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PIT Update Thread #24  
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22476 times:

Continuing the discussion from:

PIT Update Thread #23 (with Old Pics) (by PITrules Sep 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

A reminder, please do not overload threads with images, as not all of our users have computers or internet connections that can handle a lot of images in a thread.

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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22211 times:

"Pittsburgh International Airport's Airmall getting a $10 million makeover"

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...airmall-getting-a-makeover-653352/



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21921 times:

"Gas drilling bids sought for Pittsburgh International, Allegheny County airports"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-allegheny-county-airports-654245/

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ks-for-airport-gas-lease-bids.html


"Airport's Success Grabs Attention"
"Mike Boyd, an aviation consultant with the Boyd Group in Evergreen, Colo., said there is no competition between Pittsburgh International and Arnold Palmer Regional."
http://www.aviationpros.com/news/107...8/airports-success-grabs-attention

I'm not sure what Mr. Boyd is smoking; PIT and LBE are in the same MSA and LBE very much draws from all of it and beyond. Traffic at PIT is decreasing while its increasing at LBE.

[Edited 2012-09-20 16:47:57]


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User currently offlinepgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 21877 times:

Natural gas prices are at record lows...I'd certainly sit on this for a while.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days ago) and read 21829 times:

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 3):
Natural gas prices are at record lows...I'd certainly sit on this for a while.

At first I thought the same. This is also the reason no one bid last time. When gas prices subsequently came back up Allegheny Co politics interfered as the County Exec was determined to funnel that revenue away from the airport, which of course is not allowed.

However, the royalties to be paid to the ACAA in this latest bid are on a percentage basis (18%), so it might not hurt to get a bid out to see if anyone bites. If gas prices come back up so will revenue.
http://flypittsburgh.com/UserFiles/File/pdf/bus_ops/Gas_Lease_RFB.pdf
This is not my area of expertise, so I really don't know if 18% is considered lucrative or not in comparison to similar deals.

I think the timing of this is more of a desperation move, as the ACAA knows their fees are not competitive and they need to come down. They are feeling the heat from LBE (see previous post), and possible daily service at YNG. Then there is the matter of OKC-CLE service on United. Some speculate that flight is to service the local energy sector (which Pittsburgh is in the center of). Personally I think Cleveland is removed from the energy sector and this is more of a matter of CLE simply being a hub for onward connections, including shale centers such as PIT, DUJ, FKN, BDF, etc

[Edited 2012-09-20 21:44:19]


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21737 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 2):
I'm not sure what Mr. Boyd is smoking; PIT and LBE are in the same MSA and LBE very much draws from all of it and beyond. Traffic at PIT is decreasing while its increasing at LBE

The article went on to state that even though they are serving the same catchment, they're serving two different types of fliers. LBE targets mainly lesiure travelers while PIT handles mostly business travelers...

Still, they flying public is the flying pubic, and there is some degree of passenger siphoning taking place here considering the limited number of travelers within the greater PIT/LBE catchment...

Still, it's pretty cool to see PIttsburgh with two commercial airports serving it...  



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 21702 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):

The article went on to state that even though they are serving the same catchment, they're serving two different types of fliers. LBE targets mainly lesiure travelers while PIT handles mostly business travelers...

I read the article. PIT very much serves leisure travelers. In fact, in 2010 MCO was PIT's largest O&D market; TPA and LAS were in the top 5.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21651 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
I read the article. PIT very much serves leisure travelers. In fact, in 2010 MCO was PIT's largest O&D market; TPA and LAS were in the top 5.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I know PIT serves leisure travelers. I'm saying that PIT serves more business travelers than LBE does. How far up on the list are Philadelphia, Atlanta, New York, and Chicago for PIT?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21632 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 7):
How far up on the list are Philadelphia, Atlanta, New York, and Chicago for PIT?

Here's where I got my data from; page 18:
http://74.209.241.69/static/entransi...nrod_BoardMembersCommissioners.pdf

I'm incorrect in stating MCO was PIT's largest market when you add the 3 NYC airports together.



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21445 times:
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http://www.timesonline.com/news/tran...3-2052-586f-91c8-6ddc95154580.html


User currently offlineBOEINGKID From United States of America, joined May 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21218 times:

Maybe they need to keep it open

Airline worker may have tried to slip security at Pittsburgh airport

http://triblive.com/home/2660700-74/...irport-breach-flight#axzz27UiYpVbr


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 21182 times:

Quoting BOEINGKID (Reply 10):
Airline worker may have tried to slip security at Pittsburgh airport

Probably tried to go through the bagroom. That's instant termination right there, even if she only wanted to put her bag on the cart for the flight.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21042 times:

Good for whoever turned the individual in question in, very responsible and proactive. Even though that airport is pretty much dead it still deserves the same amount of diligence as other, more busy airports.

User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 21036 times:

It's not that dead. Ever try to get through security on Sunday afternoons?

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 21008 times:

Passenger wise I am guessing no wide bodies but who regularly flies 757s daily into pit? us?

User currently onlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 20981 times:

Quoting BOEINGKID (Reply 10):
Maybe they need to keep it open

Airline worker may have tried to slip security at Pittsburgh airport

http://triblive.com/home/2660700-74/...YpVbr

This story brought back memories... I remember when I worked for AE years ago, we were hanging out in the breakroom below Concourse D and a woman we worked with was flying one of our flights. She was hanging out with all of us, but prior to the flight boarding, they made her take her bag, ride back to the main terminal and go through security like everyone else.

