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WN/FL Will Link Up Route Network  
User currently offlinerumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

There was an article about this in the Dallas paper the other day. Gary Kelly spoke at a transportation conference, saying the networks would link up in the 1st qtr 2013.

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/a...o-link-up-their-route-networks.ece

"That means that for the first time, a customer can start a flight in a Southwest city and connect to an international flight departing from an AirTran city, Kelly said at the Boyd Group International’s annual forecast conference in Dallas."

"Kelly indicated that airline officials must decide how to handle the issue of charging fees on flights, though he said Southwest will not begin charging bag fees. “The net effect of the revenue in passengers vs. the fees, it could be an offset. All that remains to be seen,” he said.

" Southwest’s reservation system does not have the capability to handle international itineraries. Therefore, Kelly said, international bookings will be handled on the AirTran reservations systems website until Southwest has a new reservation system in place."

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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13318 times:
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Sweet! This will be huge for long time WN city customers as well as FL customers reaching some cities previously unreachable such as BOI, BHM, ABQ, SLC, etc. Opening up bookings through MCO to the Caribbean from the good sized Southwest stations already served out of MCO will provide a boost for Orlando traffic too. I wonder if WN will allow bookings with RR points on WN/FL combo itineraries yet?

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13119 times:

Once the route networks are totally integrated I would think SAN-ATL and SLC-ATL are the two easy missing links? SLC i understand they think Delta might upgauge and Delta has defended SLC sometimes most recently US enterting to CLT but SAN just seems like such a natural that has to happen doesnt it?

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13017 times:

Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12968 times:

Does this mean I could fly FL from CLT-BWI-PIT.

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12931 times:

From what Gary has said before, this will be domestic and International.

Quote:
Does this mean I could fly FL from CLT-BWI-PIT.

Yes



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12870 times:

I see the code share starting in MAR.
Once the code share starts in APR this will give WN the freedom to remove overlapping FL markets.
Now with a full code share FL planes can be redeployed in new markets that have connects to all of WN.
I can see FL add service to:
MDW: ROC,CLT,RIC,DAY,PMW and FLT.
HOU: PNS,MEM,CLT.
STL: GRR.MEM.
ATL: PVD,MHT,ISP,ECP,ALB,BDL and SNA (hehe).
SNA: drop both FL LAS & SFO and add ATL and 2nd MEX.
Thoughts?
wnfg 



my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12843 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):

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Right now Amadeus part 1 it's just a fix to FINALLY connect and code share all flights.
Amadeus part 2 will be the new combined RES system for WN.
wnfg 

[Edited 2012-09-19 12:27:22]


my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6808 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12725 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.

Apparently the link-up will be available for domestic travel, too -- but international travel will only be bookable on FL's web site until Amadeus is active for WN international service.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12593 times:

Quote:
Thoughts?

Agree with everything, just adding, SWA will finally be able to convert more ATL flights without largely affecting AirTran pax.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

This just sounds like a computer/res meltdown waiting to happen.


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11688 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
This just sounds like a computer/res meltdown waiting to happen.

I actually think southwest has taken so long to do this it will be well thought out, organzied, well run and relatively smooth. Plus southwest tends to be pretty well run IMHO not an airline to create disasters and poor planning


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Plus southwest tends to be pretty well run IMHO not an airline to create disasters and poor planning

The way this entire merger has been executed has been piss-poor planning, IMHO.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):


I actually think southwest has taken so long to do this it will be well thought out, organzied, well run and relatively smooth.

Like the AirTran acquisition?

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 11):
Plus southwest tends to be pretty well run IMHO not an airline to create disasters and poor planning

See: The AirTran Acquisition.

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 6):
STL: GRR.MEM.

You can't just post that you see WN adding STL-GRR and walk off like nothing happened. Can you explain what would make that route work?


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11267 times:

Quote:
See: The AirTran Acquisition.

I completely agree the merger is not at all as expected by SWA or us but at the end of the day there will have been some advantages to the merger. New destinations, expanded access to DCA, LGA and a large focus city at ATL plus without it, SWA would not have realized they need a lot of fixing (ie. res system etc...). This is an expensive way to find this out but it might have been better to go through this then SWA alone. (We will never know)



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 2):


Add MCO-SAN to the list as well.

KH



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User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 10):
This just sounds like a computer/res meltdown waiting to happen.

I gotta agree on this one. There's a big difference between this merger and the last two. In the DL/NW merger and the CO/UA merger, there was a migration to one of the two existing systems. In the FL/WN merger, they'll have to migrate two systems into a new systems. In the first two mergers, there was a source of knowledge from at least one side of the merger. In this one, everyone at the combined carrier will be behind the curve. Yikes....


