A36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20510 times:
It's good to see them stay. Just hope it's BA itself and not a CX code share (no offense to CX). Though if that did happen, would CX bring their 77W in place of A330's to SYD? Suppose they might go to the 744???
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6330 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20116 times:
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 4): Playing devil's advocate and reading between the lines... sure, BA is commited to the Australian market and will continue to fly there, but does that necessarily mean using their own metal?
Quoting A36001 (Reply 5): Though if that did happen, would CX bring their 77W in place of A330's to SYD? Suppose they might go to the 744???
CX 744s are done. The future at CX is the 77W in the near term and the A350-1000 in the longer term.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2134 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18499 times:
It's difficult to be committed to the whole Australian market if you just operate one flight a day LHR-SIN-SYD. BA will need to find a pertner to serve the other state capitals through an Asian port, whether that is CX through HKG or MH through KUL. I'm sure BA will keep QF codeshares on key flights into Australia from MEL, SYD, BNE, ADL and PER, but it needs a partner in Asia now that the deal with QF is coming to an end.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3436 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18230 times:
BA is now only really serving Sydney, on a point to point basis. Europe - DXB - non Sydney Australian city is much easier with Emirates. The connecting traffic is being diluted as the BA option is more hassle and longer, it depends if there's enough traffic on P2P to make it work with a B744. If they were serious then we might see MEL return, if not, I doubt SYD will be long for the route map.
runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18087 times:
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 18): It's difficult to be committed to the whole Australian market if you just operate one flight a day LHR-SIN-SYD. BA will need to find a pertner to serve the other state capitals through an Asian port, whether that is CX through HKG or MH through KUL. I'm sure BA will keep QF codeshares on key flights into Australia from MEL, SYD, BNE, ADL and PER, but it needs a partner in Asia now that the deal with QF is coming to an end.
That partner could still easily be a codeshare on SIN-SYD with QF. Just like it could be a mix of QF, MH and CX.
That said, running a daily flight from SIN to SYD seems to currently be unprofitable or marginally profitable, with QF.
Take away QF and BA now have to set-up their marketing in SYD, brand their own product. Can no longer look after QF for selling their flights.
It seems like a lot of trouble for a single daily operation. A codeshare on the otherhand costs virtually nothing and is added profit.
However, who knows what will happen. Serving Australia still has a lot of prestige to it and axing SYD would mean giving VS a few minutes of fame in the news. Branson could then once again bash BA for not doing a good job and all the other bs he likes to spread.
Flyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 603 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17905 times:
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19): If they were serious then we might see MEL return, if not, I doubt SYD will be long for the route map.
I would love to see them back here in MEL, but that will not happen. They brought back MEL a second time with the LHR/SIN/MEL flight but dropped MEL again and just ran the 2 flights a day to SYD while QF picked up the BA pax from Singapore for the rest of Australia. BA has a very long history with SYD. If in the future BA uses MH for the rest of Australia does that mean that BA will start serving KUL again?
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8847 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17399 times:
Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 21): I would love to see them back here in MEL, but that will not happen. They brought back MEL a second time with the LHR/SIN/MEL flight but dropped MEL again and just ran the 2 flights a day to SYD while QF picked up the BA pax from Singapore for the rest of Australia. BA has a very long history with SYD. If in the future BA uses MH for the rest of Australia does that mean that BA will start serving KUL again?
When OneWorld welcomes Malaysia Air, BA will probably fly to KL just for the connections to Australia. KL would offer BA what Qantas in SIN offers them now. BA could always continue to connect with QF in SIN or Cathay in HKG. While the loss of the formal Qantas arrangement stings for BA it affords it up options for its Australian connections. In one way BA has a very nice problem with all these choices.
vhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17269 times:
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12): There can be plenty of reasons to not want to fly through DXB. Maybe he doesn't want to support EK and Dubai with their huge expansion that has hurt local airlines.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 15): Possibly the reason to not fly via DXB... Must admit I haven't been a big fan of the rapid expansion until QF jumped into bed with EK
I don't want to book a QF ticket and end up on a EK plane. I fly EK to India for business once or twice a year as their connections to India are better than BA's. However, I find the experience inconsistent, both from a service perspective and hardware perspective. Am I going to get a flat bed on this flight or a cramped recliner? I never know until I am on board. At least with BA I know what I am going to get.
I find the interiors of EK aircraft to be of extremely questionable taste, but I accept that this is purely subjective. I can say, however, with 100% certainty that for me, the thought of staring at all that faux wood and gold for 22 hours straight makes my stomach churn.
I don't enjoy Dubai airport particularly. It can be a long, long walk from the lounge to the gate. The lounge offers no short-term stowage for cabin luggage. Niggles? Certainly, but when it's my money I'm spending the sum of these mean I'll choose to spend it elsewhere.
mutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16850 times:
Yes I think BA could make this a winning startegy actually with a bit of careful thought.