The whole "Security" that the TSA provides is a joke and laughable, but that is another story for another thread. If there is one thing that makes me mad, it's watching a TSA employee trying to flex their muscles and making some poor innocent travelers life hell. They feel that they are high and mighty with their stupid blue shirts and fake badges, but really, they have one of the most pitiful and dispised jobs ever. ha. i wish TSA people would grow up and get real jobs.

NOTE: On a recent flight, i had a new big bottle of Cologne, and a tiny tiny bottle of Listerine (with the plastic wrap still arond the top un-oppened). The TSA jerk said "oh sir, you can't bring this on the flight", and i thought they were referring to the cologne, which i had just shelled out $60 for. Instead, they meant the tiny bottle of unopened listerine.... I was puzzled... I asked how i was allowed to bring a big spray bottle of cologne on the flight, yet, a sealed miniature bottle of mouth wash was not allowed??? Honestly, what could someone do more damage with on a flight, a bottle of cologne you could use as a form of mace to spray at someone, or a sealed bottle of mouth wash? Anyways, that's my little rant about PIT TSA. Any chance we can expect privatized security again in the future?



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 20979 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
Passenger wise I am guessing no wide bodies but who regularly flies 757s daily into pit? us?

No scheduled widebodies. 757's from US Airways (to PHL) and Delta (ATL and CDG). United sends one in every now and then.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 20820 times:

Airfare analysis between PIT/CLE/DTW/CMH/CAK:
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/co...arison-for-holiday-and-fall-travel



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20781 times:

DL is starting Daily A319 service to LGA starting NOV 5th.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20694 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
DL is starting Daily A319 service to LGA starting NOV 5th.

Nice upgrade, but this seems only to be less than daily service for a few weeks centered around the holidays.



"Donald Rossi, airport authority chairman, reiterated the agency’s plans to build a new terminal and a parallel runway as part of an airport expansion. Rossi did not offer a timetable for the project, but the authority board this summer discussed borrowing as much as $20 million for the project."
http://triblive.com/news/westmorelan...o-authority-business#axzz27gQoMFTy

I knew about desires for a new terminal, but a parallel runway?! Getting ahead of themselves at LBE.

Anyway, here is a new background video on LBE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExdFKB2qUvY&feature=youtu.be



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20681 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 19):
Getting ahead of themselves at LBE.

I'll say. LBE is certainly not in need of another runway. The terminal on the other hand is definitely needed at the present. Still however that is a big commitment for a small airport to one carrier. Better keep it very simple and flexible in design so that it can be used for other purposes if/when NK loses interest.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

A 20 year celebration will be held in the next week or so. I still remember my first time through this back in 1995...was 13 going out to DEN. Still wish I had access to connect through that facility.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pittsb...rport-celebrates-20-155800907.html

Quote:
PITTSBURGH, Sept. 27, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- On October 1, the Allegheny County Airport Authority will celebrate 20 years of the Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT) in its current facility and share the vision for the future in attracting more passengers, flights and economic development to the southwestern Pennsylvania region. A news conference will be held Monday, Oct. 1 at 10 a.m. at the Ticketing Level Landside Terminal. The Airport will also host Family Fun Day, a public celebration on Saturday, Oct. 6 at Pittsburgh International Airport from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m., which includes guided tours to the airside terminal and AIRMALL. Event parking will be free.

Since its opening in October 1992, the Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT) has been recognized as a world-class, technologically advanced facility and transportation system. PIT services more than 8 million travelers each year and remains among the top airports in the United States and world based on customer satisfaction.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

Quoting Cush (Reply 15):
The whole "Security" that the TSA provides is a joke and laughable, but that is another story for another thread. If there is one thing that makes me mad, it's watching a TSA employee trying to flex their muscles and making some poor innocent travelers life hell.

Yeah, like my wife's and mine last year flying back from SEA. If you want the whole story I can send you a PM rather than post it here...

Quoting N670UW (Reply 16):
No scheduled widebodies. 757's from US Airways (to PHL) and Delta (ATL and CDG). United sends one in every now and then.

Doesn't (or didn't) DL send a 757 to JFK?

Quoting PITrules (Reply 19):
Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):DL is starting Daily A319 service to LGA starting NOV 5th.
Nice upgrade, but this seems only to be less than daily service for a few weeks centered around the holidays.

Still, it's a nice upgrade even if it's for a couple of days out of the week.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 20):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 19):Getting ahead of themselves at LBE.

I'll say. LBE is certainly not in need of another runway. The terminal on the other hand is definitely needed at the present. Still however that is a big commitment for a small airport to one carrier. Better keep it very simple and flexible in design so that it can be used for other purposes if/when NK loses interest.

I've kinda been looking at the air field around ABE to see what they would do with a second runway should a need for it arise. If they're considering it now, I think they're jumping the gun. Yes, they're already handling way more people than they've ever had, but I still don't think it's enough to warant another runway. A bigger terminal, yes, perhaps, but not an additional runway. They need to build things as they're needed instead and not all at once...



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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20603 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):
I've kinda been looking at the air field around ABE to see what they would do with a second runway should a need for it arise. If they're considering it now, I think they're jumping the gun. Yes, they're already handling way more people than they've ever had, but I still don't think it's enough to warant another runway. A bigger terminal, yes, perhaps, but not an additional runway. They need to build things as they're needed instead and not all at once...

What I think they really need is radar at the tower. I've flown numerous times into LBE and either had to slow up or hold until an aircraft has landed before I can shoot an approach in IFR conditions.


