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BA Confirms 787, A380 Delivery Dates  
User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 36249 times:

For any of you tracking the BA 787 & A380 deliveries, ATW has this piece on said topic.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...first-787-a380-delivery-dates-0917


"British Airways (BA) has announced delivery dates for the first of its 24 Boeing 787s and 12 Airbus A380s.

The first 787-8 is expected to arrive in May 2013; a further three of the type should be delivered by year end. The first three A380s will be delivered in July, September and November 2013."



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 36207 times:
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Quoting mffoda (Thread starter):
"British Airways (BA) has announced delivery dates for the first of its 24 Boeing 787s and 12 Airbus A380s.

The first 787-8 is expected to arrive in May 2013; a further three of the type should be delivered by year end. The first three A380s will be delivered in July, September and November 2013."

Wow! In a way, BA is letting Boeing and Airbus know to keep to schedule. It will be very interesting to see how BA utilizes the 787s and all of their BMI slots. With the A380, it will be very interesting to see how they are deployed.

Overall, we will be wishing BA well in 2013!

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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 35944 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
Wow! In a way, BA is letting Boeing and Airbus know to keep to schedule.

It also answers the question from the A380 production thread, as to how long it will take to deliver after it rolled out of body join facility with the painted tail and no engines on Sep 11.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 35933 times:

I guess BA went for RR engines? Would be strange if they didn´t.

User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 35619 times:

I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes. Also how they are going to be configured.

I know they say they are to replace the 767s, but I can imagine that it will be a couple of routes that see regular 787 service, while the rest wait for the rest of the 787s to replace the 767s.

Also as the LH 767s are 3 class with no F product, its going to be interesting to see if they stick with that set up on the 787s or will we see the F product on them, I kind of think they may go 4 class with them!

Still hoping that I will see one in GCM maybe in 2013!



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 35425 times:

I'll be interested to see how they utilize their A380s especially since they don't appear to have any fancy tricks up their sleeve like a spa, bar or shop onboard.

The fancy cabin operators may still run the show.


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9817 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 35216 times:

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 4):
I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes. Also how they are going to be configured.

I believe I read on here that they are going to be 3 class C, Y+, Y with a new 7 abreast club world configuration.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 35171 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 5):
I'll be interested to see how they utilize their A380s especially since they don't appear to have any fancy tricks up their sleeve like a spa, bar or shop onboard.

IMO, the A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34961 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):

Makes sense, especially in BA's situation, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of strange routes once the fleet has built up a bit. There are plenty of cities where BA might be looking to add moderate amounts of capacity -- the A380 will offer them the ability to shift single daily 744 destinations to slightly more capacity without increasing underlying costs by adding flights (in exactly the same way that they would a 777 to a 744).

They are adding a great deal of flexibility to the fleet, so I think they'd be wise to use that flexibility rather than just sending this new plane on traditionally heavy traffic routes.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34957 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.

And HKG....


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5597 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34961 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 1):
It will be very interesting to see how BA utilizes the 787s...
Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 4):
I for one will be looking forward to their news on the 787 routes.

  

I know there was talk that BA's LHR-SAN route would be a natural for the Dreamliner. However, since the LFs for the flights on the T7 have been excellent, particularly in the summer season, the most I could see would perhaps be to use the 787 for a few months (January-March?) during the winter. (July 2012 saw an average LF of 94% while February of this year saw the low LF of about 72%.) Of course I have no idea how the yields have been, or other particulars, but BA is definitely carrying lots of people (and apparently a good amount of cargo) on most of their flghts in and out of SAN.

bb


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34927 times:
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Has BA discussed any routes for their A380 & B787?   

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34890 times:

I'm not sure the 388 will be overly used to US destinations as there is a concentration on frequency with a lot of them (JFK especially).

I think BA have already mooted HKG and JNB as destinations for the A380. Will be interesting to see how this pans out and it wouldn't surprise me if SIN got one based on QF's pending withdrawal from the kangaroo route.



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User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5218 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 34884 times:

I can hope for YYZ !

User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 33832 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 3):
Would be strange if they didn´t.

Not really. BA (IAG) is a plc. If the competing engines represent better value for money for BA, then BA won't hesitate to have them hanging off the wings. The most recent A330 order for IB went to GE, as was the case for the initial 777s.

Also GE, much to RR's annoyance, won the very lucrative $2 billion MRO contract.

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.

AF on the otherhand ..........