Firstly remember it is ONLY the JBA being scrapped. As fellow OW members BA and QF will I am sure continue to codehsare on cerrain routes at either end of the kangeroo (EK has what 23 european destinations ex DXB so BA will still be as (in)convenient as EK for some ultimate european routings)
So you can fly to SYD via SIN with BA and on with QF
You could fly to SYD and elsewhere via KUL on MAS (perhaps even on BA metal to KUL)
You can fly to HKG with BA and on to Oz and NZ with CX
You can fly to NRT with BA and on with JL to OZ and NZ
The variety of options is attactive
And dont dismiss the DXB routing proving less than popular for some....For the Brits DXB has been largely done, its old news, for the aussies its a new horizon for a stop over but not much stimulus and once enough people get jailed for kissing or holding hands in public, the attraction wears off (I sort of jest but actually of course young people are arrested regularly for such behaviour that it isnt entirely a joke _ and I am a fan of DXB and respect local customs wherever I go).
So I suspect the SIN/SYD routing will continue to do at least OK
: From my understanding EKs product are not consistent due to the aggressive growth... Quantity versus quality you could say... JSA not JBA... Joint Se
: Wow there.... not so fast. CX 744s are not done. They still have roughly 20 of them, and they are in the process of upgrading the cabins. There will
: What a good news.The Kangaroo route is a myth and should never end. By the way I guess BEY was a stop in that route !?
: I was thinking exactly the same thing ETA.
: I don't understand why some people here are displaying subtle hostility towards EK and DXB. Why should it be EK's fault if national airlines in Europe
: DXB has adapted to 'Western Expectations' better than the regional (including India) competition. I suspect they will continue to adapt. For LHR-SYD,
: A bit OT, but I'm not convinced of this in the current economic environment, especially after the latest 77W order by CX. I think unless there is an
: You can also book QF LHR-SYD via JFK (BA LHR-JFK) then JFK-SYD also connects to MEL/BNE too in LAX if you so want. Sometimes the fares a bit higher so
: I must agree with 'vhtje'. Flying through SIN is far less hassle than DXB, plus T3 in DXB is over crowded as it is. Imagine when theres 'X' amount mor
: This: It does, in fact, make Dubai much less attractive to me.
: If your concern is whether or not you will be allowed to hold hands and kiss in public when visiting other cultures, then clearly you are not traveli
: Just an idea, but could BA add on extension to the LHR-SYD route and for them to fly on to Auckland? Just wondering if that would enable BA to fill a
: I know it will not happen, but it would have been impressive if BA bought the 77L now to be able to fly nonstop. They may do when the eventually gets
: Unfortunately not... it's 3 hours east bound and 3.5 westbound. I guess it is theoretically possible, after all EK is 2 stops to AKL and 3 to CHC. No
: Several people I have discussed DXB-OZ with are put off by the 16 odd hour second flight. I think many prefer to get the longest leg over with first,
: Would be good to see BA work closely with MH at KUL to handle the kangaroo connections. Whether this is on BA metal to KUL who knows. Why not turn SIN
: I wouldn't have made the comments if I didn't have first hand experience in DXB... If the UAE wanna be a far more attractive holiday destination... S
: Comparison of nonstop LHR-SYD with one-stop connecting routings via Asia/Gulf points (shortest to longest). These assume great circle mileage. Actual
: Obviously BA is concerned about being left behind after QF has moved to DXB. The media here has been using words like 'dumped' to describe BA's positi
: yes it does, and it also has US-Australia rights! haven't been used in a very long time but it was an old BOAC route and until NZ pulled out of AKL i
: I'm very Eurosceptic but I can safely say the UK is part of Europe. I think this could be a good move for BA. I don't understand why BA don't sell Au
: I think that DFW-AKL would be a great route, if you look at the success of SYD-DFW! The question is would anything prevent AA from flying it after it
: We used to do a BNE tag many years ago and our pax figures SYD-BNE-SYD were often in the double digits on a jumbo.....and this was before the likes o
: Take it you don't catch onto sarcasm very well... Interesting to see the HKG sector is by far the shortest by 1nm opposed to a direct LHR-SYD sector.
: BA will never cut Sydney. It's Like QF flying to NY. BA can't cut a route to a city which is essentially it's greatest achievement in the monarchy.
: Since my words are so disturbing please follow the link and have a read... QF & EK Announcement - 10am Aest 6/9/12 Part 2 (by YankeesFan Sep 7 20
: If they really wanted to shake the market up, they should fly heavily premium configured 787's on LHR-PER-SYD. It's Y that makes the kangaroo route su
: Since Qantas could codeshare with airlines outside of the oneworld alliance in providing a service between Australia and Paris-CDG, what's to say that
: BA used to have rights from the US to Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and some points beyond in the days when the Bermuda agreements were in effect. I ju
: Isn't there a deal done and dusted with SQ & VA... EK413
: I'm not sure that SQ would be interested in playing nice with such a big competitor, not to mention the fact they own a substantial chunk of VS (who
: Would be somewhat surprised if those rights still exist. Pretty sure the last BA flight to use them was a 5x weekly LHR-JFK-LAX-HNL-NAD-SYD VC10 that
: I'd be interested to know what rights BA has through the Middle East to Australia. If I recall, the UK-Australia bilateral allows each side to operat
: Flights ending doesn't mean the rights end. It's very rare for a government to voluntarily give up traffic rights that it's negotated. I am willing t
: You're thinking of BOAC, if it loses enough money it will go. They closed all regional flying, outsourced all ground handling outside of London, dump
: QF dropped NY in 1973 and only returned 26 years later in 1999.