User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20592 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):

Doesn't (or didn't) DL send a 757 to JFK?

Yes they did, last year. It went CDG-PIT-JFK if i remember correctly.


25 Post contains images USPIT10L : I agree wholehearted, and remember, they don't just pick on passengers, they can treat the employees like crap too. They gave a new-hire of ours crap
26 N670UW : They did a few days a week this summer too. I flew it JFK-PIT in June on the way back from MCO. Nice airplane. It continued onto ATL though, so I'm n
27 kkephart13 : Im so proud of where our taxpaying money is going!! (i surely hope you all sensed that sarcasm...) If i remember correctly too on this, When the Airc
28 kubus : It also makes the last departure at 7p instead of 7:45p with block time at over 2 hrs. A little insane. Don't like this change at all. Going back to
29 Post contains images steeler83 : Somewhat off topic, but I had a chance to fly on a 753, but the assholes at the TSA ruined that for me by a mere 2 minutes! Yep, that was last year f
30 Flaps : I believe that the intersection with the Turnpike would be in the vicinity of Mount Pleasant, most likely on the New Stanton side, somewhere around t
31 pliersinsight : With all the talk of the old days, I thought I was seeing things the other day from the Sam's club parking lot when I saw simultaneous approaches taki
32 MasseyBrown : Chesapeake Energy, headquartered in OKC, has a regional exploration office in Uniontown, OH - spitting distance from CAK airport and about 50 miles f
33 Post contains links PITrules : Regarding PIT's 20 year Midfield anniversary: http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/12274/1265412-147.stm Where to begin on this nonsense? ""It makes my stom
34 Post contains links tarmacphotos : Pittsburgh airport marks 20th anniversary with Paris flights: http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/...ersary-pittsburgh-internati/nSQcH/
35 Post contains links steeler83 : In addition to the expanded CDG flights on Delta, Republic is about to double its workforce at PIT. They plan to hire 200 workers to service more of t
36 kpitrrat : From what I have observed DGS operates the inbound F9 flight from PUJ. Not sure if there are any other F9 flights out of there but I havent seen many
37 Flaps : Republic operates out of the old TWA hangers next to the Heinz hanger. On another note, does anyone know if a timetable exists for WN/FL and UA to con
38 Post contains links PITrules : Here are a few more details about both the terminal and Laurel Valley Connector, which seems more likely to be an upgrade to existing roads rather th
39 Post contains links boeingkid : Airport wants TSA to open Airmall to public http://triblive.com/news/2710558-74/...t=Google+Feedfetcher#axzz28a4YXSvd Maybe it would lower the landing
40 Post contains images threeifbyair : Impressive growth. That probably explains why I see so many PIT-IAH-SEA connections available on UA, despite the terrible routing. IAH unfortunately
41 Post contains links PITrules : Looks like they opened an exhibit in the Airside terminal showcasing the terminal's 20 year anniversary. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...airpor
42 NWADC9 : I was a bit bummed I had to miss out on the event due to work and other tasks, but now that I know Delta had a 757-200 open to the public, I'm ticked!
43 Post contains links PITrules : Here's for the inaugural BA service in 1985: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...04503&dq=concorde+pittsburgh&hl=en Pic: http://news.googl
44 Post contains links kpitrrat : I apologize for asking this a week after it was in PIT but I had a photo I had taken with my phone but unfortunately it keeps appearing sideways when
45 USPIT10L : There was a medical situation onboard. All the pax were deplaned and rebooked. Major pain in the arse. Fortunately, working the Express side means I
46 kkephart13 : WN is starting PIT-HOU on 4-14. and LAS is going to 2x daily.
47 PITrules : HOU is both predicted and welcome. Competition to Houston is very welcome. The amount of energy traffic from there was just discussed in this thread,
48 USPIT10L : Not Hobby, of course. IAH has been served since about 1980, IIRC. About time WN started this, even though it gives UA some competition.
49 PITrules : I'm referring to HOU; I still find it an interesting little factoid
50 tooluther : It will be interesting to see what UA's response is on PIT-IAH. It is not a cheap route to fly right now, but IIRC they have added lots of new capacit
51 steeler83 : Yeah, what do they have between the two now, a mix of 738, 739 and a 757 now at times? Nice to see WN adding yet another destination. How many times
52 kkephart13 : It actually goes down to 1x (738) daily on 1/6/13. So its nice to see WN put it back up to 2x. 1x Daily to HOU.
53 Post contains links Cush : Another thread had this link posted, so I wanted to repost. Look at all the USAirways aircraft in Concourse B today... Imagine seeing the same US pres
54 steeler83 : Yep, that was nice to see all those US birds if even for just a brief time. I'm sure they're all back flying now that PHL is open again. Does US stil
55 Post contains links PITrules : Dick's Sporting Goods looks to be increasing the size of its corporate campus on the airport by at least 1/3 (by 200,000-300,000 sq ft) http://www.biz
56 Post contains links flightsimer : Anyone know what these two flights were about? I can't say we have ever previously had these flights come here. I was just thinking the other day abou
57 Post contains links PITrules : Perhaps the shortest ever 757 flight from PIT? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9729 CKB now has a 7000' runway, and now handles most if not all
58 USPIT10L : Had that in my collection for ages, musta got thrown out about a decade ago, LOL. Great photo archives in there! Remember, when the old terminal clos
59 PITrules : That explains the lack of coverage from the P-G then. I still have the Beaver County Times issue linked above, as well as a commemorative magazine fr
