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BA Confirms 787, A380 Delivery Dates  
User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35704 times:

For any of you tracking the BA 787 & A380 deliveries, ATW has this piece on said topic.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...first-787-a380-delivery-dates-0917


"British Airways (BA) has announced delivery dates for the first of its 24 Boeing 787s and 12 Airbus A380s.

The first 787-8 is expected to arrive in May 2013; a further three of the type should be delivered by year end. The first three A380s will be delivered in July, September and November 2013."



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12416 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35662 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Thread starter):
"British Airways (BA) has announced delivery dates for the first of its 24 Boeing 787s and 12 Airbus A380s.

The first 787-8 is expected to arrive in May 2013; a further three of the type should be delivered by year end. The first three A380s will be delivered in July, September and November 2013."

Wow! In a way, BA is letting Boeing and Airbus know to keep to schedule. It will be very interesting to see how BA utilizes the 787s and all of their BMI slots. With the A380, it will be very interesting to see how they are deployed.

Overall, we will be wishing BA well in 2013!

Lightsaber



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User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35399 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Wow! In a way, BA is letting Boeing and Airbus know to keep to schedule.

It also answers the question from the A380 production thread, as to how long it will take to deliver after it rolled out of body join facility with the painted tail and no engines on Sep 11.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35388 times:

I guess BA went for RR engines? Would be strange if they didn´t.

User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 35074 times:

I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes. Also how they are going to be configured.

I know they say they are to replace the 767s, but I can imagine that it will be a couple of routes that see regular 787 service, while the rest wait for the rest of the 787s to replace the 767s.

Also as the LH 767s are 3 class with no F product, its going to be interesting to see if they stick with that set up on the 787s or will we see the F product on them, I kind of think they may go 4 class with them!

Still hoping that I will see one in GCM maybe in 2013!



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34880 times:

I'll be interested to see how they utilize their A380s especially since they don't appear to have any fancy tricks up their sleeve like a spa, bar or shop onboard.

The fancy cabin operators may still run the show.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9377 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34671 times:

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 4):
I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes. Also how they are going to be configured.

I believe I read on here that they are going to be 3 class C, Y+, Y with a new 7 abreast club world configuration.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34626 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 5):
I'll be interested to see how they utilize their A380s especially since they don't appear to have any fancy tricks up their sleeve like a spa, bar or shop onboard.

IMO, the A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34416 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):

Makes sense, especially in BA's situation, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of strange routes once the fleet has built up a bit. There are plenty of cities where BA might be looking to add moderate amounts of capacity -- the A380 will offer them the ability to shift single daily 744 destinations to slightly more capacity without increasing underlying costs by adding flights (in exactly the same way that they would a 777 to a 744).

They are adding a great deal of flexibility to the fleet, so I think they'd be wise to use that flexibility rather than just sending this new plane on traditionally heavy traffic routes.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34412 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.

And HKG....


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5223 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34416 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
It will be very interesting to see how BA utilizes the 787s...
Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 4):
I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes.

  

I know there was talk that BA's LHR-SAN route would be a natural for the Dreamliner. However, since the LFs for the flights on the T7 have been excellent, particularly in the summer season, the most I could see would perhaps be to use the 787 for a few months (January-March?) during the winter. (July 2012 saw an average LF of 94% while February of this year saw the low LF of about 72%.) Of course I have no idea how the yields have been, or other particulars, but BA is definitely carrying lots of people (and apparently a good amount of cargo) on most of their flghts in and out of SAN.

bb


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34382 times:

Has BA discussed any routes for their A380 & B787?   

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34345 times:

I'm not sure the 388 will be overly used to US destinations as there is a concentration on frequency with a lot of them (JFK especially).

I think BA have already mooted HKG and JNB as destinations for the A380. Will be interesting to see how this pans out and it wouldn't surprise me if SIN got one based on QF's pending withdrawal from the kangaroo route.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34339 times:

I can hope for YYZ !

User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 33287 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 3):
Would be strange if they didn´t.

Not really. BA (IAG) is a plc. If the competing engines represent better value for money for BA, then BA won't hesitate to have them hanging off the wings. The most recent A330 order for IB went to GE, as was the case for the initial 777s.

Also GE, much to RR's annoyance, won the very lucrative $2 billion MRO contract.

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.

AF on the otherhand ..........


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 31404 times:



Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 14):
Not really. BA (IAG) is a plc. If the competing engines represent better value for money for BA, then BA won't hesitate to have them hanging off the wings. The most recent A330 order for IB went to GE, as was the case for the initial 777s.

Also GE, much to RR's annoyance, won the very lucrative $2 billion MRO contract.

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.
Quoting sweair (Reply 3):

I guess BA went for RR engines? Would be strange if they didn´t.

actually according to this BA have selected RR engines for both the A380 and the B787's

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7015621.stm
"Both types of planes will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines, the airline said."


http://press.ba.com/?p=277
"British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787 aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s. Both aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines."

