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AA And Emirates In Partnership Talks  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25164 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18407 times:

Hot on the heels of the Qantas, EK president says they are in talks with AA over codesharing and frequent flier tie-up.

Emirates and AMR in partnership talks
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...d-amr-in-partnership-talks-376417/

Tim Clarke says he hopes to have it done "fairly soon".


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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18340 times:

Does that mean, AA will axe FRA entirely and FRA-DFW will be routed via DXB instead???   

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18340 times:

If it wasn't coming from the horses mouth I would have guessed that this story was coming from a 13yo Anutter who put 2 and 2 together to get 5000.

As it is, this is definitely a very interesting development.

After all the official secrecy surrounding the QF tie-up until the ink had dried, why are they going public now? Could it be to force AA's hand ("look everyone knows about it now, so just hurry up and sign") or with the rumoured agreement between BA and QR being imminent in order to try and throw a spanner in the works and make BA take another look at EK?






And after all the comments that QF should be thrown out of OW etc etc, maybe it will be BA who ends up being the dark horse after all   (I speak in jest, of course)



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18061 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
And after all the comments that QF should be thrown out of OW etc etc, maybe it will be BA who ends up being the dark horse after all (I speak in jest, of course)

I KNEW IT! I speculated early on that this sort of tie up would make logical sense for AA given what was occuring with QF and given some of the similarities in strategy between the 2. If Tim Clarke is able to stitch up an AA deal it'll be interesting to see what Etihad does in response.

It also puts the speculated QR entrance into OW and speculated closer relations with BA into the spotlight.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17443 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

Not sure what EK brings to AA, other than cheap flow to the Subcontinent that AA can't afford to carry. Maybe a way to ditch RJ  ?


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17899 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Not sure what EK brings to AA, other than cheap flow to the Subcontinent that AA can't afford to carry.

Also to Africa and the Middlea East that AA/BA/IB doesn't cover. It gives their pax a way to avoid connections at LHR if they want to.


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17886 times:
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EK brings South Asia to the table. While BA also competes on many of the routes, folks may prefer to change planes in DXB for such trips rather than LHR. Routing on EK also avoids the absurd departure taxes etc levied by the British government.

It puts BA in an interesting position given they have a One World and j/v tie up with AA. Would such a venture between EK and AA hurt BA?


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17887 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
If it wasn't coming from the horses mouth I would have guessed that this story was coming from a 13yo Anutter who put 2 and 2 together to get 5000.

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read the title of this thread. No joke.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
After all the official secrecy surrounding the QF tie-up until the ink had dried, why are they going public now? Could it be to force AA's hand ("look everyone knows about it now, so just hurry up and sign") or with the rumoured agreement between BA and QR being imminent in order to try and throw a spanner in the works and make BA take another look at EK?

Its really getting interesting eh.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 3):
It also puts the speculated QR entrance into OW and speculated closer relations with BA into the spotlight.

The OW angle is, indeed, looking intriguing. Has EK decided to beef up OW to start snapping at LH and *A's heels?

Things look like they might get interesting soon. Businessweek (I think) was speculating about how the QF/EK deal might shake up alliances. Maybe they were on to something.


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17726 times:

It makes sense that EK would eventually start pairing up with other carriers. They can only grow organically so far, and it's possible we are seeing the beginning of a plateau phase of in-house growth. It's called maturation. Also, they do not have the geographic advantage for most Americans (and we'll include Canadians in there too) that they do between Europe and Australasia. So it makes sense they're seeking a partner to drive traffic their way.

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 726 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17605 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 3):
It also puts the speculated QR entrance into OW and speculated closer relations with BA into the spotlight.

Do you mean, QR will be going in OW ... while the stalwarts AA and QF will be thrown out?!!

