rumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 351 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 months 15 hours ago) and read 12447 times:
There was an article about this in the Dallas paper the other day. Gary Kelly spoke at a transportation conference, saying the networks would link up in the 1st qtr 2013.
"That means that for the first time, a customer can start a flight in a Southwest city and connect to an international flight departing from an AirTran city, Kelly said at the Boyd Group International’s annual forecast conference in Dallas."
"Kelly indicated that airline officials must decide how to handle the issue of charging fees on flights, though he said Southwest will not begin charging bag fees. “The net effect of the revenue in passengers vs. the fees, it could be an offset. All that remains to be seen,” he said.
" Southwest’s reservation system does not have the capability to handle international itineraries. Therefore, Kelly said, international bookings will be handled on the AirTran reservations systems website until Southwest has a new reservation system in place."
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4085 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (8 months 13 hours ago) and read 12115 times:
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Sweet! This will be huge for long time WN city customers as well as FL customers reaching some cities previously unreachable such as BOI, BHM, ABQ, SLC, etc. Opening up bookings through MCO to the Caribbean from the good sized Southwest stations already served out of MCO will provide a boost for Orlando traffic too. I wonder if WN will allow bookings with RR points on WN/FL combo itineraries yet?
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 11916 times:
Once the route networks are totally integrated I would think SAN-ATL and SLC-ATL are the two easy missing links? SLC i understand they think Delta might upgauge and Delta has defended SLC sometimes most recently US enterting to CLT but SAN just seems like such a natural that has to happen doesnt it?
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (8 months 11 hours ago) and read 11814 times:
Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.
wnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 months 10 hours ago) and read 11667 times:
I see the code share starting in MAR.
Once the code share starts in APR this will give WN the freedom to remove overlapping FL markets.
Now with a full code share FL planes can be redeployed in new markets that have connects to all of WN.
I can see FL add service to:
MDW: ROC,CLT,RIC,DAY,PMW and FLT.
HOU: PNS,MEM,CLT.
STL: GRR.MEM.
ATL: PVD,MHT,ISP,ECP,ALB,BDL and SNA (hehe).
SNA: drop both FL LAS & SFO and add ATL and 2nd MEX.
Thoughts?
wnfg
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines.
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Right now Amadeus part 1 it's just a fix to FINALLY connect and code share all flights.
Amadeus part 2 will be the new combined RES system for WN.
wnfg
[Edited 2012-09-19 12:27:22]
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 8, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 11522 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 3): Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.
Apparently the link-up will be available for domestic travel, too -- but international travel will only be bookable on FL's web site until Amadeus is active for WN international service.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 5 hours ago) and read 10485 times:
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10): This just sounds like a computer/res meltdown waiting to happen.
I actually think southwest has taken so long to do this it will be well thought out, organzied, well run and relatively smooth. Plus southwest tends to be pretty well run IMHO not an airline to create disasters and poor planning
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 876 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 10064 times:
Quote: See: The AirTran Acquisition.
I completely agree the merger is not at all as expected by SWA or us but at the end of the day there will have been some advantages to the merger. New destinations, expanded access to DCA, LGA and a large focus city at ATL plus without it, SWA would not have realized they need a lot of fixing (ie. res system etc...). This is an expensive way to find this out but it might have been better to go through this then SWA alone. (We will never know)
toltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3219 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 9907 times:
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10): This just sounds like a computer/res meltdown waiting to happen.
I gotta agree on this one. There's a big difference between this merger and the last two. In the DL/NW merger and the CO/UA merger, there was a migration to one of the two existing systems. In the FL/WN merger, they'll have to migrate two systems into a new systems. In the first two mergers, there was a source of knowledge from at least one side of the merger. In this one, everyone at the combined carrier will be behind the curve. Yikes....
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 9800 times:
Quoting toltommy (Reply 16): In the FL/WN merger, they'll have to migrate two systems into a new systems.
It actually worse than that. This is two systems (navitare and saas), temporarily connected by a third system (amadeus) while they figure out what combined system (potentially 4th system) they are going to use in the long-term. Talk about potential for disaster!!
Why they didn't just migrate WN to Navitare (I'm sure they would have cut WN a great deal for the volume) for simplicity's sake, I will never understand.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 876 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (8 months 4 hours ago) and read 9365 times:
Quote: Add MCO-SAN to the list as well.
