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User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 504 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Looks like there are going to be some moves starting at MKE. Delta is moving to D

http://www.jsonline.com/business/del...tion-center-vs6u0c2-170337526.html


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User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Wonder if any new service is in the works?


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User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 504 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Have not heard about any news about new service, but I have heard that once Delta moves over to D, United will follow and E will be torn down. I guess they will have enough gates with out E, and MKE will probably never be a hub again but I hope they are not shooting themselves in the foot by tearing an entire concourse down.


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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Funny...so DL will have been in all three concourses in the course of around five years or less. (I don't remember exactly when they moved from C to E, but it was after the DL-NW merger.)

I always thought the retro (old) architecture on E was nifty, but operationally, it makes a lot more sense to consolidate all airport ops. into fewer concourses. The security checkpoint at E could get quite backed up at times when two or three flights happened to leave around the same time. I was there a few weeks ago, and a MSP, LGA, ATL, and DTW flight each were all leaving within 5-10 minutes of each other. It was a little hectic.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

This is a smart move for both MKE and DL. Not sure how I feel about tearing down Concourse E, but it probably makes more financial sense to tear the concourse down than the utility costs to keep it running when nobody is using it. It's also the most outdated of the three concourses.


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User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Just looked at the MKE map (as I have never been there before. I wonder if they would consider renumbering the gates so they make sense.. I don't see 1-8 or 26 and call them Terminal 1 and Terminal 2


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5565 times:

From this source F9 is moving to E though. Also dosnt UA partially use concourse E?
http://m.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/#/articles/view/page_9383112

I think the best bet for MKE is to have DL, UA, AC and F9 in D and have WN/FL, AA and US in C and just demolish E.



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User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
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So has UA made up it's mind which concourse it wants? Either they stay in C with AC or they move to E and either take AC with them or leave AC in C.

User currently offlineHermansCVR580 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 504 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

No news on UAL but Air Canada would move with them should they choose to move everything to E. Wonder which gates on D Delta will be taking.

Anyone know have they replaced the jetways on the 32-36 gates? I know that 30 was replaced earlier in the year but 32-36 were still the original's.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

I loved the E gate rotunda when I flew for NWA. I am assuming it was added in the mid/late 60s/early 70s as the architect seemed to be popular with airport terminal designs at the time (LAS T1 ,old IND, old ATL, old DTW F gates, old PIT). Very cool retro style but not too functional in an era of RJs mixed with mainline aircraft.

If the do raze the MKE E gates (and LAS T1) I guess this will leave DCA with that type of airside style in the USA.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
I think the best bet for MKE is to have DL, UA, AC and F9 in D and have WN/FL, AA and US in C and just demolish E.

Usually Alliance carriers stick together - in this case, it would be more suitable to have UA, US, AC together along with either F9/AA in D and WN, F9/AA and DL in C.

*Posted under current conditions of US being independent and in Star.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

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*Posted under current conditions of US being independent and in Star.

I was posting in assumption that US and AA will merge, lol.

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DL in C.

Well since DL is moving to D now I doubt they will move again.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
From this source F9 is moving to E though.

I don't believe that's quite correct; the story says that Frontier will take over the leases for the gates in a swap, but they won't actually use the gates. DL will take over six F9 gates on D, while F9 will take over the leases on the DL gates on E. Even though F9 is still stuck with the gate leases, they are probably able to reduce their overall costs since DL will take over the former Best Care Club space on D.

Long-term, I doubt F9 will need more than one or two gates at MKE, what with the MKE schedule in January being reduced to 3 daily DEN, sub-daily MCO, seasonal TPA/RSW?, and one weekly flight to CUN. They'll still be leasing far more gates than they need -- by my count, they have 20 gates on D.


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2401 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Anyone know when WN is moving its operations to C?