EK seems to be tearing apart the world's largest alliances ... is a new alliance forming then?  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25164 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17498 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Not sure what EK brings to AA

Addition to what mentioned already, EK brings AA some added traffic flow -- direct connections in places like DFW, LAX, ORD, JFK into the AA network. Every additional dollar generated is a positive for AA.
Also EK would bring a strong partner for AAdvantage. I could see most Americas region EK Skywards members switch to holding AAdvantage cards instead due to the greater flexibility.

Quoting luckyone (Reply 8):
So it makes sense they're seeking a partner to drive traffic their way.

I dont believe its EK that is driving these partnerships, but the other parties instead seeking the association.
Basically its the "if you can't beat them, join them" mantra.
EK has built a fantastic global franchise that has lots to offer its potential partners.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17487 times:

I could see this coming as soon as the ink was dry on the QF deal. EK already serves 3 out of AA's five cornerstones: JFK, LAX, and DFW. And ORD and MIA have been rumored additions to the EK route map for eons. Should AA and EK codeshare and EK start DXB-ORD, it would be the perfect replacement for AA's ORD-DEL. It would be even better for frequent-flyers, as AAdvantage members could gain EK's access to Africa, the Middle East, and Asia while Skywards members could redeem their miles for US domestic flights (which they currently cannot do).

Another possibility from this deal that no one has mentioned: a cash injection from cash-rich EK and/or stake (under 25%) in AA to help them emerge from Chapter 11. EK's backing of AA's reorganization could help AA fend off a US takeover bid (friendly or hostile).

But should this happen and if BA teams up with EK and not QR as a result, I think it would be basically a given that EK will join oneworld within five years of an AA/EK codeshare/FF deal.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17416 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 11):
But should this happen and if BA teams up with EK and not QR as a result, I think it would be basically a given that EK will join oneworld within five years of an AA/EK codeshare/FF deal.

I'm sure it wont be easy for BA, but if they could put aside their differences and play nice with EK then that could bring some serious cache back to OW as a whole.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17291 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 9):
Do you mean, QR will be going in OW ... while the stalwarts AA and QF will be thrown out?!!

EK seems to be tearing apart the world's largest alliances ... is a new alliance forming then?

There is plenty of room for them to co-exist within OW. No need for anyone to go anywhere.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Also EK would bring a strong partner for AAdvantage. I could see most Americas region EK Skywards members switch to holding AAdvantage cards instead due to the greater flexibility.

What Tim Clarke said about Qantas Frequent Flyers could easily be said about AAdvantage members. It is the potential for EK to tap into the huge number of members and allow them to earn and burn points on them, that would have driven EK to do this with AA along with the traffic flows you mention at AA hubs.


User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17210 times:

This may be what finally brings EK to MIA and ORD. EY at ORD will be interesting if they lose AA feed. And BA? First QF, now AA? This industry is a real life soap opera.

User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16949 times:
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Holy crap! Holy crap! Holy crap! I agree that I wouldn't believe it if we we're hearing it directly from the horse's mouth.

I'm sure DL and UA are just about crapping in their pants right now. Although I don't think they'll have too much to worry about until EK and LATAM announce that they're in talks too!   

In all seriousness, this would be a very welcome partnership from an AA standpoint. An AA/EK tie up would be great for ME/Africa/Indian flying. At the same time it shouldn't really interfere that much with AA/IAG partnership to Europe, except for those looking to save money avoiding all the UK taxes and BA fuel surcharges, especially to points south and east   .

However, I can't help but feel if talks have really been going on since last year that Tim Clark using the QF partnership wave to put a little more pressure on AA to make a decision sooner rather than later; especially with the reported BA/QR discussions going on.

[Edited 2012-09-12 18:40:56]

User currently offlineaaexecplat From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 635 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16791 times:

While I can see how this would be great for AA and EK, but this has to be bad for BA. BA just lost their Australia feed for their SIN-LHR route and now they are going to lose both TATL traffic and eastbound traffic from LHR. That has got to sting...unless BA was talking to EK, as well...hmmmm.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16769 times:

Let the "EK to Join Oneworld?" threads roll in 3... 2... 1...


