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VS To Launch LHR To EDI & ABZ  
User currently offlineeuflyer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12856 times:

Seems like VS wants to launch Scotland flights (EDI and ABZ):

http://www.virgin.com/travel/news/virgin-atlantic-heads-to-scotland

Thoughts?





[Edited 2012-09-12 03:20:47]

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User currently offlinelukeyboy95 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 1092 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

I try to remain optimistic about this move... and it is excellent that they are recognising markets north of the border.

But my feeling is that PAX have long since adjusted (and are comfortable) to the current providing. It will have to be highly competitive to come up against BA. I feel the BA brand recognition is more favourable these days it might be like starting afresh for Virgin.

As for ABZ - I don't see it. Over and above connections to Nigeria - alot of revenue on ABZ routes comes from oil sector related traffic. For leisure many people will go klm and connect in AMS.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12282 times:

The title is misleading. VS have applied for the slots that BA are giving up as part of the purchase of BD. Someone will be starting these flights, VS want it to be them. Nothing is fixed yet.

User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11941 times:

VS are launching LHR-MAN flights next March. I think that the launch of the MAN service may be to demonstrate to the authorities that VS are serious about operating UK domestic flights from LHR and are therefore a prime applicant for the former BD slots for EDI and ABZ flights that BA will surrender.

"Airliner World" in its October 2012 edition is reporting a conversation with VS CEO Steve Ridgeway. The report says:

"The airline plans to apply for all of the 'remedy' slots being awarded by the European Commission . . . but is initially using some of its existing slots - that it has leased out to other airlines - to service the [MAN} route."


User currently onlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11881 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 3):
I think that the launch of the MAN service may be to demonstrate to the authorities that VS are serious

I am sure you are right - but one of the conditions of applying for the BA 'remedy' slots is that the applicant must be using all their current slots. VS has at least two of its slots leased out [to Cyprus Airways I think] so they had to take those back into the VS fold and use them somewhere on VS metal.

I hope they will be successful in getting some remedy slots and I am looking forward to seeing what sort of service VS offer compared to the fairly standard domestic/European service offered by BA. When they first introduced long haul services VS were just that bit different [though sadly no more] so I have high hopes for something a bit innovative to distinguish themselves from the pack. Whatever they come up with can hardly be less inspiring than the BD services that they are to replace.


User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11586 times:

Sorry to be slow on the uptake here, but what equipment would they use?

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11512 times:

Quoting VS773ER (Reply 5):

It will be with an A319 I believe.



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11170 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 6):
It will be with an A319 I believe.

On wet lease. But from whom?


User currently offlineT8KE0FF From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11008 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 7):
On wet lease. But from whom?

Nothing has been said officially as yet, although I have heard a rumour from someone who is apparently in talks with VS that they'll 'borrow' a few A319's from VX. It would make sense, although I didn't really think that VX had any aircraft laying around.



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 4):
I hope they will be successful in getting some remedy slots and I am looking forward to seeing what sort of service VS offer compared to the fairly standard domestic/European service offered by BA. When they first introduced long haul services VS were just that bit different [though sadly no more] so I have high hopes for something a bit innovative to distinguish themselves from the pack. Whatever they come up with can hardly be less inspiring than the BD services that they are to replace.

VS still offer a very competitive product and have relised in the last few years they needed to up their game again... They are spending alot of cash of product & service improvement.

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 2):
The title is misleading. VS have applied for the slots that BA are giving up as part of the purchase of BD. Someone will be starting these flights, VS want it to be them. Nothing is fixed yet.

I agree the title is mis-leading, VS have only applied for the slots that IAG have to give up as part of the BA/BMI merger. However, if VS get them - they will have to be used on those Scottish routes (for 3 years at least).

Fingers crossed the VS short haul network works.

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 8):
Nothing has been said officially as yet, although I have heard a rumour from someone who is apparently in talks with VS that they'll 'borrow' a few A319's from VX. It would make sense, although I didn't really think that VX had any aircraft laying around.

I don't know that this is true, because the aircraft and crew will be leased to VS. VS crew's will not be manning the flights.



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7566 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

Quoting T8KE0FF (Reply 8):
Nothing has been said officially as yet, although I have heard a rumour from someone who is apparently in talks with VS that they'll 'borrow' a few A319's from VX. It would make sense, although I didn't really think that VX had any aircraft laying around.

I think that VS will need to demonstrate to the authorities that no suitable aircraft registered in the EU are available for wet lease before they will be allowed to lease aircraft from outside the EU.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Would seem to be good business sense to provide some O&D and also feed their international flights. Hope it turns out well for them.

User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 10):
I think that VS will need to demonstrate to the authorities that no suitable aircraft registered in the EU are available for wet lease before they will be allowed to lease aircraft from outside the EU.

I agree... I think EI will operate the flights !



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2663 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

I'll believe it when I see the flight numbers on the arrivals and departures boards.


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

EI would seem more plausible than VX - especially as it is a wet lease ie all crews and aircraft so it would need to be an EU carrier.

[Edited 2012-09-12 17:26:10]

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5763 times:
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Wasn't there talk VS was going to get a couple of leased A321s?

User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
I agree... I think EI will operate the flights !

EI have expressed an interest in operating these routes for themselves - although it is possible that if they do get them, that they'll have a VS codeshare.


User currently offlineaamd11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Wasn't there also a stipulation that the winner of the remedy slots would have to operate the routes with their own metal? Or did I imagine that?

User currently offlinesam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 9):
Fingers crossed the VS short haul network works.

If BD couldn't fly UK domestic routes from LHR profitably (with the Star Alliance to feed into), I really don't see how VS think they can make any money.

I give them 18 months on LHR domestic routes before they pull them...

[Edited 2012-09-15 09:05:06]


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