Quoting HermansCVR580 (Reply 2):
Have not heard about any news about new service, but I have heard that once Delta moves over to D, United will follow and E will be torn down. I guess they will have enough gates with out E, and MKE will probably never be a hub again but I hope they are not shooting themselves in the foot by tearing an entire concourse down.
Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
Not sure how I feel about tearing down Concourse E, but it probably makes more financial sense to tear the concourse down than the utility costs to keep it running when nobody is using it. It's also the most outdated of the three concourses.


I always thought it would end up being WN/FL in C, DL in E, and everyone else in D. That way both of MKE's largest carriers would have their own concourse and all three concourses would be flexible in terms of future expansion/increased service. This move sure makes it seem like E is going to be torn down or closed (even though one of the articles states that F9 is moving to E), and for me that'd be pretty disappointing. Sure, things may seem a little bit more gloomy now with all of F9's cutbacks, but like I said you're not giving yourself much flexibility for the future by tearing down an entire concourse. E could definitely use some upgrades though because of how outdated it has become compared to the rest of the airport.



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User currently offlineKGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Does this mean the former Midwest Best Care Club on D will become a Delta SkyClub? DL currently has a club on E that they inherited from NW.


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9960 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Here's a news release from Delta:


http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1713



"Delta Air Lines to Assume Naming Rights to Milwaukee Convention Center,

Sep 19, 2012

MILWAUKEE, Sept. 19, 2012 – Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) has signed a one-year agreement with the Wisconsin Center District to assume naming rights to the Milwaukee Convention Center. The Delta Center, as it will be known, will begin its transformation later this fall, complete with Delta branding, signage and collateral.

“We are always looking for marketing opportunities that align with the preferences and interests of our customers,” said Kristen Manion, Delta’s managing director – Worldwide Marketing Communications. “Milwaukee has always been an important market in the Delta network and the partnership with the Convention Center supports our commitment to our customers throughout the greater Milwaukee metro area.”

In addition to the naming rights to the building, the agreement provides Delta with exclusive airline advertising rights to the U.S. Cellular Arena, Milwaukee Theatre and The Delta Center. Delta Air Lines also will be marketed as the preferred airline for convention travel to and from Milwaukee.

“We are pleased that Delta Air Lines has agreed to sponsor our downtown convention center and support Milwaukee, and we are excited to begin a partnership with them,” said Franklyn Gimbel, Wisconsin Center District Board Chairman.

Delta is also working to improve the airport experience for Milwaukee customers by moving from the E Concourse to the D Concourse, the largest concourse at General Mitchell International Airport. Delta will utilize the same number of gates and the move is expected to be complete in early 2013.

As part of the move, Delta will take over the space previously occupied by the Frontier Best Care Club and convert it into a new Delta Sky Club. That space is 4,924 square feet, nearly double the size of Delta’s current club. The new club will feature all of the award-winning amenities of the Delta Sky Clubs including a full-service bar with complimentary beverages and snacks throughout the day; personalized flight assistance; satellite television; and complimentary Wi-Fi.

“The move to D Concourse will improve the airport experience for our customers,” said James Sarvis, Delta’s vice president – Airport Customer Service. “When you combine the newer facility with the larger Delta Sky Club and double the number of security checkpoint lanes, you can see how customers will benefit from the move, from the time they arrive at the airport to the time they depart on their flight.”

Delta operates 31 nonstop flights each weekday from Milwaukee to Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul, and New York’s John F. Kennedy and LaGuardia airports. A portion of travel for some itineraries may be on the Delta Connection carriers: Chautauqua Airlines, Comair, Compass Airlines, ExpressJet, Go Jet, Mesaba Airlines, Pinnacle Airlines, Shuttle America and SkyWest."



I guess they can just move the "Delta Center" signage from SLC to MKE for the NEW Delta Center.......



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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

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Anyone know when WN is moving its operations to C?

I heard November 4, 2012 when they take over more AirTran flights. No source though.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
I loved the E gate rotunda when I flew for NWA. I am assuming it was added in the mid/late 60s/early 70s as the architect seemed to be popular with airport terminal designs at the time (LAS T1 ,old IND, old ATL, old DTW F gates, old PIT).