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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 726 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16745 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
There is plenty of room for them to co-exist within OW. No need for anyone to go anywhere.

I meant, if QR is indeed talking to BA about OW ... and EK and AA are getting cozy (QF surrendered already) ... then what is the final form of OW ? Can BA + QR + AA + QF + EK all be within OW ??? I seriously doubt that.

1. Either EK gets in OW ... and BA swallows it up and gets cozy with the AA+EK+QF trio.
[QR would probably end up getting cozy with UA again and *A in that case.]
2. QR actually gets in OW ... AA + QF + EK go their own way ... plenty strong on their own!
[that would be a HUGE shift in the global airline networks as of now ...]
3. OW exists as is ... EK just maintains a loose alliance with AA and QF ... while QR with BA
[but somehow I see the chances of the 3rd option very slim ... any thoughts?]

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 14):

This may be what finally brings EK to MIA and ORD. EY at ORD will be interesting if they lose AA feed. And BA? First QF, now AA? This industry is a real life soap opera.

Looks like, the loser of these new ententes is EY. They never launched DFW (would have probably worked with their preferred tie with AA) ... but EK took that over. They declared IAD ... but with too much lead time ... and EK preempts them their as well. And now, EK is snapping away their US ally altogether ... will probably launch ORD and MIA in no time.

Being headquartered just about 100 miles away DXB ... these EY guys are constantly being harrassed by this big airline from their small (Abu Dhabi is the capital, after all) neighbor.  


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 16685 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 18):

With EK making a partnership with QF and then making talks with AA, 2 massive OW players, couldn't this lead for membership talks if these deals go through?

For the record, I can see EK in OW, Etihad in Star, and QR in Skyteam. Etihad is the smaller of the 3 Gulf carriers and with TK in Star, they are the best candidate of the Gulf carriers, if they decide to join. EK for making deals with massive OW players and pissing off LH. QR and Skyteam are the odd men out so I just put two and two together. This is just my   ...

By the way, if this actually happens, I called it!   



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 16658 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 18):
1. Either EK gets in OW ... and BA swallows it up and gets cozy with the AA+EK+QF trio.
[QR would probably end up getting cozy with UA again and *A in that case.]
2. QR actually gets in OW ... AA + QF + EK go their own way ... plenty strong on their own!
[that would be a HUGE shift in the global airline networks as of now ...]
3. OW exists as is ... EK just maintains a loose alliance with AA and QF ... while QR with BA
[but somehow I see the chances of the 3rd option very slim ... any thoughts?]

I could almost see this as EK trying to force IAGs hand for your option number 1.

The third one might well work, but I really think that the various airlines would want to cooperate more along the lines of how Cathay does   

Now the second one, if they were to get an airline that could cover central and eastern Europe (none really come to my mind), get LATAM to defect, a Chinese airline that is willing to play nice (HU?) and maybe another Asian carrier like JL, then you would have one powerhouse of an alliance. (At least in my own world..)



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 16602 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
If it wasn't coming from the horses mouth I would have guessed that this story was coming from a 13yo Anutter who put 2 and 2 together to get 5000.
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 13):
EK seems to be tearing apart the world's largest alliances ... is a new alliance forming then?
There is plenty of room for them to co-exist within OW. No need for anyone to go anywhere.

Here's a thought. AA wants no deal with US. BA said they welcome an AA-US merger. I wonder if this is sticking a fork in their partner for supporting US...or more accurately driving them away from US Airways by implying they could blow up OW if BA doesn't get on their side.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5452 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 16103 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 8):
and we'll include Canadians in there too

I just had a thought seeing this comment: the benefits for AA are pretty clear (ie India), but could this flow both ways and be EK's route into Canada???

AA fly from JFK to YYZ and YUL and from ORD to YYZ, YUL and YOW (I'm assuming the EK to ORD is imminent if this is the case) not to mention SEA to YVR and YYC via AS.