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/new...007/british_airways_selects_rr.jsp
British Airways has selected Rolls-Royce Trent engines..........The order includes 12 firm and seven option Airbus A380 aircraft and 24 firm and 18 option Boeing 787s, scheduled for delivery from 2010."

maybe this is the reason BA chooses RR

Willie Walsh, Chief Executive Officer of British Airways, said: “The Rolls-Royce Trent family has a proven track record of strong environmental performance. The engines we have selected are supported by an innovative service offering and we know that they will deliver the best operational value.”

and as a RR shareholder I agree   

[Edited 2012-09-17 11:09:14]


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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 30329 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
IMO, the A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.

The first 3 A380 will fly to HKG as that is BA's biggest city in Asia and JFK, with 7 744 daily how could they not do New York.


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 30017 times:

There is a huge weight saving when choosing Rolls Royce Trents. Wil make a real difference in coming years.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 29649 times:

What fallacy that BA will only buy British? They HATE buying British. They wanted the B707 over VC10, reluctantly bought a bastardised Trident, wanted only four Concordes, refused to buy the Airbus and plumped for the L1011 and then replaced the Trident with the B757 over the A310.

They do have a good relationship with world class Rolls Royce however. The only time they haven't taken the RR option was the initial B777 order which was linked to the sale of the Welsh overhaul facility. Indeed later deliveries of the same series, B777-236ERs came with Rolls Royce engines rather than the inital GE90s.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 29322 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 14):

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.

Care to explain the Boeings and GE90s they bought and operate?



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28980 times:

Ok cracked shafts aside until Trent1000-TEN GEnx is the better choice for fuel burn on 788s. Trent missed a whopping 4% and Genx below 3%, with PIP1 they are about 1% over spec, at spec with pip2, Trent 1000B is still 2% above spec, C will be 1% over and TEN will be 1% better than spec.

So what do you choose, a cracked shaft and 1% over spec or 2% above with a Trent1000B.

Air France will probably go for RR, to have some sort of familiarity with their A350 engine pools. Will AF get any 787s or will they all go to KLM?


User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28363 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 20):

It isn't just fuel burn tht determines the choice of engine on a particular model. You have to factor in purchase or lease costs (remember engines aren't included in deals normally, they're negotiated separately - is it purchase outright or power by the hour?). You also factor in expected lifetime maintenance costs, which particular engine suits the routes you want to deploy the aircraft on - a reason the T700 is so popular on the A330 is because of its strong performance at high atmospheric temperatures, and a host of other things. It's not simply down to fuel burn.

I can see the A388 being deployed on SIN, HKG and maybe LAX - I'm not so sure about JFK because LHR-JFK is a frequency dominated market, not so much pure seat availability. I may be wrong though, I often am  

The 787 will suit adding frequency to certain routes that maybe need it but can't support it with BA's current fleet: maybe a 2nd daily to GIG or GRU, maybe more Chinese destinations such as CAN. South America and Asia are where traffic growth lies, not North America.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 27822 times:

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 17):
There is a huge weight saving when choosing Rolls Royce Trents. Wil make a real difference in coming years.

GEnx now is displaying an innovative spontaneous weight reduction feature, it chucks various compressor and turbine blades out the back end!



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User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 27470 times:

I think from a PR point of view I can see the A380 deployed on the NYC route,and I wonder would one of the destinations for the 787 be YYC???

User currently offlinedeclarets From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2011, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 27223 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
GEnx now is displaying an innovative spontaneous weight reduction feature, it chucks various compressor and turbine blades out the back end!

