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SkyWest To Operate SLC-LAX For 3 Airlines  
User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Later this year when OO starts operating for AA out of LAX, They will be operating SLC-LAX for three different airlines, Delta, United and American.

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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Does OO have mx, training, etc. facilities at SLC? I figured it might be similar to everyone funneling various Republic brands as regionals to CMH with the base and mx facility there, for example.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Does OO have mx, training, etc. facilities at SLC? I figured it might be similar to everyone funneling various Republic brands as regionals to CMH with the base and mx facility there, for example.

Yes. The hangars and training are on the same plot of land, and can be seen from the terminal.

SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Also, I should note that based on how the schedules are laid out currently, all but 1 flight LAX-SAN flight will be OO. That lone flight will be an AE CR7.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7039 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting ridgid727 (Thread starter):

Later this year when OO starts operating for AA out of LAX, They will be operating SLC-LAX for three different airlines, Delta, United and American.

That is crazy. All three alliances as well. ...and people say there is no difference in product between airlines, LOL.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
That is crazy. All three alliances as well. ...and people say there is no difference in product between airlines, LOL.

Staying within the scope of the thread here, if you've flown SLC-ORD on both DLC or UAX in the recent past, one would certainly note the difference in product---even on the same regional.

Sure, you get a cold meal in first on DLC, but it's still a meal.  



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Staying within the scope of the thread here, if you've flown SLC-ORD on both DLC or UAX in the recent past, one would certainly note the difference in product---even on the same regional.

Sure, you get a cold meal in first on DLC, but it's still a meal.

Not to mention wi-fi on Delta - something that United nor American features (or has announced plans to feature) on their regional jet fleet.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

AA's strategy ex-LAX is very interesting. I mostly see a mix of cr-7/9 operating SLC-LAX for both DCI and UAX, but it looks like AA will try competing with OO cr-2s on many LAX west coast routes? LAX-SAN/FAT/BFL/PHX/LAS would be OK on off peak routes, but they really need larger RJs for their west coast regional routes especially since its roughly the same cost to operate a cr-7/9 or a cr-2.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
Yes. The hangars and training are on the same plot of land, and can be seen from the terminal.

SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)

Thanks! I figured OO at SLC had something to do with that.


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 8):
Thanks! I figured OO at SLC had something to do with that.

I think the bigger issue here is that OO is handling [almost] all regional flying hubbed west of DEN.

QX still flies Q400s for AS
MQ will still do 70 flying for AA out of LAX
There are some sub-30 seat bit players (Great lakes, Seaport, Kenmore).

Other than that OO has the rest of the west coast pretty much sewn up.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 7):
but they really need larger RJs for their west coast regional routes especially since its roughly the same cost to operate a cr-7/9 or a cr-2.

You have to remember, with OO losing the CR2 flying from both DL and FL, they have a bunch of those torture tubes hanging around not doing much flying. This means that OO doesn't have a lot of wiggle room with the aircraft that they have contractually obligated to their fleet for other airline flying. That leaves the abandoned CR2s to work with AA.

The statement I quoted above is technically incorrect as the CR2s cost so much more to operate than the nextgen CR7/9s. But with very little options AA has, it is technically stuck with the CR2.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 10):
The statement I quoted above is technically incorrect as the CR2s cost so much more to operate than the nextgen CR7/9s. But with very little options AA has, it is technically stuck with the CR2.

Actually, no, the CRJ-200s cost less to operate, but their CASM is higher.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

The same will be true for SMF-LAX and I imagine a few other mid-sized western cities.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

It is kind of crazy but its a crazy industry

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 2):
SLC is the largest MX base, and is a large crew base (but not the largest anymore.)

What is the largest crew base for OO? LAX?



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User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

anyone know of any city pairs where OO will operate for US, AA, DL & UA or even AS and 3 others?

User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):

Higher CASM= cost more per mile to fly=higher operating cost.
Its cheaper to fly a 70 seater with 50 passengers than a full 50 seater.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Clearly branding matters the next time people say NO its skywest not delta that operates slc-xyz etc etc.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 16):
Higher CASM= cost more per mile to fly=higher operating cost.
Its cheaper to fly a 70 seater with 50 passengers than a full 50 seater.

You mis-understand me. On a block-for-block basis, the -700 is NOT cheaper to operate than the -200. When you compare CASM to CASM, yes it is.



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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

I'm pretty sure that SLC is in fact the largest crew base still. DEN would be the next largest base, but still at least 80 crew members less per pilot seat than SLC.


Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
You mis-understand me. On a block-for-block basis, the -700 is NOT cheaper to operate than the -200. When you compare CASM to CASM, yes it is.

CASM is what my original post was talking about. Obviously if you can't hold as much fuel and have to pay one less F/A, it will be cheaper to operate. The overall cost (CASM) is much more expensive for the CR2 over the CR7/9



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2192 times:
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AA elites are not going to be thrilled with those OO CR2s. Will AE continue to operate LAX-SJC-LAX? I hope AA decides to add some larger regional jets, they definitely could use them to stay competitive, especially with DLC.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 21):

AA elites are not going to be thrilled with those OO CR2s

All pretty short flights though.........


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