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Frontier To Discontinue Provo, Utah  
User currently offlinetan1mill From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

It was just announced that Frontier will discontinue service to Provo effective January 7, 2013. According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loca...2-16cb-5c93-83c8-141268b74c86.html

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22144996&nid...nue-flights-to-provo&s_cid=queue-1


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Gosh, I thought all the proponents of this service thought this was the best thing since sliced bread. Guess not, huh?


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 1):
Gosh, I thought all the proponents of this service thought this was the best thing since sliced bread. Guess not, huh?

The proponents still do.

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the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons

i.e. future lack of aircraft? Loads high, but fares not?

Sad that F9 is not able to sustain an experiment longer. Unfortunately, squashing naysayers does not help their bottomline. I love it when naysayers are squashed. Because when the aren't squashed, they are obnoxiously arrogant.


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

I never thought this would work. Too close to SLC. Why fly Provo-DEN-ORD when you can drive to SLC go nonstop to ORD, not worry about weather in DEN, missing connection or canceled flights?

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6258 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 1):
Gosh, I thought all the proponents of this service thought this was the best thing since sliced bread. Guess not, huh?

Hardly the best thing since sliced bread, but an interesting move.

But I doubt it could support the A319 (terminal space for one thing) and all the E190's are leaving.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 2):
Because when the aren't squashed, they are obnoxiously arrogant.

And usually correct.  



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinednstevenson From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Sad day   I took the flight last year and loved it.

I tweeted about the news and got this response from @FrontierCare:

"it is truly unfortunate, the route just wasn't performing to our expectations & at this point we don't plan to return. ^AM"


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Well, if it wasn't for lake of demand.........

Quoting tan1mill (Thread starter):
According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.

But it wasn't performing up to expectations:

Quoting dnstevenson (Reply 6):
"it is truly unfortunate, the route just wasn't performing to our expectations & at this point we don't plan to return. ^AM"

What could the problem be. Seems like the two are connected.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineairlinewatcher1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting dnstevenson (Reply 6):
"it is truly unfortunate, the route just wasn't performing to our expectations & at this point we don't plan to return. ^AM"

This contradicts what the Provo mayor had to say:

Curtis said city officials were told by Frontier that the airline hopes to resume flights in and out of Provo in the future.

"While disappointing, this is just a temporary setback," Curtis said in news release. "The Provo flights were often full, proving that there is a demand for the service."

I also find it odd that Provo was told by Frontier as recently as a month ago that they'd be getting the A319.

Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

Not just Provo. Four other cities too from what I'm hearing.

User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Quote:
Four other cities too from what I'm hearing.


I have heard Provo, Akron, Dayton and Philly, don't know the other though.



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User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Maybe, watch out G4 or United Express or AA Eagle would fly to Provo someday.

Q


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5541 times:
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Provo is going experiencing same as Ft Collins' Allegiant experience it seems.


As for Akron and Dayton, no surprise, with FL (now WN) nonstops.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5515 times:

Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 8):
"The Provo flights were often full, proving that there is a demand for the service."

Apparently, Provo's mayor doesn't realize that full doesn't always mean profitable.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5501 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Apparently, Provo's mayor doesn't realize that full doesn't always mean profitable.

I don't think he used the word "profitable."

Given that there is a SCASD grant supporting the flight, I would be surprised if he did.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Apparently, Provo's mayor doesn't realize that full doesn't always mean profitable.

I don't think he used the word "profitable."

Given that there is a SCASD grant supporting the flight, I would be surprised if he did.

Let me rephrase that.........apparently the mayor doesn't realize that great demand doesn't mean it's profitable enough to keep operating, not counting the grant.

Apparently, even with good demand AND the grant, it wasn't enough to keep operating. I can't think of any other reason to terminate service.



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User currently offlinetan1mill From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5457 times:

Here is a statement from the Mayor of Provo:

http://provomayor.blogspot.com/2012/...-temporary-setback-at-airport.html



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5439 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
I can't think of any other reason to terminate service.

If Republic's E190's were not being removed from Frontier service, it might not have gone away.

Frontier is becoming an all Airbus airline and not even I think that PVU could support the A319.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10649 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5439 times:

Then, possibly, there's a communication problem at Frontier and the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. One person says they have no plans, at this time, to return and the mayor is getting the info that it's a fleet problem and only temporary and should be resolved when the fleet problems are resolved.


Who knows?



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5436 times:

I thought I read over the summer that the flights were averaging around 60% LF? I wasn't aware that they were full.

Also, what;s this I hear about the E-190s leaving?! When was this announced?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5436 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 18):
Then, possibly, there's a communication problem at Frontier and the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.

It may be. Since Frontier hasn't put out a press release about the planned cuts yet, PVU may have jumped the gun.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 8):
Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.

They are flying some of these new routes because there is money on the table for them, once the money is used up they will come up with an excuse as to why they are pulling out of a city then go and start service to another city who has cash on the table for them.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5353 times:
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Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 8):
Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.

The cuts this week-end affect some more mature routes.

The airline has a new CEO who is refashioning the airline, and is removing some (not all) of the dependency on DEN.

It is also true that unless a station can support the A319, it will not - eventually cannot - stay. So SBA, for example, goes to A319.

mariner

[Edited 2012-09-14 19:16:56]


aeternum nauta
User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5327 times:

Anyone know if F9 plans on keeping the TVs and what they plan on doing with WiFi? They added Gogo to the e190 but now they are getting rid of them.

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Also, what;s this I hear about the E-190s leaving?! When was this announced?

10 out of the 15 are leaving and they are looking for someone to take the 5 others. Its been known for a while now though.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 5295 times:
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Quoting airliner371 (Reply 23):
Anyone know if F9 plans on keeping the TVs and what they plan on doing with WiFi? They added Gogo to the e190 but now they are getting rid of them.

Doesn't US Airways have Gogo wifi? I thought it did and it's taking 5 of the E190's.

mariner



aeternum nauta
25 spiritair97 : US does have GoGo, but only on the a321s. It is also being installed in the E-175s this winter.
26 Post contains images mariner : It's installed on the 5 x E190 if they want to use it. Presumably, one day, they will. Be funny if they uninstalled it and then reinstalled it later.
27 Post contains images enilria : If only I had a feather to knock me over. I guess the subsidy must run out the day it is cancelled. I said this was stupid and wouldn't last. Do I ca
28 mariner : Since you say pretty much everything won't last, I guess you've got the bases covered. mariner
29 mayor : By the time this is reinstated (if it is), the UTA Frontrunner commuter train will be serving "Happy Valley" along the Wasatch Front. People in Provo,
30 Post contains images mariner : I haven't heard that it will be reinstated. It would be nice, but I doubt it, because, as stated above, there won't be any E190's. mariner
31 mayor : Just going by the mayor's statement, depending on how credible that is.
32 mariner : Fair enough. I would count as a hope rather than an actuality, but I think PVU does have some potential. I think it would need PVU-LAX or LAS as well
33 IllinoisMan : In the second link the quote from F9: "Provo has consistently failed to meet our expectations. We won't share hard data on the performance simply bec
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