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 31949 times:



Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 14):
Not really. BA (IAG) is a plc. If the competing engines represent better value for money for BA, then BA won't hesitate to have them hanging off the wings. The most recent A330 order for IB went to GE, as was the case for the initial 777s.

Also GE, much to RR's annoyance, won the very lucrative $2 billion MRO contract.

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.
Quoting sweair (Reply 3):

I guess BA went for RR engines? Would be strange if they didn´t.

actually according to this BA have selected RR engines for both the A380 and the B787's

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7015621.stm
"Both types of planes will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines, the airline said."


http://press.ba.com/?p=277
"British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787 aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s. Both aircraft types will be powered by Rolls-Royce engines."

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/new...007/british_airways_selects_rr.jsp
British Airways has selected Rolls-Royce Trent engines..........The order includes 12 firm and seven option Airbus A380 aircraft and 24 firm and 18 option Boeing 787s, scheduled for delivery from 2010."

maybe this is the reason BA chooses RR

Willie Walsh, Chief Executive Officer of British Airways, said: “The Rolls-Royce Trent family has a proven track record of strong environmental performance. The engines we have selected are supported by an innovative service offering and we know that they will deliver the best operational value.”

and as a RR shareholder I agree   

[Edited 2012-09-17 11:09:14]


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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8499 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30874 times:
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Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
IMO, the A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.

The first 3 A380 will fly to HKG as that is BA's biggest city in Asia and JFK, with 7 744 daily how could they not do New York.


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30562 times:

There is a huge weight saving when choosing Rolls Royce Trents. Wil make a real difference in coming years.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30194 times:

What fallacy that BA will only buy British? They HATE buying British. They wanted the B707 over VC10, reluctantly bought a bastardised Trident, wanted only four Concordes, refused to buy the Airbus and plumped for the L1011 and then replaced the Trident with the B757 over the A310.

They do have a good relationship with world class Rolls Royce however. The only time they haven't taken the RR option was the initial B777 order which was linked to the sale of the Welsh overhaul facility. Indeed later deliveries of the same series, B777-236ERs came with Rolls Royce engines rather than the inital GE90s.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29867 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 14):

One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.

Care to explain the Boeings and GE90s they bought and operate?



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29525 times:

Ok cracked shafts aside until Trent1000-TEN GEnx is the better choice for fuel burn on 788s. Trent missed a whopping 4% and Genx below 3%, with PIP1 they are about 1% over spec, at spec with pip2, Trent 1000B is still 2% above spec, C will be 1% over and TEN will be 1% better than spec.

So what do you choose, a cracked shaft and 1% over spec or 2% above with a Trent1000B.

Air France will probably go for RR, to have some sort of familiarity with their A350 engine pools. Will AF get any 787s or will they all go to KLM?


User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 28908 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 20):

It isn't just fuel burn tht determines the choice of engine on a particular model. You have to factor in purchase or lease costs (remember engines aren't included in deals normally, they're negotiated separately - is it purchase outright or power by the hour?). You also factor in expected lifetime maintenance costs, which particular engine suits the routes you want to deploy the aircraft on - a reason the T700 is so popular on the A330 is because of its strong performance at high atmospheric temperatures, and a host of other things. It's not simply down to fuel burn.

I can see the A388 being deployed on SIN, HKG and maybe LAX - I'm not so sure about JFK because LHR-JFK is a frequency dominated market, not so much pure seat availability. I may be wrong though, I often am  

The 787 will suit adding frequency to certain routes that maybe need it but can't support it with BA's current fleet: maybe a 2nd daily to GIG or GRU, maybe more Chinese destinations such as CAN. South America and Asia are where traffic growth lies, not North America.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12957 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 28367 times:

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 17):
There is a huge weight saving when choosing Rolls Royce Trents. Wil make a real difference in coming years.

GEnx now is displaying an innovative spontaneous weight reduction feature, it chucks various compressor and turbine blades out the back end!



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User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 28015 times:

I think from a PR point of view I can see the A380 deployed on the NYC route,and I wonder would one of the destinations for the 787 be YYC???

User currently offlinedeclarets From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27768 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
GEnx now is displaying an innovative spontaneous weight reduction feature, it chucks various compressor and turbine blades out the back end!

I just spat my tea everywhere  


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27916 times:

Quoting tom355uk (Reply 21):
The 787 will suit adding frequency to certain routes that maybe need it but can't support it with BA's current fleet: maybe a 2nd daily to GIG or GRU, maybe more Chinese destinations such as CAN. South America and Asia are where traffic growth lies, not North America.

