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Emirates Announces Algeria  
User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Dear All,

This is to inform you that Emirates has officially announced a new daily nonstop service to ALG-Algiers, Africa effective 01MAR 2013.

Daily flights will be operated using an A330-200 departing DXB at 0845 and arriving back by 0055 the next day.

Their main competitor on this route is Qatar Airways who operate 11 times per week.

News link: http://www.dubaichronicle.com/2012/09/13/emirates-algeria/

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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10132 times:

What equipment is Qatar using to ALG? Emirates' A330-200s are quite old and their interior is quite disgusting when compared to the rest of their fleet. I hope their brand is known in Algeria otherwise I could see Qatar beating them here.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12400 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Have they never flown to ALG before? I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to do so.

There is actually a trip report relating to an AH flight from ALG to DXB and it didn't show AH in a very good light. I think EK's brand is well known throughout the Arab world, but I'm sure EK will do a major marketing blitz.

As to your comment about the comparison between the 332s and the newer acft in the fleet, I think "quite disgusting" is putting it a bit too strongly, but clearly they are well behind. However, since the 332s won't be around forever, I think it will probably be a year or two before they move on to 777s.


User currently offlineBrusselsSouth From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
What equipment is Qatar using to ALG?

I believe a mix of 332s and 333s.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
There is actually a trip report relating to an AH flight from ALG to DXB and it didn't show AH in a very good light

I read that report. Makes me wonder whether AH can remain on the route. Surely, most pax will prefer EK over AH, unless AH's price difference is really high (not likely). While AH could claim some connecting traffic from the Gulf to Africa (and vv), I suppose numbers are marginal given EK and other Gulf carriers (not to mention some African carries) coverage of major African centers.

Regards
BrusselsSouth


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12799 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9754 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
Have they never flown to ALG before? I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to do so.

I'm not. EK will not be competing with good European feed due to the extensive back-tracking.

What are EK's bilateral rights? In other words, how long until they could go 2X/day?

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 3):
Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
What equipment is Qatar using to ALG?

I believe a mix of 332s and 333s.

Did QR start with A330s or with A319s to ALG? I'm just curious.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
However, since the 332s won't be around forever, I think it will probably be a year or two before they move on to 777s.

   But EK needs the A350s to rotate them out of the fleet...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):

Well they send their A330-200 into Larnaca so I got a chance to fly on them quite a few times. The enterior has the old pinkish fabric and the IFE is reaaally outdated. On top of it all Emirates' on board product has gone down recently.
If they have to compete with Qatar then they better up their game. For the time being Qatar offers a better product and more frequencies.


User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
Well they send their A330-200 into Larnaca so I got a chance to fly on them quite a few times. The enterior has the old pinkish fabric and the IFE is reaaally outdated. On top of it all Emirates' on board product has gone down recently. If they have to compete with Qatar then they better up their game. For the time being Qatar offers a better product and more frequencies.

The A332s should be retired. I was pretty much an EK junkie for a decade 1999 through 2009 - and saw the rapid fall in both the soft and hard products. Have since moved to QR ... but still hate the DOH transfer though ... can't wait for NDIA to open!


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

Interesting, just the other day I was thinking of asking whats keeping EK and Algeria apart, and now this. What did keep them away from this destination for so long?

User currently offlineeuroflyer From France, joined Jun 2012, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):

I guess Algeria is a particular market for airlines as well as for other major business.
The recent history of this country has shown that Algeria's political and social balance is quite unsteady due to strong struggles between government and islamist small groups and also due to the fact that Algeria is still impregnated with communism. When you compare Algeria with Morocco for example, you can see how this country is withdrawn into itself despite a very rich subsoil



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Quoting euroflyer (Reply 8):

I'll also like to add the lack of aircraft as a key factor as to why EK have Kept away from this destination for a while...

EK413



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1713 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 5):
Well they send their A330-200 into Larnaca so I got a chance to fly on them quite a few times. The enterior has the old pinkish fabric and the IFE is reaaally outdated. On top of it all Emirates' on board product has gone down recently.