It was built for North Central in 1969 / 70. I've seen pictures of NC 580s at the rotunda when it opened, without jetways attached.

The F gates were not the only part of DTW that had rotundas. The A concourse (which was used by Northwest prior to the Northwest / Republic merger) and the B concourse (which was originally used only by AA, although AA sublet most of their gates after they pulled down their DTW focus city post-deregulation) also had rotundas. The F concourse's rotunda was built in 1966 along with the rest of the Davey Terminal, and the A and B rotundas were added in the late 1960s. AA subsequently built a square addition on the west side of their rotunda to accomodate 747s.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 17):
It was built for North Central in 1969 / 70. I've seen pictures of NC 580s at the rotunda when it opened, without jetways attached.

The F gates were not the only part of DTW that had rotundas. The A concourse (which was used by Northwest prior to the Northwest / Republic merger) and the B concourse (which was originally used only by AA, although AA sublet most of their gates after they pulled down their DTW focus city post-deregulation) also had rotundas. The F concourse's rotunda was built in 1966 along with the rest of the Davey Terminal, and the A and B rotundas were added in the late 1960s. AA subsequently built a square addition on the west side of their rotunda to accomodate 747s.

Very interesting....thank you so much for the back story on MKE and DTW!!  


User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Regardless of what you think of DL, its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape. All they've managed to do since they took over YX is make a bunch of promises they couldn't keep. It'd be nice if DL added some more direct flights from MKE, instead of only having service to the major hubs.

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) has signed a one-year agreement with the Wisconsin Center District to assume naming rights to the Milwaukee Convention Center.

Only a one-year deal? What will it be named the year after that?


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quote:
its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape.

Just so everyone knows you can ignore this users posts. 99% of the time there is not fact in it, just bashing F9.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2401 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 19):
Regardless of what you think of DL, its good to get that eyesore F9 off of the landscape. All they've managed to do since they took over YX is make a bunch of promises they couldn't keep.

Although it's Republic, the owner of F9, who you should really be upset with.



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User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 20):
99% of the time there is not fact in it, just bashing F9.
Chicago Looking For Goats To Graze At ORD (by IllinoisMan Sep 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

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Does this mean the former Midwest Best Care Club on D will become a Delta SkyClub? DL currently has a club on E that they inherited from NW.

Yes, they give up the one on E and build a new, bigger one on D.

Quote:
(by IllinoisMan Sep 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)

1%.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

MKE-SLC seems like such a glaring gap in the network and MKE flyers. Again i think it has more to do with the limited availability of CR7/CR9/319 capable gates at the two main prime banks in SLC. There are more profitable uses of those gates but that may change if delta really develops more and more important MKE flyers. It is beyond CR2 deltas rules and o&d is too weak to support an off time. Delta tried MKE before reportedly on here not at the prime bank times and layover times were very long and o&d is clearly not profitable enough to support a flight yet.....but again that may change if delta gets more valuable business flyers and elites. It would add alot of cities and connection possibilities in weather/cancellations scenarios for flyers though if they gain enough elites