There is actually a precedent for this: when EK and QF announced their marriage everyone jumped onto the benefits to QF regarding Europe, but few people noticed that last week QF that they are launching PER-AKL (a market that they've never expressewith times that mysteriously link up with EK's flights from DXB-PER. EK is maxed out on Trans-Tasman frequencies so its fairly apparent that EK are using QF to increase their capacity to New Zealand.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15393 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 18):
1. Either EK gets in OW ... and BA swallows it up and gets cozy with the AA+EK+QF trio.
[QR would probably end up getting cozy with UA again and *A in that case.]
2. QR actually gets in OW ... AA + QF + EK go their own way ... plenty strong on their own!
[that would be a HUGE shift in the global airline networks as of now ...]
3. OW exists as is ... EK just maintains a loose alliance with AA and QF ... while QR with BA
[but somehow I see the chances of the 3rd option very slim ... any thoughts?]

I'd suggest have a read of these 2 articles. While they don't contemplate AA joining with EK they're a pretty good summation of the QF/EK deal on OW as a whole. (i.e. negligible impact really)

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...son-next-qatar-into-oneworld-81650

Fair use extract;

Mr Mehdorn's comments underscore that global alliances are increasingly simple but important groupings to appease passengers with a network of frequent flyer and recognition alignment. Even within alliances member carriers compete against each other where there is no revenue sharing. The bigger value of alliances to airlines is derived from codeshares and joint-ventures, and so airlines – be it airberlin or Qantas – need to have a platform for passenger loyalty but not be shackled to it in such a way that prevents smarter partnerships, such as with Etihad or Emirates.

That view can still be heretical, especially to staunch anti-Gulf carriers like Air Canada and Lufthansa, whose underlying problem is perhaps less about competition and more of a lack of strategy or willingness to realise potential benefits. Rewards for stagnation are not great. The impending entry announcement of Qatar in oneworld will push global alliance and partnership re-thinks.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14986 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
I just had a thought seeing this comment: the benefits for AA are pretty clear (ie India), but could this flow both ways and be EK's route into Canada???

AA fly from JFK to YYZ and YUL and from ORD to YYZ, YUL and YOW (I'm assuming the EK to ORD is imminent if this is the case) not to mention SEA to YVR and YYC via AS.

EK aren't after flying people from Dubai to Canada; they are after the India - Canada market. So I don't know many people would want to do India - Dubai - Chicago - Canada when there are easier options.