WN could operate this already if they wanted to. If the route happens it doesn't have anything to do with the codeshare.
Quote: It actually worse than that. This is two systems (navitare and saas), temporarily connected by a third system (amadeus) while they figure out what combined system (potentially 4th system) they are going to use in the long-term. Talk about potential for disaster!!
What SWA is going to do is add Amadeus for International, see how that happens, if all goes well they have hinted at going all Amadeus (Domestic and International). If all doesn't go well they will work out the kinks and then do domestic res system.
That is what I understand from all that has been said.
Lambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2040 posts, RR: 39 Reply 21, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 8476 times:
Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 13):
You can't just post that you see WN adding STL-GRR and walk off like nothing happened. Can you explain what would make that route work?
I'm not sure "what happened" exactly but I don't think hes required to monitor the board in case someone questions a perfectly reasonable assertion.
His premise, in my estimation, is that it will add network connectivity to a decently sized market in GRR. St. Louis provides similar connecting opportunities to many smaller midwestern stations and I would imagine GRR and perhaps DAY/DSM could be added as well.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 876 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 months 2 hours ago) and read 8263 times:
Quote: You can't just post that you see WN adding STL-GRR and walk off like nothing happened. Can you explain what would make that route work?
I think he can and he just did. Please remember we are all here as aviation enthusiasts, cultivating over one topic we all have a passion for. There are nicer ways you could have said this, (i.e. Could you explain please).
Quote: STL: GRR
STL would provide great connecting opportunities because MDW and MKE are probably way to close for SWA's liking. I could see STL, DEN, BWI and some Florida city or two. Depends on what they want from GRR. If they want more business we could see less Florida, if they go after leisure then more Florida.
enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5116 times:
Quoting ScottB (Reply 8): Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.
Apparently the link-up will be available for domestic travel, too -- but international travel will only be bookable on FL's web site until Amadeus is active for WN international service.
"In addition to letting AirTran sell tickets to Southwest-only cities, the linkup will let Southwest passengers buy tickets to AirTran’s non-U.S. destinations, including several cities in Mexico, Jamaica, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."
26 usflyer msp: Southwest has already stated that for a period (until they take over all the FL domestic routes) they will be operating three systems. SAAS for WN, N
27 ouboy79: Not really. Honestly once they transitional to international, what is the point for Navitare anymore? There would be no reason to keep domestic FL se
28 SANFan: I've certainly felt this way since WN first announced their intentions to use their own metal at Hartsfield. Yet here we are still, nothing... It's n
29 WNCrew: They're only going to do what they think makes money. I never understand why people act as if it's personal or their "hometown airport" is being igno
30 airliner371: Your taking this personally. An airline is there to make money. If WN doesn't think serving SAN-MCO is smart for SWA, it won't. AS thinks they can do
31 MaverickM11: Because WN loves 4+ hour transcons
32 spiritair97: One can only hope. They could probably make a daily 737 work, as in a market such as this one, it would be easy to beat DL's price.
33 Jetfixr757: Who asked for it, don't see you running a 700 aircraft airline!!!! Jet
34 wnflyguy: The BUZZ around WN system today HAWAII and Etops flying is being pushed back until 2016. Not happy if this rumor is true..wnfg
35 airliner371: When is voting over? There really is no way to tell until voting is over and the actual numbers are spread as a rumor unless they are making this dec
36 Atlwest1: Vote is done by noon central results shortly their after.
37 gizmonc: SWA tried to move everything over to Navitare and it was not performing well. SAAS has its problems so I presume the powers that be decided that they
38 Bobloblaw: By then there maybe nothing left for WN in Hawaii. Other carriers with lower CASM will step in and start filling the niche.
