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Rumour: DL To Announce SEA-PVG On 9/17  
User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 23573 times:
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Heard it today while talking the scuttlebutt and is supposed to be announced on Monday. Rumors are just rumours, I know. But there was something different about it, and from whom it came from.


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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 23507 times:
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About time if true. I've been saying they needed to announce this flight ever since they stopped ATL-PVG. DTW-PEK,PVG cover the east coast and i think they needed to add to SEA-PEK so they can have the west coast covered with all the connections that AS can provide for them out of SEA. Any rumour or speculation on what type of aircraft they might use for the flight? I believe a 767 with winglets should be able to do this route year round without restrictions.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3157 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 22856 times:

That would be interesting. If true then DL would have the following international routes out of SEA:

AMS, CDG, NRT, KIX, PVG, PEK.

Not bad. Did I forget anything? I'd like to see LHR return with better flight times.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 22697 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 2):
Not bad. Did I forget anything? I'd like to see LHR return with better flight times.

Delta is trying to add SEA-HND ,but we will have to see on that one


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1275 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 22516 times:

If true, that route will be a great addition. I think that's a market that's likely to grow.

As a local spotter, I'd hope for more interesting metal than yet another 767, but I'll take what I can get.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 22283 times:
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Could that mean that China will respond with its own International service from some airline like China Southern or Shanghai Airways? Albeit several years ago, but Shanghai Airways had mentioned SEA when they received Dreamliners.

User currently offlinetexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 21557 times:

What about Sea-Hkg? Is there a market for this route by DL or by other airlines?


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User currently offlinedelta747tlv From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 21039 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 5):

China southern is sky team


User currently offlineEyeSky From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 20793 times:
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Just to add to add some grist to the rumor mill, I have heard that CX may be interested in starting up SEA - HKG service in the near future.

User currently offlinecontext From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 19734 times:

I continue to be pleasantly surprised at Delta's growth at SEA!

I wonder what this might say about their Asia strategy at DTW and MSP?
How strong is O&D at these airports for Asian destinations?
Will we see a shift of traffic away from DTW/MSP to Delta's growing West Coast focus cities?

This must be a cash cow for AS!


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18854 times:
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Quoting context (Reply 9):

We won't see that happen, DTW and MSP flights have feed from all over the east coast from large and small cities that do not have direct service from SEA. If they closed off the Asia flying from DTW and MSP all of those places would have to double connect and DL would lose all that traffic to hubs in the Midwest and east coast that do. In order to stay competitive with AA and especially UA that has major Asia gateways from EWR, ORD, and SFO DL will need a east coast gateway in DTW and a developing west coast gateway in SEA. When it's all seas and done I can see DL add LHR, NGO, PVG, and HKG to the portfolio of international flights already flown.


User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18633 times:

Quoting context (Reply 9):
I wonder what this might say about their Asia strategy at DTW and MSP?

What "Asia strategy" does DL employ from MSP? You are aware there is only the single NRT flight on the 777 out of MSP?


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18422 times:

well you won't see Shanghai Airlines in SEA with 787s they cancelled them and ordered more 737's this happen not long after they left STAR ALLIANCE.


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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 17899 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 10):
When it's all seas and done I can see DL add LHR, NGO, PVG, and HKG to the portfolio of international flights already flown.

LHR is another route mention in the conversation, but I would see that happen after the appropriate numbers of reconfigured 76T/Z are achieved and back flying. HKG is another imminent announcement IMO. In fact, it would not surprise me if HKG is announced along with PVG(whenever that truthfully is). Why spread the news out when you make a big bang all at once?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 17591 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 10):
When it's all seas and done I can see DL add LHR, NGO, PVG, and HKG to the portfolio of international flights already flown.

Do you really think SEA is that big? I'm not even sure if AS can supply enough connecting passengers. Then again I do tend to underestimate SEA. A little while ago I was surprised to see them serving AMS and CDG, so I guess LHR wouldn't be too hard to add



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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 17356 times:

SEA has a bigger market than people realize. EK gets 15% of its SEA pax from Canada, mainly the Vancouver area. The fare difference is enough that many Canadians drive into the U.S. to begin their flights. This also applies to eastern Canada as well.

