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Nord Wind (Russia) Seeks US Services  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

Nord Wind NWS has applied with the DOT for a foreign air carrier permit to engage in air service between the Russian Federation and the United States.

Nord Wind states it initially intends to operate charter services to the US utilizing its fleet of 300-seat Boeing 767-300 equipment commencing "in the near future".


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Any guesses on routes -- NYC, Miami etc ??


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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Cool. I have seen their 757s and 767s at the DL ATL TechOps before. Very sharp livery. Likely the only time we will ever see them in ATL...just for MTC work.


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1862 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

I'm surprised we haven't seen more flights from Russia's far east to ANC. I know Yakutia does it from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky on a seasonal basis, maybe Nordstar can tap into this market? Do they do scheduled ops or are they charter-only?


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User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Interesting news. Could the flight could originate from a Russian city other than Moscow? From looking at their current route map ( http://www.nordwindairlines.ru/?page=routemap&lang_id=1 ), is there any remote chance of a route such as LED-JFK or SVX-JFK?

User currently offlineBritMidFokker From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2012, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Slightly off-topic but I cannot believe the number of cities they fly to BKK from!!  Wow!

Interesting news about US services, Wiki (not the most reliable as we all know) shows them having 5 more 767's on order, which would double their fleet to 10. Anyone know if this is true?


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2204 times:
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Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 2):
I'm surprised we haven't seen more flights from Russia's far east to ANC. I know Yakutia does it from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky on a seasonal basis, maybe Nordstar can tap into this market? Do they do scheduled ops or are they charter-only?

Vladivostok Air flew to ANC before Yakutia. I think this passed summer was the first summer season service for Yakutia. Maybe Nord Wind will do a charter series between SEA and Moscow.


User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

It would be nice to see some secondary cities in Russia to the US. However considering that UA just suspended IAD/DME, one has to wonder how much demand or how low the yields are, if a major US carrier can't make money to Moscow from a major hub... that being said I'd like to see perhaps some Russian Far East service to the West Coast like SEA,SFO, etc. They could offer an alternative connection to some of the Northern interior Chinese cities, all quite large and quite important export and business centers. Lets hope...

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Yes you never know Nord Wind could focus on a secondary Russian city to the US. Their business model does that quite a bit already. Unfortunately their application does not give us any clues.

Regarding the comparison of with United, these two airlines are polar opposites in business models.
UA is a high cost global network carrier that needs a certain revenue mix to make a route work.
Nord Wind is a high density economy airline that takes Russians on vacation to places Like Phuket, Goa, Bali. So what works for one is a wholly different template than the other.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Nordwind does not have new B767-300ERs on order as such, but they have added more aircraft constantly recently and I would assume they will continue to lease more second hand aircraft. Besides the five 763s, it currently has 7 752s and 5 321s.

Bangkok and Thailand in general are very popular with Russians as Thailand and Russia allow visa free travel in both directions and obviously many of the points served by Nordwind, S7, Transaero, UTair etc. in Siberia or east of Moscow can be served with B757s as well which makes Nordwind and UTair more suitable tour operator partners in smaller markets rather than S7 and Transaero.

[Edited 2012-09-14 10:20:49]


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