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AS History At BOS  
User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

When did AS first begin service to BOS?

Does anyone know if AS does well on their BOS flights?

Is PDX going to stick around long term?

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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 871 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
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Quoting MAV88 (Thread starter):
When did AS first begin service to BOS?

SEA-BOS began in April, 2002. PDX-BOS followed in September, 2007.

Quoting MAV88 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AS does well on their BOS flights?

Yes! Alaska rarely keeps a route for long that isn't making any money!



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User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 1):
Quoting MAV88 (Thread starter):
When did AS first begin service to BOS?

SEA-BOS began in April, 2002. PDX-BOS followed in September, 2007.

Wow, didn't realize PDX-BOS had been running for 5 years.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Flew BOS-PDX once and it was 100% full. Was listening to a pax behind me talking to seatmate stating that he took this flight every 3 weeks or so and it was almost always full and he was hoping for an additional frequency someday soon. Guess he's still waiting.


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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

BOS was the second transcon destination from SEA. It's my guess that you will see some expansion from BOS over the next couple of years.

User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 4):

Expansion FROM BOS or TO BOS? I couldn't imagine any tag-ons out of BOS (although I oft hear the delusional f/a speak of London as a tag-on), but maybe LAX-BOS could work (particularly as a red-eye). There are only 11 flights per day between these cities, eight of which are on comparatively sized aircraft 73H/320. The market is hardly saturated, especially after AA's downsizing on that particular route. It would also work to feed oneworld and SkyTeam connections on either end since AA and DL both have a noticeable presence in either city. Food for thought.

JetA

[Edited 2012-09-13 20:13:12]


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

REK would be an OUTSTANDING tag on from BOS. Can you imagine Alaska Air to Iceland??!!!!

That said, with 2X daily service in the summer by Icelandair, I doubt there is much of a market!

[Edited 2012-09-13 20:15:23]


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User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):

They DO have a healthy codeshare agreement with FI, and if FI could justify the traffic of a third flight. It could work as a way to utilize an overnighting aircraft like what they are doing with SAN-MCO-SAN. Still a bit far-fetched, but more plausible than London!   I could also maybe see SAN or SJC to BOS.

JetA

[Edited 2012-09-13 20:21:36]


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AS does well on their BOS flights?

The last set of numbers I saw was a couple years ago, but indicated that BOS was the second-best transcon destination after DCA.

Within the overall network, it did well, but it wasn't a standout. It generated great revenue, but like all transcons is rather expensive to fly. SEA-DCA was the only outstanding transcon.


User currently offlineJetAmericaS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
It generated great revenue, but like all transcons is rather expensive to fly. SEA-DCA was the only outstanding transcon.

This doesn't surprise me in the least, given that both BOS and DCA are major business markets. I would assume a lot of the MCO/FLL/exMIA are mostly leisure and junk yields. Although the numbers must be there in order for AS to keep the flights going. I am sure EWR is still a lucrative market, although probably less so after ending the codeshare with CO. As many have pointed out, SEA/LAX/PDX-JFK are likely MUCH too saturated for AS to step in. I will be excited to see how well PHL continues to perform. I have heard it has been rather successful, but we will see when the actual numbers are out (full planes don't necessarily = profit).

JetA



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 4):
It's my guess that you will see some expansion from BOS over the next couple of years.

Whatever do you mean 'Flyer?  
Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 7):
I could also maybe see SAN or SJC to BOS.

  
(Please note: I haven't said a thing... only commented on what others have suggested.)

bb


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):
REK would be an OUTSTANDING tag on from BOS. Can you imagine Alaska Air to Iceland??!!!!

That said, with 2X daily service in the summer by Icelandair, I doubt there is much of a market!

For one thing, the airport is KEF. For another, FI serves both BOS and SEA non-stop. I can't imagine why AS would have any interest in this route even if they were looking at Europe.



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User currently onlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

In BOS, Alaska Air enjoys the reputation as a 'premium' airline with excellent service. That flights are full or nearly so comes as no surprise. I think the 'expansion' possibilities have to do with additional flights on existing routes rather than new routes.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):
REK would be an OUTSTANDING tag on from BOS. Can you imagine Alaska Air to Iceland

Not in the least, as already stated above FI serves BOS and SEA as well as ANC, The tie in with FI and AS, is for AS to funnel traffic to FI gateways here in the USA, not for AS taking FI on head to head on a BOS-KEF route where FI has a 757 running vs AS 73G. I doubt very much this would be the way AS ever sees Europe. I beat we see AS in Asia first, IMO.

Quoting JetAmericaS80 (Reply 7):
They DO have a healthy codeshare agreement with FI, and if FI could justify the traffic of a third flight

See above.....

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
The last set of numbers I saw was a couple years ago, but indicated that BOS was the second-best transcon destination after DCA

This would explain why there are non-stops between both SEA & PDX on AS to DCA & BOS even ORD, where there are not flights from PDX to FLL, ATL, EWR or PHL.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
(Please note: I haven't said a thing... only commented on what others have suggested.)