User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 16787 times:

DL needs to pick up their game to Asia. I really hope that DL adds more Asian flights from JFK. I would love to see JFK to PVG, PEK and HKG. I don't think that DL can keep getting away with relying on their one stops at NRT. It would add good competition to UA's Asian routes in the NYC area.


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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 16323 times:
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Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 16):
DL needs to pick up their game to Asia. I really hope that DL adds more Asian flights from JFK. I would love to see JFK to PVG, PEK and HKG. I don't think that DL can keep getting away with relying on their one stops at NRT. It would add good competition to UA's Asian routes in the NYC area.

The problem is, that JFK is a nightmare to fly in and out of, whether you're connecting, beginning or ending your trip there. And it's very difficult to make JFK-Asia routes work. Most of the carriers, over the years, were either established US carriers(such as NW PA and later UA and CO, but only flew routes on a very small scale) and the state-run carriers like CX, CA and others. Plus the security taxes and departure taxes (from JFK's endless construction projects) make the entire NY area undesirable for the average passenger. You could get yourself a cheap fare out to the west coast and fly from SEA, SFO or LAX and save a few dollars in the process. And also, a majority of the Asian-American population lives on the west coast. And it makes the market worth investing in more than the likes of NY. It's just how the market rolls. Just because UA does it, doesn't exactly mean it's a major money-maker for them. SEA and PDX are the only major cities on the west coast that, until recently, were largely ignored by Asian carriers over the years.

[Edited 2012-09-15 19:55:29]


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User currently offlinechris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 169 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15917 times:
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Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 17):

CX a state run carrier? I don't think so.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 15816 times:
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Quoting chris7217 (Reply 18):
CX a state run carrier? I don't think so.

I didn't mean they were all state-run carriers, but for the most part, "most" flag carriers in Asia are state-run



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 14806 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 12):
well you won't see Shanghai Airlines in SEA with 787s they cancelled them and ordered more 737's this happen not long after they left STAR ALLIANCE.

That's too bad. Could SEA handle another PRC airline? Lately, YVR has been getting the majority of them.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 17):
SEA and PDX are the only major cities on the west coast that, until recently, were largely ignored by Asian carriers over the years.

SEA had plenty of SEA-Asia service in the past with NW, JL, TG during the 1980's and 1990's...any others?

Quoting traindoc (Reply 15):
SEA has a bigger market than people realize. EK gets 15% of its SEA pax from Canada, mainly the Vancouver area. The fare difference is enough that many Canadians drive into the U.S. to begin their flights. This also applies to eastern Canada as well.

I've also been told that EK's fares out of SEA are less expensive than SFO and LAX. AS has been seeing some feed into and from EK through SEA.


User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12248 times:

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 16):
DL needs to pick up their game to Asia. I really hope that DL adds more Asian flights from JFK.

Out of NYC, it seems that NRT/HKG are the largest destinations. I'm not sure there is enough O&D demand for PVG service on DL metal in addition to MU while the UA/CA PEK flying out of both EWR and JFK seems like a lot of service. DL does not have the robust hub at JFK that UA does at EWR, so I don't see them launching many other Asian destinations anytime soon. DL's push into NYC has been very interesting, but its success seems to have been mostly a domestic story with a number of Transatlantic markets thrown in the mix (many of which are seasonal) alongside NRT/GRU. Latin America seems a little weaker with mostly tourist/VFR destinations.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 17):
The problem is, that JFK is a nightmare to fly in and out of, whether you're connecting, beginning or ending your trip there.

That's supposed to change in 2013, when the Terminal 4 extension will be completed. There can be delays at almost any airport, and I find customs at Terminal 4 better than many other places. DL will have to work to change perceptions, though. Additionally, there is an inherent problem in DL's connecting traffic to/from JFK; it serves many larger markets that already have nonstop service to Europe. UA has nonstop service (often on 50-seaters) from many smaller domestic markets that provides feed for their service out of EWR.


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 17):
The problem is, that JFK is a nightmare to fly in and out of, whether you're connecting, beginning or ending your trip

Indeed it is. In fact, It functions a lot like a hub with connections and such; but as a passenger - I'd avoid flying through JFK. I'd take DTW/ATL/MSP any day for connection.

I think JFK's Asia service on DL does well for the local market and feed. They've long been strong to Europe with DL, so until the full terminal rebuild is done - I think they are good for now.

