Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
The first one is in final assembly now, so it should roll out in a week or so. Depending on how much certification work is required since it is the first 739ER for ASA, it should be a month or so away from delivery.
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24fan From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5668 times:
My guess would be some of the longer routes out of SEA that the current 737-900s can't do. SEA-EWR and SEA-BOS and maybe even SEA-ATL and SEA-PHL. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the 737-900ERs will be ETOPS certified, so you won't see them in Hawaii.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4719 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5417 times:
I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5319 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 8): I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)
Runway length is too short. The 737-900 and -900ER are both big runway pigs.
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 9):
Would AS flying ANC-EWR work? Sure would be nice. I could see UA flying that route in the future.
Too long for any 737, except possibly a 73G, which would have disastrous yields on a route that long. That's really a 757 route.
[Edited 2012-09-14 22:37:48]
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chrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1769 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5228 times:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10): Runway length is too short. The 737-900 and -900ER are both big runway pigs.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
I don't know if there is a "size issue" at DCA but if the -900ER can operationally be used there, I would certainly expect the SEA and LAX flights from there would be the first AS routes to be upgraded. (And PDX if the traffic will support the bigger a/c.)
Alaska flew 737-900s SEA-DCA for years (and IAD, post 9/11). They were replaced for good when the 737-800s came online, though the route saw a 73G right after 9/11. In fact, the only reason AS got the SEA-DCA route in 2001 was because of the 737-900--they had to have an aircraft with similar capacity to the TWA 757.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3763 times:
Quoting chrisair (Reply 11): Alaska flew 737-900s SEA-DCA for years (and IAD, post 9/11).
With major restrictions. The 737-800 has significantly greater effective capacity on a transcon from DCA than the -900. Offering a -900 as a substitute for a 757 from DCA was a nice snow job.
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 13): Hey guys, does all of their current fleet of 12 739 have winglets?
All but the first three built, which apparently have different wing structure that would make a winglet conversion prohibitively expensive.
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coopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
When I flew out to Boston over the summer it was on a 737-900 with no winglets. So they can fly the route but probably only when the winds are not too bad.
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 16): When I flew out to Boston over the summer it was on a 737-900 with no winglets. So they can fly the route but probably only when the winds are not too bad.
The 739 can fly it when loads are low. A 739 is unlikely to make BOS-SEA without payload restrictions that impact capacity. I'd be surprised if the plane didn't have blocked seats unless the winds were favorable.
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hiflyeras From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 606 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
The 900ER's are planned for west coast-Hawaii...particularly routes out of SAN and the Bay Area (OAK, SJC, SMF). Depending on the jet stream, they might be used out of the Pacific NW to Hawaii as well. Strong headwinds westbound would require using the 800ER.
The Pacific jetstream moves south in the winter...with strong westerly upper-level winds of up to 100+ knots. It will often park itself on a straight line between Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, bringing drenching tropical rains in the winter. This can add an hour or more to the flight time between Seattle and Hawaii.
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3932 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2346 times:
Quoting hiflyeras (Reply 21): The Pacific jetstream moves south in the winter...with strong westerly upper-level winds of up to 100+ knots. It will often park itself on a straight line between Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest, bringing drenching tropical rains in the winter. This can add an hour or more to the flight time between Seattle and Hawaii.
That's nice dear, but that is this mythical 800ER you speak of?
yeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 526 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 week ago) and read 2167 times:
As others have said , the -900ER's will be ETOPS. They will also join the starliner in not having lei's installed. Which makes me think that Hawaii is not going to be a primary destination for them, at least in the near term.
27 yeelep: Didn't say they wouldn't be flown on Hawaii routes. I just don't believe that will be their primary use.
28 spiritair97: But isn't there only a handful of 738s with the lei's actually installed? Would that really have anything to do with where they are primarily used? P
29 CONTACREW: I'm not exactly sure how many 738s have the leis on them, but the primary reason they were put on was when AS introduced service to hawaii a few year
30 spiritair97: Oooh. Did not know that. Thanks for the info
31 BayAreaBlue: Correct in that the 900ER ETOPS A/C will not have the lei installed. Currently all but 2 of the 800 ETOPS A/C have the lei installed. Took some logic
32 chrisair: How can you install a sticker? When do they start on this route? I might need to make a quick LAS-SEA trip.
33 EA CO AS: While the -900ER will occasionally see Hawaii service, their main use will be transcon and midcon markets, along with high-density needs (the occasio
34 BayAreaBlue: Oops, forgot to add the start date...November 13th.[Edited 2012-09-17 01:48:55]
35 RWA380: Ah, the pineapple express, when this winter pattern takes hold, we gets buckets of rain for days on end, when the Arctic blasts meet up over the Nort
36 yeelep: There are currently 47 ETOPS -800's, all but N512AS (Spirit of Seattle) and N569AS (Starliner 75) have lei's installed. Originally there was to only
37 chrisair: Thanks. That flight still shows a regular 739 at least on Expertflyer. What's the code for a 737-900ER anyway? Thanks wise guy.
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So then we may see the 737-900ERs in Hawaii.
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