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 16):
In the FL/WN merger, they'll have to migrate two systems into a new systems.

It actually worse than that. This is two systems (navitare and saas), temporarily connected by a third system (amadeus) while they figure out what combined system (potentially 4th system) they are going to use in the long-term. Talk about potential for disaster!!

Why they didn't just migrate WN to Navitare (I'm sure they would have cut WN a great deal for the volume) for simplicity's sake, I will never understand.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10871 times:

CLT-MDW
CLT-HOU
CLT-DEN


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10599 times:

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
" Southwest’s reservation system does not have the capability to handle international itineraries.

STILL!!!!! How friggin hard is to make an international reservation????? This merger has shwon just how antiquated some aspects of WN are.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

Quote:
Add MCO-SAN to the list as well.

WN could operate this already if they wanted to. If the route happens it doesn't have anything to do with the codeshare.

Quote:
It actually worse than that. This is two systems (navitare and saas), temporarily connected by a third system (amadeus) while they figure out what combined system (potentially 4th system) they are going to use in the long-term. Talk about potential for disaster!!

What SWA is going to do is add Amadeus for International, see how that happens, if all goes well they have hinted at going all Amadeus (Domestic and International). If all doesn't go well they will work out the kinks and then do domestic res system.

That is what I understand from all that has been said.



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User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 13):

You can't just post that you see WN adding STL-GRR and walk off like nothing happened. Can you explain what would make that route work?

I'm not sure "what happened" exactly but I don't think hes required to monitor the board in case someone questions a perfectly reasonable assertion.

His premise, in my estimation, is that it will add network connectivity to a decently sized market in GRR. St. Louis provides similar connecting opportunities to many smaller midwestern stations and I would imagine GRR and perhaps DAY/DSM could be added as well.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9466 times:

Quote:
You can't just post that you see WN adding STL-GRR and walk off like nothing happened. Can you explain what would make that route work?

I think he can and he just did. Please remember we are all here as aviation enthusiasts, cultivating over one topic we all have a passion for. There are nicer ways you could have said this, (i.e. Could you explain please).

Quote:
STL: GRR

STL would provide great connecting opportunities because MDW and MKE are probably way to close for SWA's liking. I could see STL, DEN, BWI and some Florida city or two. Depends on what they want from GRR. If they want more business we could see less Florida, if they go after leisure then more Florida.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Did he say whether this "link-up" was international only? Remember they are getting Amadeus specifically for linking international. I'm more interested in how the domestic systems will link.

Apparently the link-up will be available for domestic travel, too -- but international travel will only be bookable on FL's web site until Amadeus is active for WN international service.

Do we have a link reflecting that?


User currently offlinerumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):

From the article.

"In addition to letting AirTran sell tickets to Southwest-only cities, the linkup will let Southwest passengers buy tickets to AirTran’s non-U.S. destinations, including several cities in Mexico, Jamaica, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."


