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AA 767 Parked At SAN  
User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1491 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Hello fellow San Diegan a.net experts:

For the past several weeks I've noticed an AA 767 with winglets parked during the day over by the Jimsair apron. It seems it is parked for most of the day when I've driven down the I-5. I know AA flies a 767 to JFK in the morning and a flight returns around 6 p.m. or so, but what schedule is AA following that has a big aircraft like this parked for most of the day? The utilization doesn't seem very efficient, but then I'm not in the airline industry so I have no idea.

Any thoughts, information?

I must say it is a nice surprise seeing that big shiny bird parked!

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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8822 times:
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Possibly it was one used for the JFK flight but down for mechanical?


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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 1):
Possibly it was one used for the JFK flight but down for mechanical?

I can't imagine it being parked on a mechanical issue - it's been there for a few weeks I think. (What sort of mechanical would require a plane be parked for so long?) OTOH, I can't see the registration, so I don't know if it's one plane, or if AA is parking the 767s between flights.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 2):

This sort of things happens. Like you aid, youre not 100% sure if its the same a/c or if its a daily occurance. At LAS during certain times of the year (when the schedule isnt as fat) a DL 763 would come in from ATL and sit for hours and not turn back until an 2300+ departure. Ive also seen this happen in SEA and LAX (west coast stations that have red eyes).



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Interesting find J'. That does seem like a lot of airplane to be parked most (all?) of the time.

The only thing I have to ask is are you sure it's AA? I remember once seeing some official New Zealand military or government plane in that area and it was all gray or silver and I think it was a 767 as well.

If you're 100% sure of the AA livery, then I'm stumped. AFAIK, AA doesn't have all-freight a/c so it wouldn't be some sort of cargo deal. Sports charters wouldn't explain it either, not for such an extended period of time. My only other thought would be some sort of on-going military troop movement thing happening?

Hopefully someone here might eventually be able to provide the answer...

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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

AAs timetable shows the single 763 departing for JFK at 0735 and arriving at 1920, so anything on the ground midday would be odd. I can't believe they'd be slipping an aircraft each day having two RON and one remain all day.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
The only thing I have to ask is are you sure it's AA?

Hah! Yep, I am sure - you can't miss that all aluminum/red-white-blue cheat line from ten miles away (though I was closer of course). It is a 767 with winglets/sharklets. I'll drive by today and see if I can get a registration number, though I think the buildings hide it from up close.


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

My roommate was in SAN yesterday and said the 767 was sitting at one of AA's gates, all closed up, jetbridge pulled back, no lights on or anything. But definitely a wingletted AA 767 sitting at SAN with nowhere to go!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7866 times:

So now we find that AA is moving the bird back and forth and all over the airport! This keeps getting interestinger and interestinger...  
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 6):
Hah! Yep, I am sure - you can't miss that all aluminum/red-white-blue cheat line from ten miles away (though I was closer of course).


I now am certain that you're certain so that fact is confirmed and we're back to square one! (J', please know that I didn't mean any offense but I've learned over the years that the easiest explanation is often the correct one so once that's been eliminated, then you move on to find the correct and more complicated answer.)

I know. Maybe during bankruptcy AA feels it prudent to disseminate their assets -- hide things here and there just in case... (Just in case what, I have no idea!) Or perhaps this is an "extra" bird that normally lives up the 5 at LAX and due to construction/whatever, AA decided to just move it down here for a while just to keep it out of harm's way.

  

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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3):

Tis the season for planes sitting on the ground for four plus hours. We have flights coming in between 1700 and 1900 local (sometimes earlier) and the flight will sit at the gate until the redeye which leaves at 2340 local. Of course there are times also during a slow holiday weekend where there might be so many airplanes an airline has to park them all over the airport, I know we have in the past. But when the busy season starts back up end of October, early November aircraft will be not sitting idle as long unless they are overnighting.



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User currently offlineJDairCEO From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 9):
Tis the season for planes sitting on the ground for four plus hours. We have flights coming in between 1700 and 1900 local (sometimes earlier) and the flight will sit at the gate until the redeye which leaves at 2340 local.

I assume you're talking about Sky Harbor and we have the same situation here; we sometimes have RONs that arrive here in the late afternoon, spend the night, and don't exactly leave the next day at the crack of dawn! We also have a huge number of RONs with every gate filled every night plus lots of metal sitting in the overflow parking area all night..

However, AA 763s are rare around here. As has been mentioned twice, we only have 1 scheduled 767 turn here on AA so this whole thing is totally unrelated to scheduled flights.

I checked FlightAware a while ago and the onlly 767 flights on AA lately have been the JFK-arrival in the evening and the departure in the morning. There's no other 767 activity listed so this airplane seems to have become a rather expensive lawn decoration or paperweight here at Lindbergh...  

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here...

Well, there we go. Thank you JD'. Unusual but interesting to know that something like that is happening here.

Any idea how long each conversion takes?

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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7649 times:
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Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration.

That's interesting. I never knew they did that kind of work here? Is this something AA recently
started doing at SAN?



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

OK, here's what FlightAware shows on the AA 763 fleet at SAN. Day and a half to convert.

Leaving off the letters at the end of the N number (they are AA, AN or AM) 7375A is an oddball N number

387 8/30-9/1
362 8/31-9/2
383 9/1-9/3
370 9/5-9/7
388 9/6-9/8
377 9/7-9/9
373 9/8-9/10
7375A 9/9-9/11
399 9/10-9/12
369 9/11-9/13


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

TIMCO got the contract in BOS to do the work. I spoke with an AA MTC man and he said it was a month long process to start. I think he said it took 1.5-2 days per aircraft. AA management has to "guard" the plane while the work is being done for fear of union employees harrassing the contract employees.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 14):
here's what FlightAware shows on the AA 763 fleet at SAN.

Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

Correct, the inbound aircraft slips out of rotation while the completed aircraft slips into the next day's operation.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

It takes a bit of digging. I went to Planespotters to get the N numbers of AA's 763s. Then put each N number into FlightAware and looked for SAN flights. If you see SAN flights (not very many as there is just one per day), then you can see the arrival dates and departure dates. All had a minimum of 1.5 days (departure 2 calendar days after arrival).


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
I assume AA sends in the next a/c for conversion on the regularly scheduled JFK-SAN flight and when done a couple of days later, it leaves SAN in the morning as flight 160 back to JFK. (In other words, no ferry flights.)

Correct, the inbound aircraft slips out of rotation while the completed aircraft slips into the next day's operation. There would be a single ferry, cancellation, extra section or substitution on either end of the program to move the added aircraft into and out of SAN.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
Where in the heck on FlightAware is this sort of information found?

It takes a bit of digging. I went to Planespotters to get the N numbers of AA's 763s. Then put each N number into FlightAware and looked for SAN flights. If you see SAN flights (not very many as there is just one per day), then you can see the arrival dates and departure dates. All had a minimum of 1.5 days (departure 2 calendar days after arrival).


User currently offlineRobt760 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Seat maps seem to indicate row 10 from the mini coach cabin has been removed. Possibly Lavatory on L side removed and a single seat of 14A in it's place (maybe an error?)

User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Quoting jcarv (Reply 15):
AA management has to "guard" the plane while the work is being done for fear of union employees harrassing the contract employees.

...and humanity hits a new low



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Speaking of AA and SAN, why does AA only fly 1x daily SAN-NYC (at least that's the schedule i'm seeing for March 2013) ? Is SAN such a ridiculously small unimportant market ?

User currently onlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6329 times:
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There are eight daily non-stops to the New York area from AA (1x), DL (2x), Jet Blue (2x) and UA (3x). This is hardly a small, insignificant market given the size of the cachement area as well as high tech businesses and the U.S. military.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
J', please know that I didn't mean any offense

lol, no problem, Mr. SANFan. This being a.net, I half-expected someone to reply along the lines "you fool, (1) this has been discussed in threads x,y, z," or (2) "you fool, had you looked at flightaware you would have figured this out for yourself," or (3) "you fool, why do we let people like you post online," together with a request to the moderator that the post be immediately deleted and my membership reviewed. So your pleasant query was a big relief.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 7):
My roommate was in SAN yesterday and said the 767 was sitting at one of AA's gates, all closed up, jetbridge pulled back, no lights on or anything.

Ahah!, When I drove by yesterday, the apron area was devoid of AA767s, which made me think I had been seeing things!

Quoting JDairCEO (Reply 10):
It's there for Main Cabin Extra reconfiguration. Some 767s are being handeled here and some 757s are being outsourced to a company in BOS.

And see, my question has resulted in us learning something previously not known - AA is ferrying 767s to San Diego -of all places - for main cabin configuration! Who knew? What exactly will this entail? Is this part of the AA cabin realignment and refurbishment announced in May across the entire fleet?

I think San Diego should bid to reconfigure the AA 777-200s next - wouldn't that be a great sight to see?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 21):
Speaking of AA and SAN, why does AA only fly 1x daily SAN-NYC (at least that's the schedule i'm seeing for March 2013) ? Is SAN such a ridiculously small unimportant market

AA has often flown daily double flights in the market (and they may have even had 3x daily on a couple of occasions years ago) but in recent years, when the widebody is used between SAN and JFK, it's usually the only flight.

AA has flown nonstop between JFK and SAN continuously since the mid-60s (not sure exactly what year the route commenced but it was not flown in '62 but was operated in 1967) and I would say that makes it a fairly senior and important market for the carrier.

Considering the AA strategy recently of only op'ing flights to and from their cornerstone/major hubs, I think SAN is fortunate to have retained the JFK flight as this is the only one above and beyond mainline flights to only the ORD and DFW hubs -- and we are still not connected with that other large AA hub in southern Florida...


Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
And see, my question has resulted in us learning something previously not known

Hey JA', it's been a great thread and I for one am glad you started it. This is one of the nice things about A.net! (And another thanks to JD' for solving our little riddle.)

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25 777ord : well thank you for finally answering this!!! I've been dying to know why it's been sitting there for ages!!! I live in Bankers Hill and it just drove
26 Viscount724 : I show it arriving JFK at 1600 (AA160). 0735-1920 would be much too long for a nonstop.
27 Coronado990 : Would be nice to see a 777-200 on the JFK-SAN route. It did start in 1967 and coincided with the new terminal building opening on the south side of t
28 Post contains images SANMAN66 : I was thinking the same thing!
29 N737AA : We have a winner! Because it's 100 miles south of a cornerstone, but important enough to have daily JFK service. N737AA
30 CALPSAFltSkeds : You are correct, but I didn't put enough info into the post. We only care about SAN in this thread, the returning flight arrives back into SAN at 192
31 Post contains links and images C767P : It is a bad picture, but here is N399AN sitting in its odd place:
32 Post contains images SANFan : And there's the proof that this wasn't just a fantasy thread! (Thanx for always having your camera handy, C7', and for hanging out near SAN a lot! Gla
33 Post contains images phatfarmlines : Not the best picture, but here it is at gate 32. Photo was taken at 10:40 am
34 Post contains images N243NW : I can confirm this. From what I could gather, the mini coach cabin will now be 3 rows instead of 4.
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