60 dumbell2424 : Wiggins is a FedEx operator. They park on the cargo ramp, usually right up against the fence on 376 Business Loop. They typically fly UNV-PIT three t
61 PITrules : Although he wasn't specific in his post, I assumed he meant what were they doing in BVI? Perhaps some routine maintenance inspections which may be ch
62 flightsimer : Correct, that is the first time I have ever heard of them coming here. Supposedly, on Saturday it taxied to Prospect Aviation (the other fbo on field
63 N670UW : The aircraft was parked in a hangar during its stay at BVI. Potentially to keep the aircraft out of the elements from Hurricane Sandy. The aircraft di
64 flightsimer : Ok, that explains why I never saw it while I was there. Prospect had one hell of a full hangar then... Lear 31, king air 200, two conquest II's, a Co
65 PITrules : "Solobay: Commission close to announcing funding for beltway corridor 11/4/2012 5:43 AM A state lawmaker claims the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission i
66 steeler83 : It would be huge. You'd have (PA) 576 link two major interstate highways in the region with the completion of this link. Volume should pick up consid
67 Post contains links PITrules : I think building the segment to Monroeville would be a good compromise, although I would like to see the entire thing get built. A boulevard alone is
68 steeler83 : Yeah, but the thing is, there is a ton of public opposition to the expressway on the northern shore of the Mon River. I do think that a road is very
69 USPIT10L : F9 is handled by DL, period. They will NOT be returning to PIT on their own. . Republic will make sure of that, they make too much money for other pe
70 PITrules : Seems like half the public opposition comes from one person - John Fetterman. Also, due to topography, the overall amount of displacement is actually
71 kpitrrat : To me I feel like "they" (whomever has the ability to do so) should move what is left of the CO operation from D to C so that they would at least be i
72 USPIT10L : Yeah, they're international flights. They have to be handled on C. Both scheduled charters come from PUJ and/or CUN. I saw PITCLE on F9 on the FIDS s
73 NWADC9 : I think PIT's a stop on what really is a PUJ/CUN-PIT-CLE routing.
74 GSP psgr : As I'm in the process of shopping around for a ski vacation for my parents, I notice that DL has brought back CLT-SLC in response to US. I keep hoping
75 steeler83 : Yeah, I posted some things here and there as well. The thing is that there wasn't enough O&D, and I think the timing for any connections wasn't a
76 N670UW : Correct. Though I'd love to see SLC-PIT return, the problem for a market like PIT was the service was pre-merger, and MSP-PIT has largely shot down t
77 GSP psgr : Many, but not all. The three biggest are Oakland, Long Beach, and Reno. While MSP covers the Dakotas/Montana, there are also a fair number of second
78 kkephart13 : Looks like DL is adding seasonal PIT-MCO Saturday only flights starting February 16th. Equipment is a 319.
79 USPIT10L : Yeah, the timings were terrible. IIRC, it got in from SLC at about 1600 and left at 1630, at the same time as a WN departure. As we all know, when WN
80 steeler83 : Ehh?? I saw they were bringing back BDL-MCO, but they're doing seasonal Saturday-only service to MCO? Have they done this city pair before? I don't t
81 PITrules : I'd like to see SLC return as well, but I agree with N670UW. Not gonna happen with MSP and even DTW added to the mix. OTOH, DL now has 717s which may
82 Cush : That is not accurate. They never operated to MCO out of Concouse E. These gates were USAirways Express only, and could never handle a jet aircraft, s
83 Post contains images USPIT10L : Nope, Eastern served it quite heavily, long before US did. F9 does that--DL ground handles it.
84 PITrules : That's simply not the case; Comair operated its MCO flights from the E gates for quite a while. Why that was the case I don't know. Perhaps the ACAA
85 GSP psgr : If DL were ever to bring it back, it should be like an 0600-0700 departure PIT-SLC with a 1700-ish return from Salt Lake. That way it hits the mornin
86 isp2 : B6 is ending JFK-PIT 2/27/13
87 jfklganyc : Beat me to it. I wish PIT supported B6 a bit more. I can see the whole city being dropped. 3 daily PIT-BOS is jetblues last stand in this market
88 kkephart13 : Whats your source on this? Im booked on B6 to JFK in March.....
89 pit : Its true FEB 27 will be the last day... Someone from customer support will be reaching out to you shortly..
90 Post contains links PITrules : Well that's gonna hurt. Here is an old article on the affect JetBlue had after they launched PIT service with 4 JFK flights (and 2 to BOS): "But despi
91 threeifbyair : Noooooo... terrible news for PIT. Many of my classmates will be pretty upset - quite a few are weekly commuters on that route. Why end in February, t
92 Cush : Can anyone else support me on this? No regional jet has ever operated out of Concourse E. These gates were reserved for US only. A/B/E and part of C
93 PITrules : I'm not sure what the big deal is. I've observed Comair CRJ's operate from the E gates with my own eyeballs for the duration of their MCO service. Al
94 steeler83 : Both of those would be nice. I guess it's only a matter of time before B6 pulls out all together, but that could be just me... Still, if that happens
95 Flaps : Spotter alert....FedEx 772 enroute from MEM eta 2028, flt 980.
96 Flaps : Disregard. Loooking at too many screens for too long. It's a 727 not 777.
97 IMissPiedmont : I get the feeling I'm going to be a bit surprised Friday. The last time I was at PIT was the night the name Allegheny disappeared. I have fond memorie
98 kubus : Yes I just got off one. The last out of LGA and the first AM flights are A319 for rest of Nov, and then switching to MD88 in Dec for couple weeks, th
99 Post contains links atct : I worked as a ramper for Delta at PIT and I do remember the older guys talking about working over at the E gates for a comair flight. I also remember