25 crAAzy : Interesting, but I'm not sure AA developing a partnership with EK would blow up OW leaving BA out in the cold. The main reason being that flights fro
26 ual777uk : Somehow I doubt it for many of the reasons YOU state below. AA has woken up and realised there is more to life than just LHR and TYO, something UA an
27 EK413 : The JSA agreement was crumbling and BA stated it was time to drop the agreement... The aircraft tied up on the kangaroo route will be redeployed on p
28 mogandoCI : Well said. While many airlines are discovering how the 787 could open up exciting nonstops to second tier and thinner routes, AA and QF had been goin
29 Post contains images enilria : The other factor is AA may not be happy that QF was thrown out of OW. One can assume that was completely driven by BA as BA and LH really hate EK. QF
30 LAXdude1023 : Actually CLT is anything but low yield. On the contrary its actually a pretty high yielding market.
31 ju068 : If this deal really does materialize could we see Emirates send more A380s to the US? This is actually quite smart of American Airlines as they not on
32 DLD9S : When did that happen?
33 LAXdude1023 : Why are you making stuff up? QF was in no way thrown out of OW.
34 MaverickM11 : I think most of the value is in AAdvantage/Skywards; it's the traffic flows I'm not so sure about. The local DXB traffic is probably good, and AA may
35 LDVAviation : I think AA has known this for sometime. They have one very large corporate contract* which has been routing passengers (in business class) from LAX t
36 LHRFlyer : This is an interesting development but I think the impact on Oneworld/IAG/BA is being overstated. The fact that these discussions, which based on the
37 IrishAyes : DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why would you say such a thing, this will open a can of worms!!!!!!! Tim Clark has stated that the QF+EK tie up has
38 Post contains images N62NA : Hint: Etihad means "United" when translated.
39 Post contains images lightsaber : Put me in the crowd of if Tim Clark hadn't been quoted, I would have dismissed this! IMHO, EK is doing this for several reasons: 1. AA hubbing. In par
40 RyanairGuru : On second thoughts my Canada-India suggestion is probably not too realistic due to the double connect and need to clear US CBP. There could well be m
41 DeltaMD90 : I don't know if I'm in the minority here, but I'm not that surprised. AA that's trying new things in bankruptcy + EK which really doesn't have any cod
42 LAXdude1023 : This is pretty much the only way AA can leap frog UA and DL. UA and DL already have service to places in Africa, India, and the Middle East. AA would
43 DeltaMD90 : Why haven't UA or DL pursued EK yet, I wonder. I doubt DL and UA have simply not seen the giant airline in the Middle East
44 LAXdude1023 : UA doesnt really have a choice. They are in a joint venture with AC and LH which are two carriers who despise EK. Its not like BA which simply doesnt
45 Post contains images ASA : Interesting times for AA, US, the Gulf carriers and global alliances. Who goes where, who owns who, who works with who, etc etc etc Maybe in a few yea
46 Post contains images Alias1024 : This move would make a great deal of sense for both carriers. Intersting to see Emirates potentially tying up with two oneworld carriers in quick suc
47 mogandoCI : Since when did 1-stop service "leapfrog" nonstop service ? With LAX-DXB and DFW-DXB being ULH in their own rights, the fuel savings is simply not the
48 jfk777 : AA has alliances with hubs at the very edge of reguions it flies too, Tokyo in Asia and LHR in Europe. Dubai would right in the middle of a huge popu
49 LAXdude1023 : No, but having a code on that huge bank of flights at DXB is certainly an advantage.
50 Viscount724 : AA connections with EK between the US and Africa means 2-stops and hours more travel time than more direct 1-stop options.
51 jfk777 : Where are all the direct 1-stop options, Africa is a continent most US airlines have an allergy to. Except for United from Houston to Lagos, DL to JN
52 Post contains images MaverickM11 : USAfrica is really a job for AA/BA/IB more than anything
53 ER757 : EK to ORD is going to happen eventually with or without AA. But if this partnership is consummated, it will go from "eventually" to "imminent"
54 mogandoCI : Except that DXB is actually the LONGER distance among oneworld options : JFK-PER 11627mi via HKG+CX 11804 via DXB+EK 12458 Even worse for Dallas : DF
55 enilria : 40% of CLT passengers are going to/from Florida. Florida is low-yield. It's better than PHX, but it is still a low yield hub. It's not officially ann
56 IrishAyes : I'd actually place my money on MIADXB happening before ORDDXB. For EK, part of the impetus for inching closer with American is the HUGE revenue oppor
57 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : No, youre just repeating conspiracy theories. You have no basis besides parroting articiles that have no basis. Let that one go. The opprotunities ar
58 IrishAyes : If you're going to say this: And also make this claim: ...then my counterpoint to you would be that you're far too trusting of overgeneralizing statem