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User currently offlinehiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 955 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

If AS were to add more service to BOS I believe you'd see SAN and/or SJC as the likely candidates. The BOS-London rumor was hot and heavy a few years ago but it was just wishful thinking.

User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Is there enough room on BOS-SAN for a second carrier? I know B6 runs 1 x daily year round and ups it to 2 x daily for 4 or 5 months out of the year.

User currently offlinegreggariouspdx From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3671 times:
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I have flown this route many times and it was always 100% full in First and at least 90% full in Coach. It is an uncomfortable trip at nearly 6 hrs westbound with no power ports and the rock-hard seats. Jet Blue is much better - even than F on AS, IMHO.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Quoting greggariouspdx (Reply 16):
I have flown this route many times and it was always 100% full in First and at least 90% full in Coach. It is an uncomfortable trip at nearly 6 hrs westbound with no power ports and the rock-hard seats. Jet Blue is much better - even than F on AS, IMHO.

The trouble with B6 is the only eastbound flight is a redeye.   

I'm over redeyes (except intercontinental flights). I won't do them anymore unless there's no other option.

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 15):
Is there enough room on BOS-SAN for a second carrier?

Well, AA pulled out, but lots of other carriers can make things work that AA can't. I wouldn't be that surprised if AS tried it.


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Would the 800 or 900ER have the range to do SJC-BOS? According to the circle mapper, thats 2689 miles, making it the longest route when comparing BOS to SEA, PDX, SJC or SAN.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 18):
Would the 800 or 900ER have the range to do SJC-BOS?

No problem at all for either one. Remember, AS flies SEA-FLL with the 738, which is farther yet.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 15):
Is there enough room on BOS-SAN for a second carrier? I know B6 runs 1 x daily year round and ups it to 2 x daily for 4 or 5 months out of the year.

You are correct regarding Blue's service. As far as traffic, yes there is. In 2011, the average O&D traffic over the year between Lindbergh and Logan was right around 400 PDEW. That's certainly enough for 2 year-round flights and this year, B6 delayed the start of the second (peak-season) flight until July. I don't know how long it will remain this year.

IF Alaska were to enter the market, I would REALLY hope to see them schedule a daylight r/t as B6's permanent flight, as mentioned in the thread, is always a red-eye e/b and an evening w/b. I feel that AS would clean up, capturing a good portion of the business business, with a morning departure from SAN, a turn in BOS, and an early evening return to SAN. (Unfortunately that would put such a schedule right on top of the PDX and SEA turns so I don't know about staffing or gate usage.) It was suggested earlier in this thread that perhaps AS might schedule a w/c departure as a red-eye to avoid primary a/c usage but I know that such a route would be much more successful out of SAN at least, if that route were started, if it were a daylight e/b flight.

If the SAN Experiment is still alive, this seems like a natural addition to AS's route map. (It's certainly toward the top of MY wish list for AS out of Sandy Eggo!)  

bb


User currently offline24fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

SEA-BOS goes down to 1x daily on November 3rd as it normally does in the winter. They seem to do well enough though as SEA-BOS has been around for 10 years or so and PDX-BOS has been flown for 5 years. SAN-BOS could be a possiblity as SANFan showed the demand is there and AS has been adding new routes to SAN recently. I would love to see AS add some new routes east from PDX, SAN, and SJC.  .

[Edited 2012-09-14 17:38:42]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting 24fan (Reply 21):
I would love to see AS add some new routes east from PDX, SAN, and SJC.

   (Of course in reality I'd love to see more flights from SAN to the west, north and south too...! But that's just me -- and a few other people.)  

bb


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

I flew AS SEA-BOS shortly after it inaugurated. Ironically Logan had weather with strong winds. ATC sent us circling near PVD. Although it was a bumpy landing with a lot of flaps I later found out we had a pilot who flew into Juneau (JNU) on several occasions. As I exited the aircraft I mentioned to the Captain that was almost like flying into Juneau. He replied back a piece of cake. Those weren't his exact words to another pax exiting ahead of me which went something like that was a tough.


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25324 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 6):
REK would be an OUTSTANDING tag on from BOS. Can you imagine Alaska Air to Iceland

Not in the least, as already stated above FI serves BOS and SEA as well as ANC, The tie in with FI and AS, is for AS to funnel traffic to FI gateways here in the USA, not for AS taking FI on head to head on a BOS-KEF route where FI has a 757 running vs AS 73G. I doubt very much this would be the way AS ever sees Europe. I beat we see AS in Asia first, IMO.

Even if there was enough traffic to warrant another carrier from SEA to KEF, a routing via BOS would make no economic sense. AS would have to offer competitive fares, probably even lower than FI due to the inconvenince and much longer travel time, while flying the passenger 35% further.

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SEA-BOS-KEF - 4266 nm


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