I just spat my tea everywhere  


25 RAGAZZO777 : The 787 would be perfect for opening up BOG, LIM and SCL in South America IMO.
26 imiakhtar : Well duh! That was precisely my point. Too many people are getting hung up on this notion that BA ordering RR engines is a given when, past purchases
27 Post contains images Hooverman : I believe that if AF has an option they will always go for GE. The initial batch of 787's are for KLM.
28 ANA787 : When will BA announce its 787 destinations? I could see them running 787s to YYC, SAN, BWI, PDX, STL.
29 sydaircargo : would be great to see the A380 in BA colors come to SYD , keeping the kangaroo route alife via SIN
30 FoxBravo : Easily, if the A380 can't fit at their terminal. I don't think there are any gates at T7 with two jetways, let alone three. Even if it's physically p
31 nomorerjs : What about DFW and ORD for the 380? Both are huge 1W markets with 1 and 2 flights daily (of course AA frequency is more than double that). ORD may be
32 FWAERJ : ORD does not have any A380-capable gates, which is why LH is sending the 748I to ORD instead.
33 YVRLTN : YVR is rumoured to be fairly early on the list - 2x daily 744's 3.5 hours apart in summer. We are also A380 ready here for some reason...
34 Post contains links and images astuteman : Boeing suggest that Trent package B will be 1% above spec...... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...7-performance-spec-albaugh-354340/ Given a cho
35 vv701 : Quote from the thread opener's link: "A BA spokeswoman said the carrier will announce initial routes for the two new types later this year."
36 vv701 : Quote from the Thread Opener's link: "A BA spokeswoman said the carrier will announce initial routes for the two new types later this year."
37 airbazar : I don't think so for the following reason... SIN is slightly larger for BA than HKG. BA operates 2x744 to SIN vs. 744+777 to HKG. Plus all the seats
38 Sydscott : Don't forget all of that capacity is because of the JSA with QF. Once that ends in April next year you might find SIN scaled back in capacity a littl
39 kaitak : I think they've already announced that HKG will be one of the routes served, but I also think there is a good reason why HKG will be one of the route
40 thegeek : Once the JSA ends, what of the code shares? Will BA still put its code on SIN-PER/ADL/BNE/CNS flights (perhaps DRW)? Similarly will QF put its code o
41 Sydscott : Will QF put it's codes on BA services, probably not. There will be an interline agreement along normal alliance terms I'd have thought. Will BA put i
42 thegeek : Still caters to the stopover market though.
43 Post contains links and images sturmovik : http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/7975838617/ Spotted this on the A380production website..
44 UA933 : The painted tail looks more white compared to today's livery. Don't you think?
45 sweair : Hey I was joking, don´t go all EMO on me..Both engines are probably the most efficient engines currently flying, relax. Trent1000-TEN will be the bes
46 SKAirbus : If BA only bought British then surely they would have an all Airbus fleet considering where the wings are made and now that BAE Systems and EADS are
47 FlyCaledonian : Interestingly, I recall on another thread about BA refurbishing 7 S/H and 7 L/H 767s (funded from 787 delays) the airline was considering paying to re
48 VC10er : How long will it take BA to be fully rid of 744?
49 Post contains links and images frigatebird : Probably because on other aircraft the red extends to the tailcone: View Large View MediumPhoto © Weimeng Guess the height of the A380's tailfin has
50 Polot : I don't think they are finished painting the rear fuselage, the height of the tailfin really doesn't matter as the red portion on the bottom still in
51 skipness1E : Surely you see there was a one off reason for the GE90 order on the first tranche of B777s and that they reverted to their preffered supplier soon af
52 vv701 : BA will have already made a decision as to which kind of route the 380 will initially operate. Clearly, at least in the initial period of operation, w
53 airbazar : Regardless they are still in the same OneWorld alliance. You guys are making it sound like somehow once the JSA ends, the two alliance partners will
54 imiakhtar : A fallacy = a mistaken or incorrect belief. I promise to use simpler words in the future. All that aside, it will be interesting to see which directio
55 mixalakhs : Great it was about time. I love the A380 and as a BA frequent flyer I will try and fly with the A380 when I visit the USA. I am also looking forward a
56 cx828 : CX has already claimed that they would rather have frequency, so they would probably would stick on 77w 4 daily eventually or 5 if CX can get another
57 FoxBravo : I agree it's a flagship route, but as far as I know T7 is not A380-ready, and I haven't seen any evidence that they're making preparations. Even 744s
58 FI642 : It would be great to see a BA 787 at Baltimore!
59 Tristarsteve : But the A380 carries more pax, so some of those extra LD3s will have bags in. Also BA does not use LD1 containers. In fact I do not know anyone who d
60 Post contains links ANA787 : BWI is on the chopping block not surprisingly. Don't expect it to be around much longer. Too close to IAD and PHL. The airport is desperately trying t
61 Post contains images Revelation : Indeed - a worn shaft is bad, a bent shaft is worse, and a cracked shaft is beyond contemplation!
62 BA174 : That could be interesting seeing VS now operate on the route, It would give a BA a clear advantage over VS A330 on top of the higher frequency BA hav
63 skipness1E : ANA787 there's a thread running with a different view suggesting BA have a guaranteed return on this route, we shall see.
64 jetblast : What is your source that this flight is struggling? Can you post some concrete information? The airport has committed to a subsidy for the next three
65 Pilot21 : On a recent LHR-BOS BA B744 flight, I was discussing the routes the A388 would serve when introduced next year with a member of the crew, and they sta
66 FlyCaledonian : Isn't that because Mixed Fleet have to operate an entire route? So if Mixed Fleet are going to operate the A388, then they couldn't just operate that
67 Pilot21 : Yes - that was my understanding of the situation after that conversation. So the first route picked will have to be to a destination where it is eith
68 BA174 : I thought it was in the industrial dispute deal that all groups of crew will work on the A380/787 regardless and the route allocations has nothing to
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