The 787 would be perfect for opening up BOG, LIM and SCL in South America IMO.



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27731 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 19):
Care to explain the Boeings and GE90s they bought and operate?

Well duh! That was precisely my point. Too many people are getting hung up on this notion that BA ordering RR engines is a given when, past purchases of the GE on the 777 and the awarding of the MRO contract suggest otherwise (I'm aware they went RR for the 787/A380). I was just contesting the point sweair made that BA engine choices were set in stone in favour of RR.


User currently offlineHooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27058 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 20):
Air France will probably go for RR, to have some sort of familiarity with their A350 engine pools. Will AF get any 787s or will they all go to KLM?

I believe that if AF has an option they will always go for GE.
The initial batch of 787's are for KLM.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
GEnx now is displaying an innovative spontaneous weight reduction feature, it chucks various compressor and turbine blades out the back end!

 


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25576 times:

When will BA announce its 787 destinations? I could see them running 787s to YYC, SAN, BWI, PDX, STL.

User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24655 times:

would be great to see the A380 in BA colors come to SYD , keeping the kangaroo route alife via SIN

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24386 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
with 7 744 daily how could they not do New York.

Easily, if the A380 can't fit at their terminal. I don't think there are any gates at T7 with two jetways, let alone three. Even if it's physically possible to park an A380 there, it's definitely not a good setup for it.

I think our best hope for seeing new BA equipment in NYC would be a 787 at EWR, but I'm not holding my breath for that either...



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User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24152 times:

What about DFW and ORD for the 380? Both are huge 1W markets with 1 and 2 flights daily (of course AA frequency is more than double that). ORD may be a frequency market.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 23587 times:

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 31):
What about DFW and ORD for the 380? Both are huge 1W markets with 1 and 2 flights daily (of course AA frequency is more than double that). ORD may be a frequency market.

ORD does not have any A380-capable gates, which is why LH is sending the 748I to ORD instead.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 23339 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 9):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 7):
A380 will go where BA has at least 2x daily 744. Any less and it would too big of a bump in capacity: JFK, MIA, LAX, SIN, JNB.

And HKG....

YVR is rumoured to be fairly early on the list - 2x daily 744's 3.5 hours apart in summer. We are also A380 ready here for some reason...



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10234 posts, RR: 97
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 22181 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 20):
So what do you choose, a cracked shaft and 1% over spec or 2% above with a Trent1000B

Boeing suggest that Trent package B will be 1% above spec......

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...7-performance-spec-albaugh-354340/

Given a choice of cracked shaft and 1% over, or just the 1% over, I'd be looking for the latter.....   

In reality, you're making a mulit-dimensional comparision into a 1-dimensional one.......
not to mention ignoring the timelining of the progressive improvements..

Either that, or you're really trying to say that you know better than all the airlines that have ordered Trent 1000's .......  

Rgds


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 22071 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Has BA discussed any routes for their A380 & B787?
Quoting ANA787 (Reply 28):
When will BA announce its 787 destinations?

Quote from the thread opener's link:

"A BA spokeswoman said the carrier will announce initial routes for the two new types later this year."


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 36, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 21894 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Has BA discussed any routes for their A380 & B787?
Quoting ANA787 (Reply 28):
When will BA announce its 787 destinations?

Quote from the Thread Opener's link:

"A BA spokeswoman said the carrier will announce initial routes for the two new types later this year."


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20283 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 9):
And HKG....

I don't think so for the following reason...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
The first 3 A380 will fly to HKG as that is BA's biggest city in Asia and JFK, with 7 744 daily how could they not do New York.

SIN is slightly larger for BA than HKG. BA operates 2x744 to SIN vs. 744+777 to HKG. Plus all the seats they get on QF's A380's to SIN. HKG-LHR is CX's domain with 4x daily vs. BA's 2x, and I don't see BA upstaging CX at their home base by deploying the A380 there.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 20
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20073 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 37):
SIN is slightly larger for BA than HKG. BA operates 2x744 to SIN vs. 744+777 to HKG. Plus all the seats they get on QF's A380's to SIN. HKG-LHR is CX's domain with 4x daily vs. BA's 2x, and I don't see BA upstaging CX at their home base by deploying the A380 there.