25 ScottB : Also from the article:
26 usflyer msp : Southwest has already stated that for a period (until they take over all the FL domestic routes) they will be operating three systems. SAAS for WN, N
27 ouboy79 : Not really. Honestly once they transitional to international, what is the point for Navitare anymore? There would be no reason to keep domestic FL se
28 SANFan : I've certainly felt this way since WN first announced their intentions to use their own metal at Hartsfield. Yet here we are still, nothing... It's n
29 WNCrew : They're only going to do what they think makes money. I never understand why people act as if it's personal or their "hometown airport" is being igno
30 airliner371 : Your taking this personally. An airline is there to make money. If WN doesn't think serving SAN-MCO is smart for SWA, it won't. AS thinks they can do
31 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Because WN loves 4+ hour transcons
32 spiritair97 : One can only hope. They could probably make a daily 737 work, as in a market such as this one, it would be easy to beat DL's price.
33 Jetfixr757 : Who asked for it, don't see you running a 700 aircraft airline!!!! Jet
34 Post contains images wnflyguy : The BUZZ around WN system today HAWAII and Etops flying is being pushed back until 2016. Not happy if this rumor is true..wnfg
35 airliner371 : When is voting over? There really is no way to tell until voting is over and the actual numbers are spread as a rumor unless they are making this dec
36 Atlwest1 : Vote is done by noon central results shortly their after.
37 gizmonc : SWA tried to move everything over to Navitare and it was not performing well. SAAS has its problems so I presume the powers that be decided that they
38 Bobloblaw : By then there maybe nothing left for WN in Hawaii. Other carriers with lower CASM will step in and start filling the niche.
39 Post contains images wnflyguy : FA vote or no FA vote. Hawaii is a no go being pushed off regardless is what everybody is talking about. I'm so glad WN wasting more money again. SAD
40 airliner371 : Until there is confirmation, I'm not gonna believe this. The -800 is not a waste of money anyway because they are able to put it in slot controlled a
41 ouboy79 : Yet WN would still be able to offer the flights and fill them with their own loyal flyers. It might be an issue picking up new passengers that don't
42 Atlwest1 : Seeing the way he worded he didn't put a definitive it was more broad, meaning "everybody is talking about it". He did not say Hawaii is a no go. He
43 Atlwest1 : So the Tentative agreement covering International Redeye and duty is being blab and reported that it has passed. More details to follow I assume. This
44 wnflyguy : Regadless if the FA VOTE is a pass or fail and no Hawaii. I hope they use the new 800 next year to replace the 41 FL 737-700 so they can at least free
45 airliner371 : Do you mean International and redeye or only International Redeye's? None the less, good job to all that voted yes, you are helping your company whic
46 Atlwest1 : If that happens they and to speed up the crossing over of employees or there will be lot of people just sitting around at FL.
47 Post contains images wnflyguy : NOW with this YES vote Hawaii or not lets kick tale and GET moving... While I was not 100% with the TA. I'M HAPPY IT PASSED. ROLL OUT THE RED EYES MR
48 usflyguy : Red-eyes were in the contract already... they didn't need this to do them.
49 Atlwest1 : Yes they were allowed to do night flying but now the lanugage is in clear terms for read eye flying which mostly red eye terminology in scheduling an
50 Post contains links ouboy79 : Commas...grammar...something. I'm trying to understand what you are meaning, but you keep running phrases together. This is a message board, not a te
51 enilria : I don't see domestic code share there. "Air Tran sell tickets to Southwest-only cities". SJD-SNA-OAK is selling an FL ticket to a non-Air Tran city.
52 ouboy79 : Which should hopefully open the door now to get red-eye west>east flying going. It really stinks not being able to leave the west cost after like
53 Atlwest1 : FL has flown redeyes for years and they are very popular and make lots of money for the company not to mention being efficient and a way of using a p
54 airliner371 : I completely agree, doing it on an (iPhone for me) is not easy. Just some clarification, SWA can now do international flying, overwater flying (Hawai
55 Atlwest1 : Well over-water will require every fa at swa to go through water survival and evacuation as well as raft training and elt installation on the aircraft
56 airliner371 : I understand, but they never have to do anything with their unions in this process anymore, correct? Also AirTran isn't ETOPS certified, they are Ext
57 Atlwest1 : Correct unless they want to go beyond "near international" which their isnt any indication of such at this point. Beyond would be deeper south americ
58 winglet13 : At no point has WN tried to move everything over to Navitaire.
59 ouboy79 : The way I'm taking it is that they can also have a reservation that is FNT-ATL-OKC for instance as well. It is still a domestic reservation, but allo
60 Bobloblaw : Didn't WN announce a few months ago they were deferring 738 deliveries until 2016? That is consistent with no Hawaii flying unti 2016 also.
61 ouboy79 : 20 - 2013 deliveries were deffered 10 - 2014 deliveries were deffered They will be delivered now during 2017-2018, 15 each year. However, WN will sti
62 Post contains images wnflyguy : FrOm My uNdeR St ANd Ing t H e 30 deffered deliveries ...,; W E R E T H E E T O P S Planes....!!!!!!!!!!!! W n F Y G u Y........ happy now [Edited 20
63 airliner371 : They already have ETOPs planes though so even if they take delivery of non ETOPs they can still use ETOPs on Hawaii.
64 southwest737500 : They should add TUL-ATL
65 airliner371 : They should definitely do OKC before TUL though.
66 southwest737500 : Agreed, they should add both at the same time
67 Post contains links and images ouboy79 : Why bother doing both? OKC is the stronger market where WN continues to post exceptional growth (12% for the year so far). OKC's economy is out perfo
68 Post contains images wnflyguy : Sorry 30 future Etops deliveries. Different topic looks like a WN SJU service announcement is coming very soon. Rumors are MDW and HOU may be potentia
69 Post contains images wnflyguy : Sorry 30 future Etops deliveries. Different topic looks like a WN SJU service announcement is coming very soon. Rumors are MDW and HOU may be potentia
70 airliner371 : When you say very soon do you mean in the next schedule extension or do you mean Monday? Thats exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully they take over
71 jporterfi : Excellent! It's about time this happened! Does this mean that FL award tickets can be used to purchase WN flights? Also, any chance that we'll see ATL
72 usflyguy : Can't fly ATL-DAL nonstop until 2014.
73 ouboy79 : You can already do that. You just need to transfer the A+ Reward to your Rapid Rewards account and then use it on any available WN flight. The transf
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