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PHF Hedging Their Bets With JetBlue?

caTIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2279 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Thought this was interesting from one of the JetBlue execs twitter feeds: https://twitter.com/#!/martysg/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FdypU05Ma

Maybe PHF isn't so confident that PeopleExpress will fly?

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airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

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Thought this was interesting from one of the JetBlue execs twitter feeds:

Thats awesome. I don't know how B6 does in Richmond but if they don't want to serve both they could leave Richmond and move to PHF.

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Maybe PHF isn't so confident that PeopleExpress will fly?

I'm not confident they will either. None the less they would rather have B6 then PeopleExpress.

"The road to success is actually a runway"

catiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
None the less they would rather have B6 then PeopleExpress.

I think it's a crapshoot. Does having a new entrant lowfare carrier based at your airport outweigh having an established lowfare carrier offer, say, 3 flights a day total out of your airport?

airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

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I think it's a crapshoot. Does having a new entrant lowfare carrier based at your airport outweigh having an established lowfare carrier offer, say, 3 flights a day total out of your airport?

True but with PeopleExpress you do not know they will live long where as B6 is more likely to live and stronger.

"The road to success is actually a runway"

spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Quoting caTIII (Thread starter):

I don't think anybody is confident PEOPLExpress will fly. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it fly. Another new tail at PVD and some classic 737s finding a new home, but at this point, it seems like just another concept.

Also, a little off topic, but what ever happened to California Pacific???

lat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

The 737-400, a superb aircraft, certainly won't be a cheap one to operate in these days of climbing fuel prices. One of the city pairs PVD-PBI has at least for Winter peak months, been claimed by WN. It would be great for Southern New England to be connected with PIT once again, but it will take more than that to operate a station. I wish them the best and hope to see them take flight , but it is a steep climb. Awesome livery in any case.

CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

If they were smart they would try to get B6. Not to be a naysayer on PeoplExpress, but the chances of a new airline succeeding these days are pretty slim. Skybus failed big time, and even something with a namebrand like VirginAmerica still struggles. Having an established carrier like JetBlue would be very helpful. Even trying to woo Spirit would probably be better than putting the eggs in the basket with PeoplExpress.

spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 5):

They're supposed to be running the -300, not the -400, though I don't know how much more economical they are.

lat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

JetBlue may dangle the carrot for a while but agreed, the better bet for Newport News in the long run. PeoplExpress 737-300s may be a little easier to operate than 734s but still is a lot of aircraft for brand new routes.

spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 8):

I agree completely. I also think PHF was a bold choice for a starup as well, though I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders and some from the beach, especially during winter.

John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1366 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet. Hopefully PHF will be lucky enough to convince them to come there as opposed to ORF. With the recent surprise announcement of CHS to their route map, I'll bet it won't be long.

GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting John (Reply 10):
I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet.

Very true - it's a VAST metro area/region with a large, mobile population. And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.

Finally made it to an airline mecca!

vatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 893 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

JetBlue really is the only airline that has the potential to draw the same level of traffic at PHF that AirTran did. Frontier, while doing relatively well here, isn't an east-coast airline. Allegiant is doing ok on the SFB route but folks around here have a lot more places to go than Florida. Right now the dominant Hampton Roads - NYC carrier is Delta, but only from ORF... their PHF flights are 100% Atlanta. The only way to get from Newport News to NYC is on US Express via PHL or fight tunnel traffic to ORF.

bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 11):
And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.

Quoting vatveng (Reply 12):
The only way to get from Newport News to NYC is on US Express via PHL or fight tunnel traffic to ORF.

If I was living in the PHF area, I would fly out of RIC before I go to ORF. It is a much easier drive to RIC than dealing with the tunnel congestion going to ORF. You never know what is going to happen in the tunnels.

catiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
though I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders and some from the beach, especially during winter.

Not at all. It isn't a good winter beach destination, and DC folks by and large (if they go to the beach in the summer) go to the MD/DE beaches.

ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6365 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1055 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 11):
it's a VAST metro area/region with a large, mobile population. And, I'll bet most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF.

Except the inconvenience of the bridge-tunnels cuts both ways -- and about 70% of the metro area population lives on the ORF side of Hampton Roads. The population on the PHF side amounts to about half a million, and that's less than half the size of the smallest domestic markets B6 currently serves. So if you claim that "most folks on the Hampton/Newport News side of the Hampton Roads would rather saw an arm off than use the congested bridges/tunnels to get to ORF," wouldn't the million-plus people on the Virginia Beach/Norfolk side feel the same way about traveling past ORF to get to PHF?

Quoting John (Reply 10):
I'm actually surprised B6 hasn't entered the Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News market as of yet. Hopefully PHF will be lucky enough to convince them to come there as opposed to ORF.

IMO they won't enter the market unless/until WN announces BOS-ORF -- and that will mean B6 going into ORF. Adding PHF gives them a weak competitive response if WN enters that city pair.

GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 935 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 9):
I guess it will drum up some D.C. riders

I not sure about that; DCA to PHF is roughly a 3-4 hour drive on the best day. BWI a little further. IAD a little closer. I would think RIC to the south and MDT to the north as a sub to BWI would be considered before PHF.

Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.

floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 729 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

Not true. From their very first press release they've said it will be 737-400s. Even the image on their web site is a 400.

Good goes around!

vatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 893 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 651 times:

Quoting floridaflyboy (Reply 17):
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

Not true. From their very first press release they've said it will be 737-400s. Even the image on their web site is a 400.

It could go either way, their deal with Qantas to buy their 734s isn't certain:

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...ones-takeoff-in-pittsburgh-644952/

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PeoplExpress still doesn't have the planes it needs to get started. It has been negotiating with Qantas Airways to buy 14 Boeing 737-400 jets, but has yet to complete the deal. It also is considering 737-300 planes.

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