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Chicago Looking For Goats To Graze At ORD  
User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 11521 times:

Wait...they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers? Wow. I guess planes haven't spewed out tons of fuel fumes every time they have taken off in the past 50 years. Great environmental plan guys! Keep up the good work. Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...-at-ohare-20120914,0,2055145.story

"Chicago is looking for goats to graze the outer reaches of O'Hare International Airport. And a goat herder too.

Amy Malick is the Aviation Department's point person for sustainability, and she says the city is looking at a pilot program of 30 goats to eat grass and weeds in one, hard-to-mow area.

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

Malick adds that the department also worries about pollution produced by mechanical mowers, so they're turning to the four-legged variety.

Atlanta recently started a similar effort, and San Francisco has been using goats for years."


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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Wait...they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers? Wow. I guess planes haven't spewed out tons of fuel fumes every time they have taken off in the past 50 years. Great environmental plan guys!

So if you can't fix the whole problem in one fell swoop, you shouldn't make any incremental efforts?

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Keep up the good work. Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

I would assume this concern is addressed from within the story (quoted via you):

Quote:
Amy Malick is the Aviation Department's point person for sustainability, and she says the city is looking at a pilot program of 30 goats to eat grass and weeds in one, hard-to-mow area.

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3836 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11496 times:

I like it!

And:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.
Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):

She says the area is outside the security fence, so there's no danger of goats on the runways.

Soren   



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1823 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
they're worried about pollution from lawn mowers?
Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
in one, hard-to-mow area.

Ermmm, maybe they're just looking for a different way to care for that area? With the pollution just being a side benefit? This is my nomination for "C'mon Man" of the week.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

I wonder if the goats will unionize and then demand better grass to chew on and bigger stalls in the barn  

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11349 times:

Oh man, if only grass would taste good it would be a perfect job for me and my camera..  

User currently offlinexlc From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11345 times:

In a few years, an animal rights organization will claim that the airplanes are spoiling the goats' habitat and the airport will have to be closed.

  

I will say that goats are really good at stripping the ground in otherwise hard to maintain areas (e.g. steep hillside, lots of ditches, rocks, etc.). Of course, this ability also means they're really hard to keep in a confined area. I commend them and wish them luck.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25999 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

Related news item from ATL earlier this week.
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/now...at-hartsfield-jackson-sheep/nR8nz/

And this photo from the Philippines.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drexel/497609643/


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

So it has to be south of Irving Park or west of the airport boundary where they grow shrubs for the airport. I've seen trees out there too, which are used in the city.

Everywhere else is within the fence line.

[Edited 2012-09-14 12:59:52]

[Edited 2012-09-14 13:01:30]

User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11173 times:

How long until we see O'Hare Goat Cheese being sold in the terminal?

But seriously, this is a far better idea than hassling with mowers.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11115 times:

Quoting xlc (Reply 6):
I will say that goats are really good at stripping the ground in otherwise hard to maintain areas (e.g. steep hillside, lots of ditches, rocks, etc.). Of course, this ability also means they're really hard to keep in a confined area. I commend them and wish them luck.

It makes me a little worried about that. They can eat tin cans, so I'm wondering what kind of fence is going to adequately contain them for aviation safety.

"Tower, this is United 124 Heavy. The reason for the go-around was a herd of goats on the runway."  
Quoting xlc (Reply 6):
In a few years, an animal rights organization will claim that the airplanes are spoiling the goats' habitat and the airport will have to be closed.

I predict that the goats will unionize and demand healthcare, dental, family leave, and coffee breaks.  


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11095 times:

Sheep go to heaven
Goats to the airport?



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User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10654 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11067 times:

ORD can probably find what they need in the city council.


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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3678 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

They use goats for "landscaping" in downtown LA too, for environmental reasons. Never heard of that "method" - at least in cities and airports - before I saw goats all over the place one morning.

User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10924 times:

I think you are overcomplicating the issue. If there's a goat herder then obviously he won't let the goats go out of his sight, let alone chew through a fence. Why would a goat even wanna chew through a fence? This also reminds me. While visiting a Russian airbase this summer (and last summer), I noticed that there is actually NO fence AT ALL around the perimeter. One can literally walk up to the runway (until the security spots you   ). And the fields directly adjacent to the runway are regularly used by goats with a goat herder. If they have no problems doing it, I'm sure a much bigger airport like ORD can handle it. Although sights like this sure are funny to see.

http://aviaforum.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=242970&d=1306534474


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
It makes me a little worried about that. They can eat tin cans, so I'm wondering what kind of fence is going to adequately contain them for aviation safety.