100 Post contains links PITrules : The P-G finally picked up on the loss of JetBlue's PIT-JFK route: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...om-pittsburgh-to-big-apple-663232/ "JoAnn Jen
101 Post contains images USPIT10L : Remember, anything to make the airline, not the airport look like the culprit.
102 tooluther : I think we can place a big chunk of blame here on the flying public. Once all the new DL capacity came into play, this was just a matter of time IMO.
103 southwest737500 : PIT-JFK route ending: I think the flight time thing is a excuse. They have been performing horribly since they started, they had 4 flights and then 2
104 Flaps : Think what you want but in my case at least that is exactly the reason I don't fly B6. I've gone out of my way repeatedly to try to fly B6 and they n
105 Post contains images PITrules : Although the net addition to NYC wasn't that much extra capacity (only two RJs - remember DL dropped 2 JFK frequencies and US 2 at LGA), you are exac
106 kubus : It is not the airport nor the flying public, it is the airline - JetBlue. I commute to NYC for work every week, fly out Sun, come back Thur. Every wee
107 Post contains images USPIT10L : That's not their primary business anyway. DL and UA more than carry the day with biz traffic to NYC, as does US from here. B6 is a leisure airline. B
108 Post contains links PITrules : Its been well documented already that it is JetBlue which has caused a 20%-50% (depending on the source) reduction in PIT-NYC fares. The latest remin
109 kubus : DL especially has a tendency to list higher fares 3-4 months out. Week before and after Thanksgiving was around $800 rt, but it dropped to normal leve
110 pit : FYI... B6 BOS-PIT going 4 daily starting in May...
111 Post contains links PITrules : "Air fares to New York take off as JetBlue plans to exit route" "For example, American Airlines will charge $210 for its one nonstop flight to John F.
112 Post contains links PITrules : UPS will again be operating the MD-11 at PIT with early morning (but daylight) departures this peak. FedEx will have 727s as well, up to 3 a day. FedE
113 Post contains links PITrules : "EQT, Consol bid on Marcellus drilling near Allegheny County airports" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-allegheny-county-airports-664984/ http:
114 Post contains images steeler83 : AAAhhh, beat me to it. I bet you're happy to hear that.
115 Post contains links PITrules : Lets not put the cart before the horse... "But EQT sees this as a jumping off point for negotiations. The restrictions in the bid documents that kept
116 Post contains links pit : http://pitairport.com/JetBlue_Airway..._Pittsburgh-Boston_Non-Stop_Flight
117 Post contains links PITrules : Now that they are adding PHL, it would be nice to see them take a stab at PIT-PHL. Wishful thinking. Other news: "Airport authority accepts lower of
118 USPIT10L : They're not supposed to, that's not their business model. The ACAA should've known that before intiating discussions with them. Don't count on it. I
119 PITrules : I don't see them starting PIT-PHL either, hence the "wishful thinking". As far as them staying no more than 18 months.. I don't see why that would be
120 USPIT10L : No question, jetBlue is definitely a well-run airline. I just don't think they'll be in PIT too much longer. Our sky-high landing fees drive LCCs awa
121 Post contains links PITrules : You know I agree 100% on the fees and how the air service development of PIT has been an afterthought in Allegheny Co politics. But I don't want to s
122 USPIT10L : I'm afraid that's what drives the market in those cities. The business traveler demands frequency above all else. On the bright side, I can forsee UA
123 Post contains links PITrules : "OK of bid for airport drilling rights questioned" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...drilling-rights-questioned-666471/
124 Flaps : UA already uses the 319 and 320 on pit-iah . They run everything in the fleet between the 735 and the 757 on it.
125 steeler83 : I've already known that. A while back, there was a thread about routes one would like to see served from their respective airports. One of the market
126 flightsimer : I believe PIT is or at least was on the very top of Cancun's list of desired daily flights.
127 PITrules : That's correct (although I'm not sure about the "daily" part), even though PIT already has scheduled service to CUN.
128 Post contains links PITrules : The Southern Beltway project will indeed move forward, providing PIT with another link to I-79, Southpointe (where the shale energy industry is locate
129 steeler83 : I don't believe I noticed it in the PG article, but the Tribune Review incorrectly identified the one road as US 50 that would be impacted -- It's PA
130 Post contains links Cush : An American Airlines flight got stuck while taxiing at PIT yesterday. Here is a link to the story in the PG: http://1iny.com/88976/
131 Post contains images kpitrrat : It was a mess out there yesterday and we didn't even get that much snow.
132 boeingkid : This happened because the ACAA does not have the money to plow the ramps, it is contracted. I believe that the policy is greater than 3 inches before
133 kpitrrat : So that is why I saw a bunch of Menichino Paving trucks driving around last night.... Yea it was about 5 inches out there on the ramp taxiways. Not a
134 Post contains links PITrules : Blaming pilots: "Our priority when it comes to snow removal is keeping the runways clear and open, then the taxiways. Ramp areas are secondary,” Jen
135 boeingkid : Nope no awards this year
136 kpitrrat : Sorry, apparently my eyes are going quicker than I thought, especially at night. It it is Facchiano Construction doing the removal. Yea I wouldn't sen
137 kpitrrat : From Article: “He [Captain] is in charge of the plane,” she said. “They could‘ve had passengers off sooner, but they decided to wait.” Wher