59 mariner : I think he's probably right. I can't think why it would have any bearing on One World. Whether it should is another matter. I've been saying (on the
60 SATexan : Excellent news! This partnership will make it very convenient for US fliers to South / Central Asia and Northern / Eastern Africa. A lot of destinatio
61 ju068 : So would it make sense if American Airlines would launch direct flights to Dubai from Chicago or Miami? Or would those markets be left for Emirates? O
62 Post contains images lightsaber : I wonder which US ports they would cooperate. DFW would have to be a given. But what about LAX, JFK, MIA?, and ORD? 1. Some cities have no choice but
63 jfk777 : What is it on Qantas from JFK via LAX to Perth ? what is it via Tokyo on Jal ?
64 IrishAyes : I think you're onto something, Mariner, and I concur completely. So much has changed over the past decade. You have carriers that have gone into the
65 mogandoCI : Provide connectivity, yes. Improve AA's competitiveness? Yes. "Lock up" ? That's a bit optimistic. The combination of SN+LH+TK+MS+ET provides 1-stop
66 questions : Where does this leave SkyTeam? Does this just underscore a continuing theme of selecting third rate partners? Are there any partners in region who wou
67 ER757 : Could very well be the case but my sources seem to think otherwise. They have been wrong on occasion but not nearly as often as they are right. ORD i
68 IrishAyes : EK is more likely over AA. Although it is sad that AA remains the sole major US legacy carrier without a single direct link to the Middle East. You h
69 mogandoCI : QF is a double-connect, while I don't recall JL offering NRT-PER ?
70 Post contains links LAXintl : Tim Clark now says they are actually talking to two US airlines - AA is only one potential partner. Seems the AA talks have been dragging on for a "co
71 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : This makes a lot more sense... I figure EK, despite it's different strategy than other airlines, would eventually codeshare with a large US airline.
72 LAXdude1023 : Pretty evident that relations betweens Star and EK are tense to put it best.
73 EK413 : Very well said... The option of avoiding LHR is the key! Yes OW plan on kicking out 2 key players of the alliance course they decided to sleep with t
74 FWAERJ : Especially since UA is dropping their codeshare with QR, right before QR is adding ORD.
75 mariner : That may be one of the best quotes I've read about all this. One of the two CEO's called the Emirates/Qantas tie-up "seismic," and I agree, but I thi
76 legacyins : With EK already having an interline agreement with B6 and VX the potential for a third ,AA, and fourth ? Carrier makes sense. I do not believe EK is l
77 DeltaMD90 : Yes but assuming they don't play the alliance game (which they seem not to be) they may still want to talk with UA, ignoring Star. What UA would do w
78 Post contains links legacyins : Yes, it is good to keep all options open. On a side note, Clark reiterated that his carrier is not interested in joining any of the Alliances. No sur
79 EK413 : There certainly ain't any need for EK to join an alliance... Just pick and choose carriers which are beneficial to EKs network and you have all bases
80 Post contains images r2rho : Add me to that too! Not all alliances, just OW I wouldn't say tearing apart, but it definitely isolates IAG... In any case it's a strategy shift: EK
81 ASA : you're right. it's actually business moves ... adapting to the changing times. nothing wrong with that. I feel the other alliances will be affected t
82 mogandoCI : If you think about it, a 4th alliance already exist - it's the Virgin Group and its loosely linked up subsidiaries
83 MaverickM11 : That is one sad alliance if it is one. Most of the Virgin associated carriers have much tighter agreements with larger and more competent airlines th
84 lightsaber : AA will have other alliances/code shares that should be more profitable at one or more of the cornerstone hubs. I would be surprised if it was all. L
85 RyanairGuru : I'm not so sure. Virgin Australia is married to DL to North America and EY to Europe. They don't even code share on VS SYD-LHR
86 Post contains links Oby : Apparently EK is in talks with another carrier than just AA. http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...partner-talks-two-us-carriers-0913 let the guessin
87 LAXdude1023 : Its a swipe at the Star Alliance. Lots of bitterness between EK and the main Star carriers.
88 IrishAyes : They're not binary conditions. AA can codeshare on all EK flights operating to the US if they wanted to, including non-cornerstone routes to SEA, IAH
89 MaverickM11 : It means he has a fundamental misunderstanding of how alliances work.
90 lightsaber : Agreed, but not a high probability in my opinion.
91 SQ22 : Maybe its just business talk? For example what has been said about japenese car manufactures and their cars by german ones? Now they are in bed toget
92 DeltaMD90 : What's the gripe between EK and Star? I mean I can see heavy and cutthroat competition, but it's appearing that they "just don't like each other," emo
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