I've never known a goat to eat anything that isn't good for it outside of a couple plants that are poisonous to them. Problem with goats and fences is when you get goats fighting across the fence or goats using the fence for other reasons (scratching/climbing). They are very territorial and most of the time will start to panic if they find themselves on the wrong side of a fence. I've even had goats stay in their pen when a gate was left open until I was there the next day they so dislike being out of thier accustomed area.

Also for those that worry about them getting on the runway. The biggest goats are 300-350lbs or so and thats pretty exceptional for a meat breed. A dairy breed will be no where near that. So even if against everything they normaly do they find thier way onto a taxiway, its not going to be a major issue hitting one. Noise, lights, pavement, etc will all keep most goats well away regardless of fencing.


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 8):
Everywhere else is within the fence line.

There is more than one fence. You're thinking of the outer perimeter fence. I know of at one internally fenced area which may well be what they are talking about. There is a drainage ditch that runs through the northwest corner of the airport--where the hangars, employee parking, and storage tanks are. Also a ditch near the north perimeter, but this may not be fenced from the operational area.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10760 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Chicago Looking For Goats To Graze At ORD  

Not to worry. Some alderman's nephew's son-in-law owns a goat farm and will give them a real good price. Even with the kickback.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

Oh, lamb chops on runway 9L? I'll be there!  
Quoting Web (Reply 9):
But seriously, this is a far better idea than hassling with mowers.

Well, trying to say it's to stop air pollution when you have a fleet of jet fueled aircraft coming and going all day and night is kind of a lie.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
Can't wait til one of the goats gets loose and gets hit by a plane.

   Screw bird strikes, GOAT strikes are going to be the new thing now     

Just imagine one of those things getting sucked into a GE-90....we'd have goat slushie all over the runway and pretty much just a tube of a cowling left after that!

Quoting IllinoisMan (Thread starter):
And a goat herder too.

Yeah let me check my buddy who is a job placement officer for how many GOAT HERDERS there are left in this country searching for work   



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User currently offlineTrucker From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10594 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 18):
Oh, lamb chops on runway 9L?

Lamb chops from a goat? Hmmm! Maybe kid chops.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Yeah let me check my buddy who is a job placement officer for how many GOAT HERDERS there are left in this country searching for work

Might not even need goat herders. You'd be surprised how well a good herding dog can control a group of animals wether it's sheep, cattle, goats, or even ducks. And they work cheap....no unions.

If they have the goats anywhere near runways or taxiways they'd have to have double fencing. But overall this concept is very doable.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Goats do a good job on lawns. But I'd be worried about all that jet fuel misted grass being good for them. I think over time it would poison them.

And let's not forget that goats LOVE to climb up on things. Like buildings and cars. And while doing this they also cause considerable damage to the car/truck with their hooves.


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10557 times:

It's only a matter of time before the goats realize that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence....  


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10456 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 13):
They use goats for "landscaping" in downtown LA too, for environmental reasons. Never heard of that "method" - at least in cities and airports - before I saw goats all over the place one morning.

Google uses them at their campus. It's actually becoming very popular. It's cheaper, more environmentally friendly, and the goats produce their own fertilizer at the same time as they mow the grass!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Screw bird strikes, GOAT strikes are going to be the new thing now

Stranger things have happened. There was that AS 737 that had an mid-air collision with a salmon. http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=78&channel_id=7

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):
Goats do a good job on lawns. But I'd be worried about all that jet fuel misted grass being good for them. I think over time it would poison them.

If planes are spitting out uncombusted fuel at those sorts of levels, there is something wrong with the engines.


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10654 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 21):

And let's not forget that goats LOVE to climb up on things. Like buildings and cars. And while doing this they also cause considerable damage to the car/truck with their hooves.