138 southwest737500 : I agree it's sad though but the fees is exactly what hurts B6 and I say there gone by the then of 2013 there going to fail with the 4X BOS
139 USPIT10L : From what I heard, it was off 10L, AA had to get buses so people could get off the plane. Yep, epic fail, as always, courtesy of the ACAA. Sorry, no
140 kubus : So much for JetBlue effect, DL prices on PIT - LGA are now down to $120 for the first week (which is cheaper then I paid for this and next week flight
141 PITrules : What dates are these? I just plugged in about 20 random itineraries for Mar and Apr. The vast majority are still at least $600 r/t. I did find a Tues
142 GSP psgr : Thought of the day: With all of the major film productions that are being done here, one would think that we could at least support one daily flight t
143 kubus : PITrules 3/4 to 3/7, last flights on both days. Its back to $600. Fluke I guess, but it was there for the taking. One way around this is to buy on us
144 Post contains links PITrules : I don't think that's abusing at all; whatever you can make happen. On the topic of B6, if JetBlue's round trip schedule was not suitable another opti
145 Post contains links tarmacphotos : PIT one of the finalists to get the KC-46: Air National Guard unit in Moon on list of candidates for new tanker plane http://triblive.com/news/adminpa
146 GSP psgr : Out of curiosity, I looked up the data: PIT-LA Metro has 494 daily passengers, BNA-LA is 698. So we're 70% of the size and BNA is significantly close
147 PITrules : The one thing I do like about having UAL doing the LAX service is perfect timing and connection to their SYD/MEL flights; last time I did this the Au
148 GSP psgr : DL could do that too with DL16/17, and AA codeshares heavily with Qantas which does both Melbourne and Sydney from LAX (though PIT-DFW-SYD already ex
149 Post contains images PITrules : Absolutely; however since UAL already offers an evening departure to LAX I would think that a new entry in the market would offer an early morning de
150 GSP psgr : You're probably right. That said an 0600-0800 PIT-LAX would be great for local traffic out of Pittsburgh. I think there would also be demand for a We
151 USPIT10L : I don't work mornings anymore, but the LAX flight does carry a lot, and I mean a LOT of O&D traffic. Seems like PITSFO is more connecting than lo
152 atct : I remember flying USAir 733LR and 752's PIT-LAX... Anywho in regards to UA's operation. As stated above, there are easy connection opprtunities at CLE
153 Post contains links PITrules : I just realized PIT-SFO is also back to 4x weekly for the winter. That's equally pathetic. Whereas I can see AA or DL start PIT-LAX, I just don't see
154 Post contains links steeler83 : PITrules, I'm a little surprised at you. You're dropping the ball. Did you see this? http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...s-for-nonstop-destinations
155 N670UW : Only SEA, BNA, MCI and maybe MSY are reasonable. DAL, YYC and JAX are just out of left field. SLC will only happen if Delta is interested and there is
156 LoneStarMike : It's kind of pointless to offer an airline an incentive to fly nonstop between PIT & DAL when those flights wouldn't even be possible until Octob
157 Cush : I think the whole idea is awful. Like the article mentioned about London, I think that should be a number one priority. Even better would be LH to FRA
158 Post contains links and images PITrules : Yeah I don't know how I missed this one! The only one I see in the intermediate future are DAL (after the Wright restrictions are lifted), BNA, and L
159 GSP psgr : As for ideas not mentioned in the article: SJU:With B6's growth out of Puerto Rico, I wonder if there might be a market for weekend service here. YUL:
160 atct : PIT-SEA, and to a lesser extent SAN, might be doable from Alaska. From what I hear, their new (past 2 or 3 years) STL service is doing awesome. They d
161 Post contains links PITrules : A more comprehensive article on the gas drilling at PIT and AGC: http://www.equities.com/news/headlin...13-01-17&val=940692&cat=industrial "Be
162 Post contains links PITrules : Or not. Can't get at the FAA, so they look to divert state revenue designated for the airport. I should have seen this coming. "Fitzgerald said on We
163 Post contains links PITrules : "People Express says Pittsburgh is now in running for airline's headquarters" http://www.dailypress.com/news/newpo...ress-pitt-20130130,0,6434221.stor
164 dabpit : If PIT gets the HQ then that will be a really good for the airport and the surrounding community.
165 steeler83 : It would be, but I'm not holding my breath. PE still looks like they have a business model that is risky, and even if they do have success, PA is not
166 FreshSide3 : You also have the lack of air service of any kind from Youngstown OH. Not that it's a big market, but for those who are traveling long distances, for
167 Post contains links kkephart13 : KDKA is now even reporting about PE looking at PIT. But like Steeler83 said, im not holding my breath either. I sure hope it gets off though for PIT s
168 Cush : I had a feeling a few nights ago that PE would consider PIT, as their Facebook page has "Likes" for Primanti's.... Honestly... Unless you visit or hav
169 Cush : This thougt kind of made me laugh... Trivia Question for everyone here @ PIT. - What was the last startup airline to be based/headquartered at PIT? **
170 Post contains images PITrules : It didn't work then because PIT was a huge fortress hub in which the incumbent carrier had a lackadaisical yet still powerful desire to defend its tu
171 steeler83 : Same here! I love that LBE is proving to be quite an alternative to PIT. Heh, the Greater Pittsburgh area has two commercial airports. Who would have
172 MasseyBrown : Welcome them with open arms until they ask for an "investment" in the company. Then keep your hands in your pockets.
173 Post contains links LoneStarMike : PIT year-end totals released today http://www.pitairport.com/airport_statistics Final count: 8,011,581 - down 3.1% from 2011. LoneStarMike[Edited 2013
