tan1mill From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5598 times:
It was just announced that Frontier will discontinue service to Provo effective January 7, 2013. According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.
rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2851 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5457 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 1): Gosh, I thought all the proponents of this service thought this was the best thing since sliced bread. Guess not, huh?
The proponents still do.
Quote: the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons
i.e. future lack of aircraft? Loads high, but fares not?
Sad that F9 is not able to sustain an experiment longer. Unfortunately, squashing naysayers does not help their bottomline. I love it when naysayers are squashed. Because when the aren't squashed, they are obnoxiously arrogant.
Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1360 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5438 times:
I never thought this would work. Too close to SLC. Why fly Provo-DEN-ORD when you can drive to SLC go nonstop to ORD, not worry about weather in DEN, missing connection or canceled flights?
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9182 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
Well, if it wasn't for lake of demand.........
Quoting tan1mill (Thread starter): According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.
But it wasn't performing up to expectations:
Quoting dnstevenson (Reply 6): "it is truly unfortunate, the route just wasn't performing to our expectations & at this point we don't plan to return. ^AM"
What could the problem be. Seems like the two are connected.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
airlinewatcher1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
Quoting dnstevenson (Reply 6): "it is truly unfortunate, the route just wasn't performing to our expectations & at this point we don't plan to return. ^AM"
This contradicts what the Provo mayor had to say:
Curtis said city officials were told by Frontier that the airline hopes to resume flights in and out of Provo in the future.
"While disappointing, this is just a temporary setback," Curtis said in news release. "The Provo flights were often full, proving that there is a demand for the service."
I also find it odd that Provo was told by Frontier as recently as a month ago that they'd be getting the A319.
Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
Not just Provo. Four other cities too from what I'm hearing.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4793 times:
Quote: Four other cities too from what I'm hearing.
I have heard Provo, Akron, Dayton and Philly, don't know the other though.
mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2118 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
Provo is going experiencing same as Ft Collins' Allegiant experience it seems.
As for Akron and Dayton, no surprise, with FL (now WN) nonstops.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9182 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4642 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 14): Quoting mayor (Reply 13):
Apparently, Provo's mayor doesn't realize that full doesn't always mean profitable.
I don't think he used the word "profitable."
Given that there is a SCASD grant supporting the flight, I would be surprised if he did.
Let me rephrase that.........apparently the mayor doesn't realize that great demand doesn't mean it's profitable enough to keep operating, not counting the grant.
Apparently, even with good demand AND the grant, it wasn't enough to keep operating. I can't think of any other reason to terminate service.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9182 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
Then, possibly, there's a communication problem at Frontier and the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. One person says they have no plans, at this time, to return and the mayor is getting the info that it's a fleet problem and only temporary and should be resolved when the fleet problems are resolved.
Who knows?
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
I thought I read over the summer that the flights were averaging around 60% LF? I wasn't aware that they were full.
Also, what;s this I hear about the E-190s leaving?! When was this announced?
crj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 8): Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.
They are flying some of these new routes because there is money on the table for them, once the money is used up they will come up with an excuse as to why they are pulling out of a city then go and start service to another city who has cash on the table for them.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 22, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4534 times:
Quoting airlinewatcher1 (Reply 8): Too many of F9's routes seems to be relatively short lived. I'm not convinced that all these newer oddball routes are working out great for them.
The cuts this week-end affect some more mature routes.
The airline has a new CEO who is refashioning the airline, and is removing some (not all) of the dependency on DEN.
It is also true that unless a station can support the A319, it will not - eventually cannot - stay. So SBA, for example, goes to A319.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
Anyone know if F9 plans on keeping the TVs and what they plan on doing with WiFi? They added Gogo to the e190 but now they are getting rid of them.
Quote: Also, what;s this I hear about the E-190s leaving?! When was this announced?
10 out of the 15 are leaving and they are looking for someone to take the 5 others. Its been known for a while now though.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 23): Anyone know if F9 plans on keeping the TVs and what they plan on doing with WiFi? They added Gogo to the e190 but now they are getting rid of them.
Doesn't US Airways have Gogo wifi? I thought it did and it's taking 5 of the E190's.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 25, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Quoting mariner (Reply 24): Doesn't US Airways have Gogo wifi?
US does have GoGo, but only on the a321s. It is also being installed in the E-175s this winter.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6130 posts, RR: 13 Reply 27, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4512 times:
Quoting tan1mill (Thread starter):
It was just announced that Frontier will discontinue service to Provo effective January 7, 2013. According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.
If only I had a feather to knock me over.
I guess the subsidy must run out the day it is cancelled.
Quoting mariner (Reply 4): Hardly the best thing since sliced bread, but an interesting move.
I said this was stupid and wouldn't last. Do I can any "I told you so" points?
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9182 posts, RR: 14 Reply 29, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
By the time this is reinstated (if it is), the UTA Frontrunner commuter train will be serving "Happy Valley" along the Wasatch Front. People in Provo, Orem, etc. will be able to go to SLC on it and connect to the light rail (TRAX) to the airport. Seems like a better option to me, considering the better connectivity out of SLC compared to DEN. Depending on your destination in the west, particularly, using SLC eliminates one stop on your trip, compared to leaving PVU for DEN and then connecting out of there. Now, if your destination is just DEN, it's probably handier, but I would imagine that at least 1/2 of the pax on board are connecting, if not more. Even if you're going east, SLC is still a better deal.
"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 30, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 29): By the time this is reinstated (if it is), the UTA Frontrunner commuter train will be serving "Happy Valley" along the Wasatch Front.
I haven't heard that it will be reinstated. It would be nice, but I doubt it, because, as stated above, there won't be any E190's.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22711 posts, RR: 88 Reply 32, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
Quoting mayor (Reply 31): Just going by the mayor's statement, depending on how credible that is.
Fair enough.
I would count as a hope rather than an actuality, but I think PVU does have some potential. I think it would need PVU-LAX or LAS as well, though, not just DEN.
It also needs a larger terminal, because even the PVU blokes admit that a full A319 would create a very tight squeeze in the present building.
Even if it is all pipe dreams, that's not a problem for me. I've lived on pipe dreams all my life, and a fair few of them have become reality.
IllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 33, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4327 times:
Quoting tan1mill (Thread starter): It was just announced that Frontier will discontinue service to Provo effective January 7, 2013. According to one article, the reason has nothing to do with a lack of demand, but for other reasons.
In the second link the quote from F9: "Provo has consistently failed to meet our expectations. We won't share hard data on the performance simply because of competitive reasons. As of right now there are no plans to return to the Provo market."
Quoting Bobloblaw (Reply 3): I never thought this would work. Too close to SLC. Why fly Provo-DEN-ORD when you can drive to SLC go nonstop to ORD, not worry about weather in DEN, missing connection or canceled flights?
Personally while I wanted to try this service, I never did. The prices weren't amazing. The destinations I wanted to go to out east always required a several hour layover either direction in DEN due to the limited schedule in and out of PVU. The cost of gas and economy parking at SLC isn't so excessive to make it worth the hassle of layovers and early/late flights. If PVU does get another airline in I hope they have better connections and competitive pricing.
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