olddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5562 times:
I have been out at SFO for the last 3 days with a new camera. I yesterday I saw a KLMAsia 744. I thought KLAsia flights were dedicated throughout the Asian market. Could this have been a charter? I question it because it was the normal time KL arrives from AMS. I know CO used to use AirMike flights to IAH from LAX at times... so I don't think it's out of the ordinary per se. Sorry if this is a stupid question. Thanks for answering.
brenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1446 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 days ago) and read 5479 times:
The 744 have been off the Taipei rotation for a couple of months already -- KL flies AMS - TPE non-stop now with the 772ER. Six (?) 772ER have been painted in the "KLAsia" titles.
I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 481 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5238 times:
The Asia aircraft are no longer used on the Asian (Taipei) routes only. They're being used on other routes as well. So, no charter, just the regular KL flight.
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1581 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5017 times:
Quoting brenintw (Reply 2): The 744 have been off the Taipei rotation for a couple of months already -- KL flies AMS - TPE non-stop now with the 772ER. Six (?) 772ER have been painted in the "KLAsia" titles.
There is at least also 1 77W in the KLM Asia livery. I'm not sure which reg('s) though
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e38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter): " I thought KLAsia flights were dedicated throughout the Asian market."
Not necessarily. The KLM Asia aircraft are used throughout the KLM system on regularly scheduled flights. I see them periodically at airports in the United States operating scheduled trips--not charter operations.
blue100 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3913 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
We have them rotated into JFK occasionally (actually, more than one would think). Just last week, I believe PH-BVB operated KL641.
I flew KL641 around the middle of July and PH-BQH (also in KLM Asia livery) operated the flight. As a side note, my flights with KL were fantastic!
danielkandi From Denmark, joined Sep 2012, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3314 times:
Ahh, someone else beat me to it. I was on the AMS-SFO this friday, the morning flight. I wondered the same thing. First I thought I was at the wrong gate ^^ ... But needless to say, they keep their 747's in great shape. This one in particular was almost as clean outside as the LH 747 posted the other day.
Flown on : md80, md95, Avro RJ85/100, Q400, Atr42/72, a319/320/321, a332/a333, a343/346, b733 and up, 757, 747, 767 and
jakob3392 From Denmark, joined Jun 2009, 1 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
I flew KL601 from LAX to AMS last year and the flight was operated by PH-BFF (City of Freetown) B74M in KLM asia livery. When I got home I tried to track this particular aircrafts schedule for a while and found it operated a variety of scheduled flights for KLM, including trips to North America, Africa and Asia.
As far as I know the KLM asia "brand" was invented as a separate company to operate the Taiwan-route without upsetting the Chinese government.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21460 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2696 times:
Quoting jakob3392 (Reply 12): As far as I know the KLM asia "brand" was invented as a separate company to operate the Taiwan-route without upsetting the Chinese government.
As far as I know it was never a separate company. The different livery used by KL and a few other carriers was just a way to keep the Chinese happy when European carriers served both the PRC and Taiwan.
warden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
FWIW I've seen the KLM Asia 747-406 at SFO quite a few times over the last couple of months...not quite 50/50 with the "standard" KL livery, but it's certainly not rare at SFO.
I've also seen a KLM Asia 747 on approach to LAX a few times...
Cyanide72 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
I flew a KLM Asia branded 777-200ER (PH-BQN) to YYZ back in early September. I was a bit surprised too, but figured the equipment wasn't being used exclusively on the far east routes anymore. It was certainly something new for me though.
infinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2172 times:
I still find it strange that KLM would compromise their brand, especially the trademark crown for something so political. SQ would never change the slightest ink on their livery and both China and Taiwan know that. But I guess that's how they get away with it.
I don't imagine China still imposes this requirement in this day, or am I wrong?
lijnden From Netherlands, joined Apr 2003, 557 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
KLM Asia is also a tax-technical story, not only a political story. I only flew one time on KLM Asia PH-BFF from Amsterdam to Dubai instead of the planned MD11 due to extra cargo.
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