If it's the areas I think they're talking about, there are no cars of buildings for them to climb on. I was thinking along Irving Park Road, westbound from Mannheim on the north side of the road, probably all the way up to where the post office is, inside and outside of the fence.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 LTBEWR : I hope the goats are under watch when there or some locals may steal them for food or steal to resell to a butcher. Goat is eaten by some from Carribb
26 jcwr56 : Yes, out towards the fuel farms is where I think you're referring too and along the vehicle roadway coming in from post #1. I could see that area usi
27 XT6Wagon : goat is eaten pretty much everywhere now. and believe it or not, theft is driven more not by inability to pay or the shadyness of any group, but its
28 mayor : Would that be in the northwest part of the airport rather than the southeast portion that I was thinking of?
29 Post contains links rduddji : Interestingly enough, at the plant where the GE-90's are made (Durham, NC, US), they use goats to eat the grass on their solar farm next to the plant
30 Post contains images PHX787 : I'm gonna laugh so hard when some spotter in ORD gets a photo of a goat that climbed up on the wing! Was it the Salmon livery jet?
31 SIA747Megatop : It is certainly interesting to note how much people on an aviation forum know about the characteristics of goats.
32 Post contains images mayor : Well, I'm a Capricorn and I HAVE been called an old goat, many times.......
33 DocLightning : Self-repairing and self-reproducing, too!
34 MCOflyer : This has got to be one of funniest threads on here. KH
35 Post contains images PHX787 : Just don't step in it Haha wow that is quite interesting! Again, raising the irony- "So what happened to this Ge-90?" ->Plant manager "oh, one of
36 KLASM83 : Man, doesn't this just get your goat? That would be a funny NOTAM on Tower if they got loose "Caution, flock of goats right of runway 32-L, departure
37 brahmin : The goats at ORD will be now be on the sex tour list for Al Quaeda.
38 brilondon : That should answer any questions about goats on the runway.
39 jcwr56 : Correct, between the 14's if you look on google maps. The other area is just north of the post office and south of the AA cargo building. There are t
40 comorin : Q: Is a sheep a female goat? thanks. ps: I'm a city kind of guy...
41 comorin : But do they code?
42 TSS : No. Although they are similar species, domesticated sheep and goats are quite different in appearance, personality, and habits. Sheep: Male = Ram Fem
43 ordjoe : This is a great idea, much better than hiring city workers at the cost of $75 an hour or more (that is at least how much the total cost of employing m
44 jet-lagged : Thanks for posting! Nice to see people looking at new and better ideas, and not being shackled in by thoughts limited to the status quo.
45 Post contains images connies4ever : At the Freelandsmuseet outside Copenhagen, basically a replica of 16th/17th century Denmark, there are a lot of small buildings with thatched roofs. r
46 Post contains links IllinoisMan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_goat "Goats are extremely curious and intelligent...They are also known for escaping their pens. Goats will test
47 mayor : Well, some of us were raised on a farm.......me on a 288 acre cattle farm about 50 miles west of Chicago. No goats or sheep though......had hogs for
48 ericaasen : According to the Sun Times today they said the goats would be used on a property east of Mannheim and north of 190 that is owned by the airport. So it
49 mayor : Almost sounds like the employee parking lot or what used to be the employee lot (across Mannheim from the old reserve base).
50 ericaasen : The employee lot is now behind the AMC building at the end of Montrose. Looking at Google maps the area I think they're talking about is bordered by
51 comorin : Thank you for the explanation. I guess sheep don't have the 'goatees' either.
52 Post contains images readytotaxi : "Danger Wil Robinson" . . . . I can already hear the alarm bells ringing in Australia. "We tried that with Cane Toads, and look at us now."
53 jet-lagged : Gotta nip this in the bud. If this works (until the inevitable goatastrophe) some nut will convince officials to use them to trim grass in American pr
54 frmrCapCadet : I think goat herders, who may not be with the herd all of the time, are aware of how to effectively fence in goats. I suspect eventually they will use
55 Post contains links and images LMP737 : This will give the local cougars something to snack on. http://gazebonews.com/2011/10/24/the-cougars-tale-in-lake-forest/
56 Post contains links and images SuperDash : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jxa7T6WGQ They could always hire this guy. Might be cost prohibitive to get him from Seattle to Chicago.
57 XT6Wagon : Goat electric fencers put out shocks the same as you would for large cattle. Not as much duration, but it needs the volts to make them care. A dog co
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