174 FreshSide3 : It would be consistent with what AS is doing.... Yes, local traffic on German destinations would be stronger than CDG out of PIT, that's for sure.
175 Post contains links PITrules : Not surprising considering the loss of WN to PHL. Its interesting to note that PIT's traffic is down by about 200,000 pax, which is what LBE gained.
176 atct : 2 Carriers already do PIT-Houston (Southwest starts in April) so this campus - campus is served. The only bump is maybe PIT-SFO will go daily on UA w
177 PITrules : PIT-SFO is indeed scheduled to go daily in the summer (as is LAX). Lets hope it sticks to year round daily
178 YNGguins : Youngstown is an interesting market. Most markets of its size (550k), would have a nice batch of air service. With CAK-CLE-PIT within a 90 minute dri
179 Post contains links Cush : Really good article in the PG here. The County just hired a guy for 6 figures a year, with the sole job being to attract new carriers to PIT. His expe
180 steeler83 : Seriously! If this job opens up again because this guy proves to be too incompetent (pretty much everyone else associated with Allegheny County gover
181 kkephart13 : Maybe someone can verify/confirm this... I heard thru the grapevine that there is a Harley Davidson store going in next to the brighton store is?
182 kpitrrat : Yes. At least that is what it says on the white board concealing the storefront. It is right across from the book store in the core of airside.
183 Post contains images steeler83 : What now? This should be interesting...
184 Post contains links PITrules : Not to mention being in the legislative body which confirms appointments to his own authority. The whole thing reeks, as does much of Allegheny Co po
185 steeler83 : ^^ That may be, but I'm still not exactly happy about that. Pennsylvania is very backwards and seems to be doing what it can to isolate Pittsburgh fro
186 Post contains links dabpit : PIT is looking for a new CEO as Mr. Penrod is to become the CSO and President... http://www.flypittsburgh.com/ACAA_Announces_Strategic_Plan
187 tarmacphotos : I wonder which county politician (or relative) will get this job?
188 PITrules : From the article - "Amtrak could not provide separate figures for Pittsburgh-to-Harrisburg ridership. If half of the Pittsburgh riders use that servi
189 Post contains links PITrules : "Allegheny County Airport Authority demotes director Bradley D. Penrod" "In an interview Tuesday night, county Executive Rich Fitzgerald said there ha
190 tarmacphotos : I agree with you about Fitzgerald, but are you endorsing the job Penrod has done? I think he needed to go long ago. I just hope they don't hire anoth
191 PITrules : I think Penrod was a slight improvement over his predecessor Kent George, who seemed very arrogant especially with the way he dealt with US Airways.
192 Post contains links PITrules : "Allegheny County reaches $500 million deal for airport drilling" Consol Energy Inc. will pay an estimated $500 million over the next 20 years for the
193 tooluther : Am I reading correctly that at least the entirety of the upfront payment ($50 mill) is going exclusively to the airport authority as a stimulus to red
194 Post contains links tooluther : also: Any one at the airport today seeing actual diversions/temporary stores a/c from the storms in the north east? http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsbu
195 PITrules : I believe you are correct; the FAA requires that all revenue generated by the airport remain at the airport. However, that can mean it goes to things
196 GSP psgr : So, given what appears to be the imminent merger of US and AA, guesses as to the impact for PIT? Here's my thoughts: -I think we'll see the combined e
197 dabpit : Don't count on to much action if anything at all. Maybe in 3 to 4 years after the dust has settled.
198 tarmacphotos : I enjoyed the Star connection for PIT-CLT-MUN on US/LH. That will be toast.
199 Post contains links and images PITrules : Here are my guesses, posted in another thread: Since then, its interesting to note that AA has indicated an increase to both ORD and DFW in the lates
200 Post contains images tarmacphotos : Looks like we had the same idea...
201 PITrules : Cool pics!
202 YNGguins : Perhaps, but Latrobe and Youngstown have Spirit and Allegiant respectively BECAUSE their landing fees are so low, if not virtually nothing. Secondly,
203 Cush : What is sad is when i am looking for domestic flights, and my first instinct is to check LBE and YNG first.... I live 10 mins from PIT, yet when compa
204 tarmacphotos : Well the US/AA merger is official. The new AA will serve 13 destinations in 60 daily departures from PIT for now.
205 dabpit : Agreed even though the SOC at PIT is fairly new
206 Post contains links Cush : Looks like the new Southwest nonstop flights to PBI are doing well. The article says they are pretty full! http://1iny.com/88997/
207 steeler83 : Almost as big as the US focus city before they shuttered that, or was it officially axed when US dropped their presence to 68 daily flights down from
208 threeifbyair : Agree that AA can move into the existing US operation on B - should be plenty of slack. Bascially AA is using 2 gates (C88/89) and US is currently us
209 tooluther : IIRC UA is consolidating ops on A. I agree that AA will easily slide into US's existing gates on B at which point, the Airport Authority should be abl
210 Post contains images dabpit : That would be a nice flight
211 Post contains images point2point : The market of O&D pax between PIT and SEA (AS main hub) is listed as 253 daily pax from Q3 12, and this is the busy season. The pax number is 136
212 dabpit : That is great info! on a side note where did you obtain the pax numbers? Feel free to PM me! Thanks.
213 Post contains links PITrules : Remember though, these numbers are total between city pairs. The number of travelers going daily each way is half those numbers. SEA could work at le
214 USPIT10L : UA is planning to move to A2, A4, A6, A8, A10, A12 and the ramp space on A14 by Labor Day. Wouldn't be surprised to see AA on B, though. DL will stay