Don't forget all of that capacity is because of the JSA with QF. Once that ends in April next year you might find SIN scaled back in capacity a little bit to cater for more O&D rather than connections.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18165 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 37):
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 9):And HKG....
I don't think so for the following reason...

I think they've already announced that HKG will be one of the routes served, but I also think there is a good reason why HKG will be one of the routes served (when they have enough to mount a daily service - and that may not be before the end of 2013): there's a lot of competition on that route, but the one thing none of those other carriers has is the 380, so as a service differentiator, that's going to be a big plus; VS will still have the 346s, CX will have 77Ws and NZ, its 772s. The 380 will allow the airline to provide a selection of products to re-establish itself as the carrier of choice on that route and I think it will attract a very good following, given the 380's reputation for quietness.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18062 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 38):
Don't forget all of that capacity is because of the JSA with QF. Once that ends in April next year you might find SIN scaled back in capacity a little bit to cater for more O&D rather than connections.

Once the JSA ends, what of the code shares? Will BA still put its code on SIN-PER/ADL/BNE/CNS flights (perhaps DRW)? Similarly will QF put its code on the BA SIN-LHR flights? Probably answered in another thread, but I must have missed it.

I guess the same question with the BKK/HKG flights.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 20
Reply 41, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 18038 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 40):
Once the JSA ends, what of the code shares? Will BA still put its code on SIN-PER/ADL/BNE/CNS flights (perhaps DRW)? Similarly will QF put its code on the BA SIN-LHR flights? Probably answered in another thread, but I must have missed it.

Will QF put it's codes on BA services, probably not. There will be an interline agreement along normal alliance terms I'd have thought. Will BA put its codes on QF services, probably. The trick is that if QF services are re-timed for Australia/Asia O&D and away from connections you will have a long wait at SIN/BKK or HKG for your onwards BA flight which will make them less attractive. So I'd have thought SIN would probably go 777 or stay 747 rather than receiving an upgrade to the A380. I could even see a case where BA could send the 787 as a purely point to point play from LHR.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17884 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):

Still caters to the stopover market though.


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17105 times:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/7975838617/

Spotted this on the A380production website..   



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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16648 times:

The painted tail looks more white compared to today's livery. Don't you think?


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16130 times:

Hey I was joking, don´t go all EMO on me..Both engines are probably the most efficient engines currently flying, relax.

Trent1000-TEN will be the best 788 engine when it arrives, 76K thrust is not bad either, from a 112 inch fan.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15883 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 14):
One can hope this fallacy that BA will only buy British will soon disappear.

If BA only bought British then surely they would have an all Airbus fleet considering where the wings are made and now that BAE Systems and EADS are looking to merge, Airbus will become a part British owned company again.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 47, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13882 times:

Interestingly, I recall on another thread about BA refurbishing 7 S/H and 7 L/H 767s (funded from 787 delays) the airline was considering paying to refurbish the remaining 7 L/H 767s too. Doing this would give BA greater flexibiity to expand the longhaul network, either through adding new routes with the 787 or deploying the 787 on some routes that they are better suited and deploy the released aircraft elsewhere (SAN's 777 and YYC's 767 have both been suggested as 787 routes in the past).


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 48, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13616 times:
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How long will it take BA to be fully rid of 744?


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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13601 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 44):
The painted tail looks more white compared to today's livery. Don't you think?

Probably because on other aircraft the red extends to the tailcone:

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Guess the height of the A380's tailfin has also something to do with it.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 49):
Guess the height of the A380's tailfin has also something to do with it.

I don't think they are finished painting the rear fuselage, the height of the tailfin really doesn't matter as the red portion on the bottom still intersects a lot of the fuselage. Is that spec of red above the horizontal stabilizers and below the tail paint or a red cover?

The lighting/camera settings also probably helps in making the white more "vivid" too.

Edit: I'm confident they are not finished painting the rear fuselage. If you look at pictures of Thai's A380s at the same stage the tailfin is painted but the rear fuselage section is white (when it is also purple when completed).

[Edited 2012-09-18 05:08:40]

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 26):
Well duh! That was precisely my point.

Surely you see there was a one off reason for the GE90 order on the first tranche of B777s and that they reverted to their preffered supplier soon afterwards?

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 30):
I don't think there are any gates at T7 with two jetways, let alone three. Even if it's physically possible to park an A380 there, it's definitely not a good setup for it.

