality service in the past decade. CO used to run 10x ATR-72's on top of 10-12x BEX S340's to LGA.
Again with TSA screenings being what they are today it's probably cheaper and quicker to drive, take a bus or Amtrak most of the time from Rhode Island to the Tri-State area. UA has four daily to EWR which probably caters mostly to connections.
Kcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7969 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7): I would have certainly guessed SAV first with no LCC competition at all.
Haven't you heard? Chasing competition is all the rage nowdays.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7908 times:
WOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I think I speak for us CHS spotters when I say that this is AWESOME news! Not only are we getting new spotting material and the fun of guessing which tail scheme we will see but we get one of the best airlines in America! Great job CHS!
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7829 times:
Correct me if I'm wrong-----is this first ever CHS-BOS nonstop??
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7590 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17): Correct me if I'm wrong-----is this first ever CHS-BOS nonstop??
No...Delta flew it June 2006-August 2009 (generally a 1x/day CRJ, but some periods where it was 2x/day on weekends); before that US Airways flew it on weekends (generally Sat only) from June 2004-August 2006 on ERJ-145s.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7462 times:
But there is something to be said about how it has been doing as a market. Weekly regionals to daily regionals, to daily mainline! Pretty darn good if you ask me!
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6506 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19): But there is something to be said about how it has been doing as a market. Weekly regionals to daily regionals, to daily mainline! Pretty darn good if you ask me!
Well there has been a three year hiatus on the route. Granted you weren't going to see many legacies hop on it - US and DL have pulled way back on their regional operations out of Boston that they had in the mid-2000s.
Noise From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 1566 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6266 times:
Another city in the Eastern US, and no new additions in the Midwest or West Coast! Hmmmm...glad it's another domestic, but there's a huge gap in their network. No STL, BNA, MEM, MSP, SAN, IND, DTW and no ATL!
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4963 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6191 times:
Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 1): Wow! Very surprised! Just when I thought B6 was done adding domestic cities from JFK, we get Charleston added to the route map.
I'm not too surprised, I think it's B6 wanting to increase a dominance on the east. Good news for CHS IMO
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 852 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6090 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 23): I would think MYR would be a good market for B6, plenty of demand from BOS and NY. Not sure if NK would scare them off though.
NK doesnt seem to play the turf wars game very much. They just close up shop and move onto the next city.
25 airliner371: Yields would be WAY to low at MYR. This has been right in the past but recently this would be wrong. DFW, IAH, BWI are just a few examples.
26 MAV88: Didn't US used to serve BOS-SAV? In any event, nice to see B6 expanding and make BOS of that expansion.
27 spiritair97: I agree. I have been spending half the year in Myrtle Beach for about 4 years and have made many friends. I can think of 5 that are from Massachusets
28 BOStonsox: I think it was actually DL, but I could be wrong. Well, how many more East Coast cities are there? PHL, MYR, SAV, and ATL are really it. Yeah, even t
30 RyanairGuru: What about ORF? Also maybe more FL to Daytona Beach, Melbourne and Pensacola (not strictly east coast)
31 rampart: I don't think the point is to fly commuters from Rhode Island to New York. The O&D argument is ridiculous. The point is to connect them to the ai
32 NWADTWE16: B6 ROUTE PLANNERS! Are you reading this? COME TO DTW
33 spiritair97: LOL! Their holdup with DTW could be the same reason they cut ATL. Delta. They couldn;t stand on their own against DL at ATL, given DTW is not as big
34 JetBlueGuy2006: While it still surprises me that they haven't come to Michigan, I wonder if they would actually consider going to GRR. the FL/WN presence isn't huge;
35 spiritair97: Seems like it could work if B6 were to try!
36 BOStonsox: FWIW, some here believe the only reason B6 is in SLC and once had a few non-hub routes out of it was because that was where David Neeleman was from.
37 spiritair97: I love to see new airlines (and old ones, in this case) being brought to life, but with PEOPLExpress, I'll believe it when I see it.
38 jetbluefan1: B6 is now much, much larger than it was when it originally went into ATL. They have significantly more "staying power", capital, brand awareness, and
39 spiritair97: You're right on all accounts. I have flown NK and B6 and I am so glad I have a new way to get to SC without NK or US throgh CLT. As for ATL and DTW,
40 airliner371: Unless they planned on flying many flights, why can't they just use a Common Use Gate? They could in that theory come in at any time then.
41 JBAirwaysFan: DAB would almost definitely be a JFK only route. They have the pax for NY, not so muich Boston. The thing about DAB is if B6 entered the market with
42 spiritair97: Agreed, probably a daily a320 to JFK, similar to what they have at SRQ.
43 JBAirwaysFan: It would probably be 2x E190 on JFK-DAB. I know DAB is really pushing for them right now. NYC-DAB PDEW will most definitely spike on the addition of
44 spiritair97: Could be as well. BTW, I got the e-mail from JetBlue of the service being bookable. Here are the timetables: Flight 1273 Leaves JFK: 8:10am Arrives C
45 spiritair97: Just realized I forgot the BOS timetable: Flight 1669: Leaves BOS: 9:35am Arrives CHS: 12:06pm Aircraft: E-190 Return Leg: Flight 1670: Leaves CHS: 12
46 TravisNC: I've never understood that argument. I mean do people really decide not to go to a destination because there is no nonstop flight? I don't think so!
47 Azul320: If these flights do well maybe B6 can add a daily FLL-CHS-FLL turn? Pretty Please?
48 spiritair97: That's what we're hoping! Maybe a MCO turn too!
49 airliner371: I doubt either of these because CHS is a destination for B6 pax not so much a city.
50 jetbluefan1: A few reasons: Right now, people traveling to the Daytona Beach or Melbourne area may use FLL or MCO because prices are lower or there are more fligh
51 Flighty: Why do so when Delta will put hourly 753s on the route at $79 one way...
52 sweair: Does Boeing's factory make any difference for Charleston, attracting more business etc? There seems to be room for growth and having two runways is al
53 NWADTWE16: Hourly 753's haha..i doubt DL is that worried about a couple B6 flights and regardless i say B6 do it, atleast to DTW maybe not ATL..the climate for
54 doulasc: I wonder if PHL is pushing for JetBlue? I am also surprised JetBlue doesn't start a BOS-LGA(orJFK)-DCA shuttle like what Eastern had back in the day.
55 JBAirwaysFan: Couldn't have made the argument better myself! When FL and DL served LGA-DAB, PDEW between NYC and DAB was much higher, and when CO served EWR-DAB it
56 catiii: Especially with a CEO who is from Michigan! We've made that decision in the past. Using our own experiences (traveling with 3 kids over a 3 day weeke
57 Noise: Speaking of service to Florida, is there the distinct possibility of B6 doing something like JFK-MLB or even JFK-EYW?
58 airliner371: This is not possible in any world, DL just makes it to ATL yet alone JFK.[Edited 2012-09-24 10:10:10]
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