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Amazing New JAL Business Class Seats  
User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 26801 times:

JAL is launching new products across all 4 classes in their newly delivered 77W :

http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/ss7/ (site in japanese)

All other classes look like incremental improvements upon excellent products, but the one that really caught my eye is how spacious the business class look. Feels a bit like the BA config, but with all seats forward.

Seems like JAL has set the new bar for J in the sky.

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 26759 times:

Much better than the BA configuration, as a window seat does not need to step over the aisle seat person's legs. I really dislike the BA business class seats.

The video screen is very large. Otherwise, it looks to be on a par with other true lie flat seats.


User currently offlineYankeesFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 26818 times:

Those seats are nice! Pics below.
New First.
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/first/seat/img_main.jpg
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/first/entertainment/img_figure1.jpg
New Business.
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/business/seat/img_main.jpg
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/business/entertainment/img_figure1.jpg
Premium Economy.
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/premium_y/top/img_businessY.jpg
Economy
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/economy/seat/img_main.jpg
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/economy/seat/img_figure2.jpg
Images courtesy of Japan Airlines.
What do you think of the seats?

[Edited 2012-09-14 06:39:40]


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 26502 times:

it looks great... is premium economy very spacious or the guy is very short?? becuase it looks like 40 to 42 inches

First look awesome, similar to SQ, business looks nice as well but nothing very new,


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26225 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Much better than the BA configuration, as a window seat does not need to step over the aisle seat person's legs. I really dislike the BA business class seats.

How does FA serve meal to window passenger if aisle passenger is sleeping? Through through the open partition?


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26092 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
it looks great... is premium economy very spacious or the guy is very short?? becuase it looks like 40 to 42 inches

They always hire the skinniest people to do these product shots to make them all extra spacious

The girl in regular economy is probably 4.5' tall


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26067 times:

Looks pretty good! Glad to see JAL investing in their longhaul product!


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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25862 times:

Does anyone have any idea what the boxes are under the economy seats?

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25860 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
Does anyone have any idea what the boxes are under the economy seats?

life jacket ?


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25809 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
life jacket ?

I thought that but the box looks quite big!


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15444 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25780 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
Does anyone have any idea what the boxes are under the economy seats?

The one with the red strap coming from it appears to be a life vest and the larger black box underneath the seat is probably the AVOD IFE box.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25794 times:

Just trying to play catch up with ANA.

Both ANA F and biz class look amazingly similar.


First class cube



Biz staggered lie-flat


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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 975 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25637 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Both ANA F and biz class look amazingly similar.

I don't know. JAL's F class sports better finishes and a less boxy enclosure. Conceptually, I suppose they are similar, but I think the F passenger will appreciate the JAL suite more.

As to business class, both are boxy, but with two different layouts and with two different enclosures. JAL's enclosure provides more privacy.

Whatever the case, with the future in business being a 1-2-1 layout with "full" aisle access, it is disappointing to see JAL not opt for something that even their JV partner (AA) will have.

[Edited 2012-09-14 09:11:45]

User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25635 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Just trying to play catch up with ANA.

Both ANA F and biz class look amazingly similar.

Exactly what I was thinking!

And I'd hasten to add with NH's "Inspiration of Japan" soft product, JL will have to do more than just the hard product upgrade to match ANA.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25610 times:

It's nice to see a Japanese carrier using colours that aren't white/black/light blue/light timber. I rather like the layers of texture and colour used in the J seat, though it appears that there will be quite a high level of disparity between different seats (ie only outside aisle seats will get the full depth storage units, inside aisle seats appear to get a half depth storage unit and window/centre seats will get nothing) -- I think I would prefer the NH layout...

Nice update though  


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25604 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):
it looks great... is premium economy very spacious or the guy is very short?? becuase it looks like 40 to 42 inches

They always hire the skinniest people to do these product shots to make them all extra spacious

The girl in regular economy is probably 4.5' tall

Car manufacturers do the same thing in photos showing their supposedly spacious rear-seat legroom in small cars, as well as moving the front seat so far forward no normal-sized person would fit in the front either.


User currently offlinecaleb1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 348 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25431 times:
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Wish the exteriors of JAL's aircraft looked as attractive as the new interiors.

User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 25083 times:

It looks like JAL have changed their cabin colour palette. I'm not sure it looks better.

The first class seat on the website does not look that comfy with big dips between the cushions.

The food always looks amazing.


User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 25080 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 12):
JAL's F class sports better finishes and a less boxy enclosure.

Given that ANA calls their F class seat the "Cube", I can't imagine anything being any boxier than that.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 25041 times:
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IS the J class 7 seat across staggered per row ? Looks as if there are 3 seat in the middle ?

User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24708 times:

JAL is indeed about 2-years behind ANA in introducing new premium product, so its important they try to catch up.

I've seen the ANA product and its frankly very very good.

