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PHF Hedging Their Bets With JetBlue?  
User currently offlinecaTIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Thought this was interesting from one of the JetBlue execs twitter feeds: https://twitter.com/#!/martysg/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FdypU05Ma

Maybe PHF isn't so confident that PeopleExpress will fly?

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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Quote:
Thought this was interesting from one of the JetBlue execs twitter feeds:

Thats awesome. I don't know how B6 does in Richmond but if they don't want to serve both they could leave Richmond and move to PHF.

Quote:
Maybe PHF isn't so confident that PeopleExpress will fly?

I'm not confident they will either. None the less they would rather have B6 then PeopleExpress.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
None the less they would rather have B6 then PeopleExpress.

I think it's a crapshoot. Does having a new entrant lowfare carrier based at your airport outweigh having an established lowfare carrier offer, say, 3 flights a day total out of your airport?


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quote:
I think it's a crapshoot. Does having a new entrant lowfare carrier based at your airport outweigh having an established lowfare carrier offer, say, 3 flights a day total out of your airport?

True but with PeopleExpress you do not know they will live long where as B6 is more likely to live and stronger.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting caTIII (Thread starter):

I don't think anybody is confident PEOPLExpress will fly. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it fly. Another new tail at PVD and some classic 737s finding a new home, but at this point, it seems like just another concept.

Also, a little off topic, but what ever happened to California Pacific???


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

The 737-400, a superb aircraft, certainly won't be a cheap one to operate in these days of climbing fuel prices. One of the city pairs PVD-PBI has at least for Winter peak months, been claimed by WN. It would be great for Southern New England to be connected with PIT once again, but it will take more than that to operate a station. I wish them the best and hope to see them take flight , but it is a steep climb. Awesome livery in any case.

User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

If they were smart they would try to get B6. Not to be a naysayer on PeoplExpress, but the chances of a new airline succeeding these days are pretty slim. Skybus failed big time, and even something with a namebrand like VirginAmerica still struggles. Having an established carrier like JetBlue would be very helpful. Even trying to woo Spirit would probably be better than putting the eggs in the basket with PeoplExpress.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 5):

They're supposed to be running the -300, not the -400, though I don't know how much more economical they are.


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

JetBlue may dangle the carrot for a while but agreed, the better bet for Newport News in the long run. PeoplExpress 737-300s may be a little easier to operate than 734s but still is a lot of aircraft for brand new routes.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 8):

I agree completely. I also think PHF was a bold choice for a starup as well, though I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders and some from the beach, especially during winter.


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet. Hopefully PHF will be lucky enough to convince them to come there as opposed to ORF. With the recent surprise announcement of CHS to their route map, I'll bet it won't be long.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting John (Reply 10):
I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet.

Very true - it's a VAST metro area/region with a large, mobile population. And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.



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User currently offlinevatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

JetBlue really is the only airline that has the potential to draw the same level of traffic at PHF that AirTran did. Frontier, while doing relatively well here, isn't an east-coast airline. Allegiant is doing ok on the SFB route but folks around here have a lot more places to go than Florida. Right now the dominant Hampton Roads - NYC carrier is Delta, but only from ORF... their PHF flights are 100% Atlanta. The only way to get from Newport News to NYC is on US Express via PHL or fight tunnel traffic to ORF.


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 11):
And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.
Quoting vatveng (Reply 12):
The only way to get from Newport News to NYC is on US Express via PHL or fight tunnel traffic to ORF.

If I was living in the PHF area, I would fly out of RIC before I go to ORF. It is a much easier drive to RIC than dealing with the tunnel congestion going to ORF. You never know what is going to happen in the tunnels.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3038 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
though I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders and some from the beach, especially during winter.

Not at all. It isn't a good winter beach destination, and DC folks by and large (if they go to the beach in the summer) go to the MD/DE beaches.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6778 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 11):
it's a VAST metro area/region with a large, mobile population. And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.

Except the inconvenience of the bridge-tunnels cuts both ways -- and about 70% of the metro area population lives on the ORF side of Hampton Roads. The population on the PHF side amounts to about half a million, and that's less than half the size of the smallest domestic markets B6 currently serves. So if you claim that "most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF," wouldn't the million-plus people on the Virginia Beach/Norfolk side feel the same way about traveling past ORF to get to PHF?

Quoting John (Reply 10):
I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet. Hopefully PHF will be lucky enough to convince them to come there as opposed to ORF.

IMO they won't enter the market unless/until WN announces BOS-ORF -- and that will mean B6 going into ORF. Adding PHF gives them a weak competitive response if WN enters that city pair.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders

I not sure about that; DCA to PHF is roughly a 3-4 hour drive on the best day. BWI a little further. IAD a little closer. I would think RIC to the south and MDT to the north as a sub to BWI would be considered before PHF.



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User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

Not true. From their very first press release they've said it will be 737-400s. Even the image on their web site is a 400.



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User currently offlinevatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 17):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

Not true. From their very first press release they've said it will be 737-400s. Even the image on their web site is a 400.

It could go either way, their deal with Qantas to buy their 734s isn't certain:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...ones-takeoff-in-pittsburgh-644952/

Quote:

PeoplExpress still doesn't have the planes it needs to get started. It has been negotiating with Qantas Airways to buy 14 Boeing 737-400 jets, but has yet to complete the deal. It also is considering 737-300 planes.



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