I seem to remember JFK was going to be one of the inital destinations? It's a flagship route and Air France use the A388 there as well. Yes I know it's all about frequency but I suspect JFK will see BA's new A388 sooner rather than later.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 48):
How long will it take BA to be fully rid of 744?

They will be in service into the next decade, their last delivery was only in 1999.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 52, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12894 times:

BA will have already made a decision as to which kind of route the 380 will initially operate. Clearly, at least in the initial period of operation, we are not going to see BA aircraft operating with two different cabin configurations, one perhaps equivalent to their current 'Hi J' 744 configuration (F14 / J70 / W30 / Y185) and the other perhaps an equivalent to their 'Mid J' 744 configuration (F14 / J50 / W36 / Y235).

So, since DEL is served primarily with 'Mid J' aircraft and JFK is served primarily with 'Hi J' aircraft we can be pretty certain that if one of these destinations sees early 380 flights the other will not.

I have not recently comprehensively checked which configuration 744 serves which destinations. But back in the Winter 2010-11 timetable it was as follows:

'Hi J' destinations: BAH, GRU, IAH, JFK, LOS, NRT, PEK and SIN.

'Mid J' destinations: BKK, CAI, CPT, DEL, DFW, MEX, MIA, PHX, YVR.

Mixed 'Hi J' and 'Mid J' destinations: BGR, BOS, HKG, JNB, LAX and SFO.

Of course a lot has changed in two years. For example CAI has been downgraded to a 772, JNB is now more of a 'Hi J' than a 'Hi J / Mid J' destination and DME is now served by 744s. And there will be more changes before the first 380 arrives if only because of the impact of the BD purchase particularly on routes like those to CAI, DME and RUH/JED served by both BA and BD.

But once the cabin configuration issue is decided surely BA will initially use the 380 primarily where a larger aircraft is needed. So, for example, if destination XXX is currently served by a single daily 'Hi J' 744 that is operating with a high load factor, is returning high yields and looks likely to provide continuing growth and BA configure the 380 as a 'Hi J' equivalent, then would not XXX rather than the "favourites" like HKG, JFK or JNB be the most likely candidate as an initial destination?

Recognising that BA use 763s on some short-haul routes for their freight carrying abilities it is not without the realms of possibility that the 380's freight hold capable of carrying 38 LD3 containers could be a factor in route selection when compared to the 744's ability to carry up to only 32 of the admittedly slightly larger LD1 containers


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8656 posts, RR: 10
Reply 53, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11520 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 38):
Don't forget all of that capacity is because of the JSA with QF. Once that ends in April next year you might find SIN scaled back in capacity a little bit to cater for more O&D rather than connections.
Quoting thegeek (Reply 40):
Once the JSA ends, what of the code shares? Will BA still put its code on SIN-PER/ADL/BNE/CNS flights (perhaps DRW)? Similarly will QF put its code on the BA SIN-LHR flights? Probably answered in another thread, but I must have missed it.

Regardless they are still in the same OneWorld alliance. You guys are making it sound like somehow once the JSA ends, the two alliance partners will stop cooperating. If anything, that would make the case for even more seats on BA's metal to SIN, I think. BA will still be connecting at SIN to QF's flights just like they do today and without the JSA with QF they would be more inclined to fly the passengers in their own planes rather than put them on QF's via DXB. I think SIN is a no-brainer ahead of HKG.
Also as pointed out in reply 52, SIN is a year-round high J destination which so far has been a determining factor for where to deploy A380's.


User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 54, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

A fallacy = a mistaken or incorrect belief.

I promise to use simpler words in the future.

All that aside, it will be interesting to see which direction BA goes with the majority of their 747 replacement. Will they up-gauge and order more A380s or opt for the similar capacity 77W/77X/A350-1000?


User currently offlinemixalakhs From Cyprus, joined Jan 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Great it was about time. I love the A380 and as a BA frequent flyer I will try and fly with the A380 when I visit the USA.
I am also looking forward and fly with the 787, as I am sure it is a great plane.


User currently offlinecx828 From Hong Kong, joined May 2007, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10700 times:
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CX has already claimed that they would rather have frequency, so they would probably would stick on 77w 4 daily eventually or 5 if CX can get another slot. BA would probably would sent their 380 to HK but CX would still concentrate on their frequency rather than volume as they still not even order any VLA.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 51):
I seem to remember JFK was going to be one of the inital destinations? It's a flagship route and Air France use the A388 there as well. Yes I know it's all about frequency but I suspect JFK will see BA's new A388 sooner rather than later.