The F class cube is almost like the SQ suite, while the lieflat staggered business seat is one of the best out there. Lots of room and privacy.
I am very surprised JL opted to 2-3-2 configuration in business when NH has and the industry is shifting towards a 1-2-1. Does not seem half as spacious as the PR would like to make it.

Also for their premium economy looks to be catch up with ANA, but JAL opts to use a new seat design while NH went with something like an older business class seat. Time will tell which is more comfortable.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24529 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
Is the J class 7 seat across staggered per row ? Looks as if there are 3 seat in the middle ?

Not sure what the J class layout is. They say every J seat will have unobstructed aisle access.

English press release here (no photos).
http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201208/002217.html


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24312 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24446 times:

J class is 7 across 2-3-2.

Its on a diagram on their website
http://www.jal.co.jp/newsky/common_newsky/img/ss7/business/seat/img_figure1.jpg

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24183 times:

Only downside is that no couples could sit together

User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24019 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 3):

it looks great... is premium economy very spacious or the guy is very short?? becuase it looks like 40 to 42 inches

Because the seat pitch really is 42"  

And the new JAL Business Class is the one that EOS Airlines had.


25 MFC : Well, but if they take a seat in each side of the aisle they wouldn't be that far away from each other.
26 BEG2IAH : Reminds me of office space, i.e., cubicles. Perspective might change you are seated.
27 splitterz : The new first and business look very sharp, it does however, seem slightly claustrophobic.
28 incitatus : The partitions look like a cube farm in a cheap software sweatshop.
29 Post contains images photoshooter : I must say their new product looks really nice! I would like to try out their Premium Economy product which looks really nice. This made it even harde
30 usdcaguy : True; almost like reading carrels in a public library. That said, I think it looks pretty comfortable and private. I'd be interested in how much ligh
31 Flighty : I agree. Give me comfy J without walls anyday.
32 DocLightning : I'm surprised the man appears so obviously Asian. Generally, Japanese tend to think of White people as "big." Because of this, Japanese car and aircr
33 incitatus : I've traveled LHR-JFK on BA seat 64K upper deck and I could not have asked for better. Facing a wall, by the window with the divider up I missed all
34 Post contains links and images ardian : It looks amazing, all the classes. Too bad they didn't continue with the current color scheme (especially in Y), as I really like it (elegant, soothin
35 zoom1018 : Now people are to sit in boxes... it is no different from sitting in a public office with isolating walls.
36 airbazar : Exactly. I find this new trend of putting partitions between seats, disgusting. It all looks like a cramped, cubicle office space. I much prefere the
37 christao17 : While the product looks nice, those center seats could be claustrophobic. Just a little cubicle with a narrow passageway to the aisle. I don't know th
38 spacecadet : The new business class obviously offers less total space than ANA, which is 1-2-1. That said, JAL seems to put the space where you really need it, whe
39 qf002 : This layout is actually far more spacious than any other staggered J seat out there. In a 777, they usually have a total of 8 seats across the plane
40 smi0006 : I like the new seats!! Which aircraft will they be fitted to, I still recall seeing rather recent photos of current, old, older and very old seat acro
41 TreeHillRavens : Spot on! It seems most people aren't aware that this new JAL J seat is actually wider and the width is more or less the same from head to toes area i
42 Post contains links profcalvin : exactly...if you look at the numbers the JAL J-class seats are more spacious then competitors. I think this is a great upgrade on their in flight pro
43 Rafabozzolla : I fail to see how this arrangement is more space efficient as non-staggered one...
44 qf002 : It's not really -- the benefits are direct aisle access from all seats and privacy.
45 LDVAviation : Good point.
46 JAL : The new Inflight products looks simply amazing! Great job JAL!
47 Post contains links Viscount724 : BA's J layout on the 777 (and 747) is 2-4-2,not 1-2-1. There is no "narrow hole" for your legs and feet. The area for your legs and feet is slightly
48 spacecadet : It's not really accurate to say it's "8 seats across". It's 4 seats across in each row - the extra space occupied by the seats in the next row is jus
49 qf002 : I'm aware that BA's product is not staggered -- I used it as an example because it's so easy to see how the taper of the seats works to allow airline
50 Post contains links spacecadet : It absolutey *is* the case! In terms of total width, you get the exact same amount of space on ANA in business and first class, which are both 1-2-1.
51 Post contains images bojangles : Wow, really??! What office has these amazing cubicles that, at the touch of a button, has a softly cushioned, multi-adjustable chair that relines int
52 infinit : It looks classy. I'd love to try it. At least it doesn't look clinical like their older cabins, which I find is quite peculiar to the North Asian carr
53 qf002 : If there is no taper, then the NH product most certainly is 8 across. If every seat is reclined into fully flat mode, then you have 8 bodies across t
54 Post contains links and images spacecadet : To what bizarro world "logic" are you referring? This is ANA business class: That is the entire width of the 777 cabin. What "logic" dictates that th
55 qf002 : The only difference between the two is that NH puts a table over the end of the adjoining seat, while JL leaves it as empty space!! If you look at th
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