39 wnflyguy: FA vote or no FA vote. Hawaii is a no go being pushed off regardless is what everybody is talking about. I'm so glad WN wasting more money again. SAD
40 airliner371: Until there is confirmation, I'm not gonna believe this. The -800 is not a waste of money anyway because they are able to put it in slot controlled a
41 ouboy79: Yet WN would still be able to offer the flights and fill them with their own loyal flyers. It might be an issue picking up new passengers that don't
42 Atlwest1: Seeing the way he worded he didn't put a definitive it was more broad, meaning "everybody is talking about it". He did not say Hawaii is a no go. He
43 Atlwest1: So the Tentative agreement covering International Redeye and duty is being blab and reported that it has passed. More details to follow I assume. This
44 wnflyguy: Regadless if the FA VOTE is a pass or fail and no Hawaii. I hope they use the new 800 next year to replace the 41 FL 737-700 so they can at least free
45 airliner371: Do you mean International and redeye or only International Redeye's? None the less, good job to all that voted yes, you are helping your company whic
46 Atlwest1: If that happens they and to speed up the crossing over of employees or there will be lot of people just sitting around at FL.
47 wnflyguy: NOW with this YES vote Hawaii or not lets kick tale and GET moving... While I was not 100% with the TA. I'M HAPPY IT PASSED. ROLL OUT THE RED EYES MR
48 usflyguy: Red-eyes were in the contract already... they didn't need this to do them.
49 Atlwest1: Yes they were allowed to do night flying but now the lanugage is in clear terms for read eye flying which mostly red eye terminology in scheduling an
50 ouboy79: Commas...grammar...something. I'm trying to understand what you are meaning, but you keep running phrases together. This is a message board, not a te
51 enilria: I don't see domestic code share there. "Air Tran sell tickets to Southwest-only cities". SJD-SNA-OAK is selling an FL ticket to a non-Air Tran city.
52 ouboy79: Which should hopefully open the door now to get red-eye west>east flying going. It really stinks not being able to leave the west cost after like
53 Atlwest1: FL has flown redeyes for years and they are very popular and make lots of money for the company not to mention being efficient and a way of using a p
54 airliner371: I completely agree, doing it on an (iPhone for me) is not easy. Just some clarification, SWA can now do international flying, overwater flying (Hawai
55 Atlwest1: Well over-water will require every fa at swa to go through water survival and evacuation as well as raft training and elt installation on the aircraft
56 airliner371: I understand, but they never have to do anything with their unions in this process anymore, correct? Also AirTran isn't ETOPS certified, they are Ext
57 Atlwest1: Correct unless they want to go beyond "near international" which their isnt any indication of such at this point. Beyond would be deeper south americ
58 winglet13: At no point has WN tried to move everything over to Navitaire.
59 ouboy79: The way I'm taking it is that they can also have a reservation that is FNT-ATL-OKC for instance as well. It is still a domestic reservation, but allo
60 Bobloblaw: Didn't WN announce a few months ago they were deferring 738 deliveries until 2016? That is consistent with no Hawaii flying unti 2016 also.
61 ouboy79: 20 - 2013 deliveries were deffered 10 - 2014 deliveries were deffered They will be delivered now during 2017-2018, 15 each year. However, WN will sti
62 wnflyguy: FrOm My uNdeR St ANd Ing t H e 30 deffered deliveries ...,; W E R E T H E E T O P S Planes....!!!!!!!!!!!! W n F Y G u Y........ happy now [Edited 20
63 airliner371: They already have ETOPs planes though so even if they take delivery of non ETOPs they can still use ETOPs on Hawaii.
65 airliner371: They should definitely do OKC before TUL though.
66 southwest737500: Agreed, they should add both at the same time
67 ouboy79: Why bother doing both? OKC is the stronger market where WN continues to post exceptional growth (12% for the year so far). OKC's economy is out perfo
68 wnflyguy: Sorry 30 future Etops deliveries. Different topic looks like a WN SJU service announcement is coming very soon. Rumors are MDW and HOU may be potentia
69 wnflyguy: Sorry 30 future Etops deliveries. Different topic looks like a WN SJU service announcement is coming very soon. Rumors are MDW and HOU may be potentia
70 airliner371: When you say very soon do you mean in the next schedule extension or do you mean Monday? Thats exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully they take over
71 jporterfi: Excellent! It's about time this happened! Does this mean that FL award tickets can be used to purchase WN flights? Also, any chance that we'll see ATL
72 usflyguy: Can't fly ATL-DAL nonstop until 2014.
73 ouboy79: You can already do that. You just need to transfer the A+ Reward to your Rapid Rewards account and then use it on any available WN flight. The transf
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