I agree it's a flagship route, but as far as I know T7 is not A380-ready, and I haven't seen any evidence that they're making preparations. Even 744s nearly overwhelm the current gate areas and immigration hall--I can't even imagine what it would look like with more passengers. AF (as well as LH and KE) uses T1, and EK and SQ use T4, both which can accommodate the A380, but I don't see BA leaving its own terminal anytime soon. Maybe someday they'll expand T8 and move in with AA, but that's a long way off.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 28):

It would be great to see a BA 787 at Baltimore!



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 33
Reply 59, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10407 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 52):
380's freight hold capable of carrying 38 LD3 containers could be a factor in route selection when compared to the 744's ability to carry up to only 32 of the admittedly slightly larger LD1 containers

But the A380 carries more pax, so some of those extra LD3s will have bags in.
Also BA does not use LD1 containers. In fact I do not know anyone who does. ( does any airline??) BA uses LD3 for baggage on B744 and also on B767 which wastes a lot of space but makes life much simpler. We can load an LD3 on a B767 at ARN, which is transferred on the ramp at T5 onto a B744. Same with freight pallets.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 58):
It would be great to see a BA 787 at Baltimore!
BWI is on the chopping block not surprisingly. Don't expect it to be around much longer. Too close to IAD and PHL. The airport is desperately trying to save this flight with incentives. Hope BA cuts it to open up a profitable, exciting destination.

http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore...tish-airways-subsidy-contract.html



[Edited 2012-09-18 11:01:54]

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12957 posts, RR: 25
Reply 61, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10076 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 34):
Given a choice of cracked shaft and 1% over, or just the 1% over, I'd be looking for the latter.....

Indeed - a worn shaft is bad, a bent shaft is worse, and a cracked shaft is beyond contemplation! 



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User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 9131 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 33):
YVR is rumoured to be fairly early on the list - 2x daily 744's 3.5 hours apart in summer. We are also A380 ready here for some reason

That could be interesting seeing VS now operate on the route, It would give a BA a clear advantage over VS A330 on top of the higher frequency BA have to YVR.

Many people say AFs A380 contributed to the failure of BAs IAD-ORY route on the OpenSkies 757s maybe BA mainline could turn that on it's head when they get their own.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (2 years 3 months ago) and read 8697 times:

ANA787 there's a thread running with a different view suggesting BA have a guaranteed return on this route, we shall see.

User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 60):
BWI is on the chopping block not surprisingly. Don't expect it to be around much longer. Too close to IAD and PHL. The airport is desperately trying to save this flight with incentives. Hope BA cuts it to open up a profitable, exciting destination.

What is your source that this flight is struggling? Can you post some concrete information?

The airport has committed to a subsidy for the next three years, but I've never seen anything to say that the flight is in danger as you say.

[Edited 2012-09-21 19:53:22]


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

On a recent LHR-BOS BA B744 flight, I was discussing the routes the A388 would serve when introduced next year with a member of the crew, and they stated that JFK won't be one of the first routes due to the staffing of the route. BA are going to have the mixed crew staff the A388 apparently (the staff introduced when WW was fighting the Cabin crew unions) and JFK due to the high frequency of flights isn't currently operated by that type of cabin crew. Routes like RIO, LAX, Tokyo are - but somebody who knows the crewing details better then me can enlighten us more.

Anyway, just as a heads up - the staffing levels and who operates on what routes will have a large hand in deciding where the A388 operates to first apparently.

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 65):
Anyway, just as a heads up - the staffing levels and who operates on what routes will have a large hand in deciding where the A388 operates to first apparently.

Isn't that because Mixed Fleet have to operate an entire route? So if Mixed Fleet are going to operate the A388, then they couldn't just operate that aircraft on one JFK rotation, but they'd have to crew all the LHR-JFK flights.



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 66):
Isn't that because Mixed Fleet have to operate an entire route? So if Mixed Fleet are going to operate the A388, then they couldn't just operate that aircraft on one JFK rotation, but they'd have to crew all the LHR-JFK flights.

Yes - that was my understanding of the situation after that conversation. So the first route picked will have to be to a destination where it is either the only daily flight, or 1 of maybe 3 where the mixed crew can operate the other aircraft serving that destination.

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

I thought it was in the industrial dispute deal that all groups of crew will work on the A380/787 regardless and the route allocations has nothing to do with crew contract.

[Edited 2012-09-23 11:05:54]

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