If the "experience" improves, then we can take another look.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11564 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 20):
SEA had plenty of SEA-Asia service in the past with NW, JL, TG during the 1980's and 1990's...any others?

And how well did those services do? NW(Whom I worked for) pulled out of HKG in 1998 after a 3 or 4 year-run, JL and TG left town ended up leaving town in the early 1990s and have yet to return. Did these airlines pull chocks from LAX or SFO and stay absent? No they didn't. With the exception of UA and NW, up until recently since NH arrived, SEA has virtually remained neglected over the years

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 21):
That's supposed to change in 2013, when the Terminal 4 extension will be completed.

Well, IMO it really doesn't matter what's "opening up" because leaving the new terminal thing out of the equation, it's the congestion inside and outside of the airport. Departure and arrivals stacked up waiting to leave, waiting for a gate, waiting to land. The terminal is most-likely going to have countless teething problems which will only add to frustration of flying out of JFK. And then there's the constant construction outside of the terminal, traffic diversions, switch-backs while trying to navigate around the ring around the terminals. It's just a mess. When they finish one project, they immediately move on to another improvement project, it's never-endng. In SEA, every 5-10 we see a "major project, ie; the revision of the tramway and S-gate security back in 2001, the extension to the A-concouse(which had almost zero interference on pax operations, and the most inconvenience experienced by passengers has been the replacement of all escalators and elevators, which has been the biggest headache we've had to endure. Most of all of the big projects in SEA, have been off the airport grounds, unlike JFK which right the middle of it all. It's no party there, Just sayin.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11541 times:

Your post confuses me. Are we talking about SEA being JFK? Is it good, or bad?

NS


25 Post contains images context : That sounds pretty reasonable. I hope we continue to see sustainable growth at SEA. Didn't realize that! A few years back (shortly after the NW/DL me
26 jetjack74 : I'm talking about the advantages of flying to Asia via SEA over flying out of JFK, and the reason's it's so under-utilized on flights to/from Asia. Y
27 AF185 : SInce DL stopped its HKG-DTW route 2 weeks ago, I also believe they will add a new direct flight from HKG to the US, either JFK or SEA
28 BDL757 : Yeah, the new terminal is supposed to be a lot more spacious and have remote stands were aircraft can be serviced (cleaned, catered, etc) and not tak
29 rwsea : My understanding was that the NW flight to HKG was always full, but the yields were the problem. The route was run with a 742. I think that with a sm
30 SeaMeFly : And also at that time, cargo is a separate entity .. Now that DL has eliminated that program, hopefully with cargo included on the flight, yields won
31 Post contains links nickofatlanta : Interestingly, Richard Anderson, Delta's CEO, signalled the possible launch of this route earlier this year: http://seattletimes.com/text/2017630265.h
32 RWA380 : CO, AA, UA come to mind, not to mention the DL Asian hub just down the road at PDX, with a DL 72S SEA-PDX-SEA
33 Post contains images PIEAvantiP180 : In my personal oppinion i thing they can. Just think of JFK, DL only has about 190 daily flights but most of them are timed for the major evening pus
34 jetjack74 : I think it will be SEA, and I wonder what we'll use, a 777 since it's been vacated from DTW. And I wonder how it might rotate through the SEA, will N
35 DeltaMD90 : That is quite ambitious but it seems that DL is pretty committed to SEA at the present, I daresay it may even reach "hub" status (with a big thanks t
36 Post contains images bobnwa : Wow another pre announcement of a pending announcement on Anet, that never came about!!!!
37 rwsea : At first glance, moving NRT to a 777 would make sense, but if all these new destinations were added (HKG, PVG) then the NRT flight would lose the pax
38 Post contains images ual777uk : Yep, like you, i am still waiting.......on the 18th!
39 SeaMeFly : oh be quiet ya'll !! it did say "RUMOUR" ! ;p
40 alexinwa : So no news is bad news? Sucks!!!
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : The rumor is that DL is going to start another SEA-Asia route in 2013; HND or PVG, depending on the HND slot ruling. If DL gets HND, its going with SE
42 PIEAvantiP180 : I'd rather see then start SEA-PVG. DL already has SEA-NRT and if they had to start SEA-HND with recent start of NH flying SEA-NRT i believe everybody
43 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Kinda ironic posting a rumor in a rumor thread that never actually happened
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