215 PITrules :
216 steeler83 : If there was an emoticon for [head in palm] I'd use that here. Thanks for reposting. That does make things rather interesting tho. AA moves over to B
217 Flaps : Last I heard B6 would keep one gate in C. They would be the only permanent operator. That leaves the rest of C and half each of A, B and D available.
218 Post contains links PITrules : I remember another news link that stated they were to sign for two gates to start with. Considering the above moves, C would make the most sense cons
219 Cush : Don't make fun of me for asking, but what do you see as the prohibiting factors for a small regional carrier setting up shop at AGC? I understand you
220 pliersinsight : Because PIT is under utilized and Pittsburgh is not big enough to justify the same. NYC needs three airports for a reason, London City in England has
221 Post contains links PITrules : I'm not sure if there is anything stopping anyone, but I don't see it supported by the ACAA considering the lack of flights at PIT. AGC does have ACY
222 pliersinsight : Another thought that came to mind after reading PITRules' comments was the noise issue. Both ends of 28/10 and 13/31 to a lesser degree, are over dens
223 steeler83 : There's both of those, and to add onto pliersinsight's reply, here's something I can add. I used to live at the end of Oakleaf Drive in Baldwin Borou
224 Post contains links PITrules : Allegheny Co council approved the airport gas drilling plan tonight. The ACAA should receive the $50 deposit next month, with drilling to be under way
225 steeler83 : From the article: Did I read that right? Did Fitzgerald said that he favors money going toward lowering costs to the airlines? I'll believe it when I
226 Post contains links flightsimer : And on a different note, the US Olympic committee has sent the mayor of Pittsburgh a letter requesting if Pittsburgh would be interesting in hosting t
227 Post contains links PITrules : Well he's a politician, and his lips were moving. We all know he wanted to divert that money but finally seems resigned to the fact he can't. He stil
228 atct : You need to get out more. atct
229 pliersinsight : Well, if you transferred AGC to a Caribbean island and put a Ritz Carlton resort on the field, I'd be onto something. All the money in the world is n
230 PITrules : That's just plain false. More than one airline complained about the high fees, and stated they would add more service if that would not be the case.
231 pliersinsight : I think airlines will always complain about gate and landing fees the way passengers complain about airlines charging them, but if the demand is there
232 Post contains links PITrules : Actually the Pittsburgh MSA is larger than every city below it on your list of O&D markets with the exception of Riverside/Ontario. The next 8 O&
233 steeler83 : To me, those numbers don't add up. Pittsburgh's total annual traffic is around 8.1 million people. O&D numbers below 4 million per annum with O&am
234 Post contains links and images point2point : Yes..... I'm glad that this is observed, since the data is from a blogger, (probably his/her own work, since I can't find this anywhere else but for
235 PITrules : On quick glance, the data 'pliersinsight' supplied seems to be only "origin" numbers, or perhaps "destination" numbers, not total O&D. But when ma
236 pliersinsight : Yes, the data is old, but I couldn't find anything better, for or against my point. Let's go to raw numbers of today and screw around with them: "Four
237 PITrules : Your own experience with ticket prices is very anecdotal. Its February. There was plenty of discussion about the extremely high cost of tickets to bot
238 Post contains links Cush : The control tower at LBE may close... Here are links to the PG and Trib articles. Does this impact Spirit and their growth *long term* at LBE? trib: h
239 pliersinsight : Do all these under served business travelers only fly in June, July and August? I take a statement like that to mean that Pittsburgh travel is only f
240 Post contains links and images PITrules : I agree about the airline activity back in the day not matching the GDP of the region. But the relevant point is to look at how much the GDP has grow
241 Post contains links and images YNGguins : Interesting study out of YNG that shows 60% of the leakage in the Youngstown-Warren-Sharon Leakage area goes to Pittsburgh, while just 18% leaks to Cl
242 atct : Philly was 5 hours from my house, Cleveland was 3. If the fare was worth the difference, I would drive to CLE and CAK. I would not drive 5 hours to P
243 PITrules : It doesn't surprise me one bit that PIT is the preferred airport for Youngstown travelers. But what does surprise me is that DTW pulls almost as many
244 Post contains links tarmacphotos : Spirit considering PIT if LBE tower gets closed? I'd like it. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...rit-allegiant-explore-airport.html
245 PITrules : I'm not sure why Spirit and Allegiant would feel the need to do that; commercial ops at non towered airports are not uncommon.
246 Post contains images NWADC9 : They're considering closing YNG's tower? So the TRSA would go away too? And the ASR approaches? Regarding the two airlines serving the affected airpor
247 YNGguins : I highly doubt Spirit is gonna be leaving PIT and Allegiant at YNG. Tons of Allegiant airports have towers on the list to close. Are they all of a sud
248 flyinryan99 : When they say "close" is it closing fully or just during the night? I know at TOL, they are on the list to close at night, but not during the day...If
249 atct : It has to do with insurance. Airlines do fly to untowered airports but their insurance is higher for said operations. They probably do not have this
250 Post contains links iowaman : Due to this thread getting quite lengthy please continue the discussion in part 25: PIT Update Thread Part 25 (by iowaman Feb 27 2013 in Civil Aviatio
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