25 Post contains links HermansCVR580 : So I wonder if we will see a return to some of the cities that NW was running out of MKE like LAX,PHX,DCA? Here are some shots of the old E concourse
26 airliner371 : My personal opinion, we aren't going to see a lot of new service, if any. This is probably just a deal DL made with F9 to get the gates off F9's hands
27 mariner : You put a question mark, so just to clear it up. no, Frontier isn't flying MKE-TPA/RSW this winter. All of (non-DEN) Florida is being consolidated at
28 HermansCVR580 : Do we know yet which gates on D Delta will be taking from Frontier? I know it said six gates but I'm wondering if anyone knows which six, and I wonder
29 mikefrommke : As I heard it, the problem wasn't loads, it was that most people were flying beyond SLC and there wasn't enough O/D to make it worth it. They'd much
30 Post contains images NADC10Fan : I so remember that! I was on a few of those C580 flights, once upon a time, when I was really young. We would fly in to MKE from FLL on NW, and then
31 airliner371 : I just confirmed with MKE, Frontier will stay in D.
32 JBo : We get it. You have an axe to grind against F9 and Republic. It really isn't F9's fault it didn't work out in MKE. YX had been struggling in MKE for
33 slcdeltarumd11 : MKE simply is not large enough or high yielding enough to support both a southwest and Frontier major focus city with fuel prices this high. Its not r
34 mariner : How much is Frontier "pulling down"? Yes, they're dropping SMF, SMF, PVU and PHL but CAK becomes CLE and it's adding AZA, MOT and FAR Then there's SB
35 airliner371 : Over the next few weeks and months we will start to get a feel of what they will being doing in DEN. After one round of cuts and on round of addition
36 mariner : We have a fairly clear idea now. Anything may - or may not - happen in the future, but I deal with the now, what is, not what anyone thinks it might
37 mke717spotter : Anyone know how this compares in size with DL's club at ORD?
38 Post contains links IllinoisMan : And then there's this: New Frontier/Republic #32 (by bjorn14 Feb 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1 That's The Way The Cookie Crumbles (by HermansCVR580 Apr
39 airliner371 : And I could find triple that of you bashing F9 but lets just stop this.
40 mariner : Since you quoted me, I have to say I have no idea what you're talking about - I assume it is probably negative to Frontier, because you are always so
41 airliner371 : Of course it is. I think he expects "when YX was still around and dinner was served on china plates was served to every passenger who had a paid tick
42 mariner : Okay, I'm confused. Anyone who expected that from Frontier was very misguided. mariner
43 airliner371 : I'm just quoting what he posted on F9 28 to get you in the know.
44 mariner : Ye, I saw that now, thanks. But at no stage has Frontier offered those things, so I;m not sure why anyone would expect them. mariner
45 IllinoisMan : Airliner371 claimed the following: I inserted a few quotes from past threads to disprove his wild assertion.
46 mariner : I've read the thread you posted under my name and I still can't see the point you're making. Very clearly, my attitude then was the same as my attitu
47 knope2001 : From what I've heard, Frontier will continue on D, which supports what someone else posted as well. Frontier has 14+ gates on D they are on the hook
48 pilotfox : Delta will take the north hammerhead gates on D. Also US will be moving over to D concourse in the next two months.
49 knope2001 : North hammerhead has ten gates -- do you know which ones will be Delta?
50 HermansCVR580 : I wonder if USAirways will just move back into their old gates 51 & 54? Their old ops should still be there I would guess. I've heard grumblings t
51 Cubsrule : I generally agree with that sentiment, but as ground boarding goes, 27, 28 and 29 are really nice gates.
52 airliner371 : Hmmm... either to make way for consolidated UA ops or to make way for SWA to move from D to C.
53 mayor : Actually, all the press release says is that DL will take over the space where the Frontier Best Care Club is and convert it do a DL Sky Club. It say
54 airliner371 : If you go to the DL press release it says they are moving to D.
55 Post contains images IllinoisMan : Well, let's just hope that DL is sincerely committed to MKE. I'm not about to forget the rhetoric spewed out by the CEO of Republic Airways, like all
56 mayor : I posted the press release......it just says they're moving to D, but not where the gates are coming from.
57 mariner : Yes , it was. And that airline died. Pan Am was a great airline once. It died, too. And TWA, in it's glory days. It's a very long list. As I said in
58 rj777 : So that leaves F9 with either D27,28,29 or D42,44,46
59 yx302 : D34,36 and 38 are non swinging gates on hard stands. They will not lower to regional aircraft levels. At some point i imagine those will be replaced l
60 HermansCVR580 : Here is a thought maybe once the 717's start to arrive on Delta's side of the fence maybe MKE will see some expansion they can take gate's 30-38 for t
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