I agree, I have flown on the A330s a lot recently and they're really showing their age. Very scruffy interiors, stained seats, old IFE, marked plastic etc. The 777s on the other hand are much nicer but I am moving away from using EK as much as I do. When transferring in DXB I feel like a lamb being herded around and the staff are often surly and unfriendly.

Back to the topic though, I am surprised they've not served Algiers until now. They will no doubt do very well on the route!



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

The top 15 markets relevant to EK on the ALG route are as follows:

*Stats below are annualized demand

DOH - 63,000
DXB - 55,000
JED - 40,000
PEK - 35,000
DAM - 34,000
MED - 21,000
AMM - 19,000
BEY - 18,000
MCT - 7,000
PVG - 7,000
MNL - 7,000
JKT - 5,000
BAH - 5,000
RUH - 4,000
KWI - 3,000

Major market stimulation will occur primarily on DXB-ALG sector which I would forecast would contribute to at least supplying in each direction approximately 80 pax per flight in each direction. So if you have a 70% S/F on a 270 seater A 332, this means 42% of your traffic portfolio mix is high yielding O&D. Plus there is the EK signature cargo revenue to add here as well. Africa has always done well for EK historically and in-spite of the above market sizes looking small to the naked eye, one should not write off the capability of EK in poaching away market share from MS/QR/TK/SV on this route.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Can Air Algerie survive on this route now that Emirates will fly daily?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
Africa has always done well for EK historically

Indeed, and I would fully expect more Africa to be announced. My money is on Kinshasa next, possibly in combination with another market.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

FIH is definitely a no brainer with an A332 but I think that it would be a triangular service with BZV tag on.

I'm still surprised that EK is not double daily into ADD as yields are very high there too plus massive labor demand bound to GCC.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 13):
My money is on Kinshasa next, possibly in combination with another market.

Word around here is that is exactly the case. Heard of the BZV tag on as well. Kigali has been thrown around as well.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

What about other Arrab African countries, how many are there, Mauritania, Somalia, Chad, Niger any others?

User currently offlineMalayil From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
What about other Arrab African countries, how many are there, Mauritania, Somalia, Chad, Niger any others?

I really can't see EK flying to any of these places. In Africa, I could see Kinshasa, Brazzaville, Kigali, Abuja and perhaps Gaborone. Maputo, Bamako, and Lilongwe are long shots but more plausible than Mauritania, Somalia etc. However looking at EK's route map they have added a lot of destinations west of Dubai, I feel they need to concentrate on the east again. They should push for better bilaterals with China and India.


User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):

I think it is more likely to see Etihad or Qatar expand in those markets rather than Emirates.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Word is that JRO is also on the list of Africa expansion plans.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):

Ok, Chad and Niger are not Arab, Comoros a former EK route and Djibouti current FZ route are Arab, then there is the Moroccon occupied Western Sahara, plus Somalia and Mauritania, not too many.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 1):
Emirates' A330-200s are quite old and their interior is quite disgusting when compared to the rest of their fleet. I hope their brand is known in Algeria

Since ALG is not a major market, using older aircraft with older interiors is a reasonable strategy.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
Have they never flown to ALG before? I'm surprised it has taken so long for them to do so.

I'm not surprised. Algeria has been racked for years with violence and the economy is poor. Traffic patterns x-ALG are mainly elsewhere in North Africa and to France. The ALG-DUB route will tap whatever traffic there is from ALG to beyond Egypt.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 21):
Since ALG is not a major market, using older aircraft with older interiors is a reasonable strategy.

Not when their main competitor is Qatar and to a lesser extent Turkish Airlines.


User currently offlineHooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 9):
I'll also like to add the lack of aircraft as a key factor as to why EK have Kept away from this destination for a while...

or...
It's more the other way around and EK is searching for destinations to put aircraft on.
They have a steady flow of new aircraft coming in and the A330's are still useful on the thin markets.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Hope EK will enter the Cameroun/Gabon market: DXB-DLA-LBV-DXB. High yield and oil industry + Chinese for tropical woods.

25 sq_ek_freak : Between the two I'd say Qatar over Etihad, and throw Turkish in the mix as well - especially since they already fly to Mogadishu as well.
26 qf002 : They would retire these planes rather than keep them to fly routes they don't want to fly...
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