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HQ Of New LH LCC To Be Located In Cologne  
User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

just saw that on the ticker of German news channel n-tv.de. According to that ticker the new LH LCC will be "merged" with Germanwings.

[Edited 2012-09-19 09:30:09]

" Lufthansa platziert neue Billigfluglinie in Köln

Frankfurt/Main (dpa) - Die Lufthansa platziert ihre neue, umstrittene Direktfluglinie in Köln. Der Aufsichtsrat beschloss in Frankfurt die Verschmelzung der eigenen Direktflugverkehre außerhalb der Drehkreuze mit der Tochter Germanwings zum Jahresbeginn 2013. Auch Flugzeuge der Tochter Eurowings sollen im Auftrag der neuen Gesellschaft fliegen. Im ersten Jahr sollen rund 18 Millionen Passagiere befördert werden. Ein Name für die neue Gesellschaft steht noch nicht fest." (n-tv.de, 19.9.2012)

"Lufthansa locates its new LCC in Cologne

Frankfurt/Main (dpa) - Lufthana locates the HQ of its new and much debated LCC in Cologne. The Lufthansa Board of Directors decided to merge Lufthansa's direct services outside of its hubs with Lufthansa's subsidiary Germanwings at the beginning of 2013. Eurowings will also contribute some of its aircraft to the new company. In its first year of operations the new entity is expected to fly 18 million passengers. A new name has not been decided".


[Edited 2012-09-19 09:36:25]

[Edited 2012-09-19 09:37:59]

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User currently offlinetailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Expanding what they are already doing at Stuttgart to their other non-hub bases (Berlin, HAM, DUS, CGN). Services to/from FRA and MUC will not be affected across the network, including domestic German and European services.

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8894 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8619 times:
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To be honest, not real of a surprise for me. It was most certain in CGN and the merge with Germanwings makes only sense.
Let's see how It will be names and where the crews are coming from...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

This idea just gets worse and worse. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy watching this slow motion train wreck.


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User currently onlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

I have heard rumours that the new name will be Direct4You, is that true?


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8894 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8507 times:
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Direct4U was Founded not too long ago, but if this will be the final name is not decided yet.

wilco737
  



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User currently onlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

I like the use of " 4U " in the name  


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8894 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8459 times:
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Quoting kl911 (Reply 6):

4U is the 2 letter code for Germanwings for many years already.

wilco737
  



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User currently onlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

I know, thats why i like it if they use it in the name.


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User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8385 times:
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Managments dont seem to learn. Both LH and AC management seems to think they can create and run an LCC within a full service corporate structure that will have different results than SONG or TED. Neither LH nor AC management must read or learn from experiences of others.


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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
This idea just gets worse and worse. I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy watching this slow motion train wreck.

Correct. If anything, this just confirms for many that European aviation is 10-15 years behind of US aviation. Many posters on here have been mocking their own future on this site over the past 10 years.

It's gonna be painful.

And to make matters even worse: oil is way higher...

[Edited 2012-09-19 10:46:17]


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8894 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8379 times:
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Quoting peanuts (Reply 10):
It's gonna be painful.

I hope not... I am feeling well at my employer and I like flying and working for LH... But the recent changes makes many of us feel uncomfortable and not knowing what the future brings. And that is one of the biggest fear one can have as an employee...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 11):
And that is one of the biggest fear one can have as an employee...

You should be in a safe spot with LH, as a wide-body aircraft pilot.
I'd be more worried as a narrow-body aircraft pilot with LH.

I can see how you'd be concerned for your colleagues though...



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8894 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8324 times:
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Quoting peanuts (Reply 12):
You should be in a safe spot with LH, as a wide-body aircraft pilot.
I'd be more worried as a narrow-body aircraft pilot with LH.

Yes, for now I might be safe, but I don't know how my future at LH looks like. Once I am upgrading to Captain...

Quoting peanuts (Reply 12):
I can see how you'd be concerned for your colleagues though...

I am concerned for the all of us... We don't know in which direction this goes and it is all very difficult to understand for us crews...

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3651 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Is this really news? LH's HQ is also located in Köln, not to mention Germanwings'.

[Edited 2012-09-19 11:03:53]

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

There's more information on the new airline brand here. I suppose that German Wings' costs are higher than those of what Lufthansa would expect a budget airline to achieve.


http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...l-create-budget-brand-to-cut-costs


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 10):
If anything, this just confirms for many that European aviation is 10-15 years behind of US aviation. Many posters on here have been mocking their own future on this site over the past 10 years.

   It's going to be morbidly fun to watch, after hearing forever how ____fill-in-the-blank____ apreciate and are willing to pay for good service 



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2654 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
It's going to be morbidly fun to watch, after hearing forever how ____fill-in-the-blank____ apreciate and are willing to pay for good service 

Well, it goes both ways. When Skybus started and failed, we read here over and over again that Americans would never accept anything like Ryanair. Now Spirit is thriving going even further than Ryanair...



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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

But why ditch the Germanwings branding and name ? Rebranding can only add to the start-up costs. Does the brand not have a good reputation in Germany ?

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 17):
When Skybus started and failed, we read here over and over again that Americans would never accept anything like Ryanair.

I don't think I ever heard that; Americans won't bother flying to places they've never heard of to save $0 versus the city they actually want to go to however, and that's what doomed SX.



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User currently onlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3196 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 9):
Neither LH nor AC management must read or learn from experiences of others.

What about Jetstar? It's worked and expanded to other countries.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4679 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):
4U is the 2 letter code for Germanwings for many years already.

Wasn't Germanwings LHs low-cost carrier?

EK413



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User currently offlinetwa@fra From China, joined Nov 2000, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

What I don’t get is always the ref. to LCC, where does LH really has competition by a LCC within Germany? Within Europe on some routes.
Anyhow, within DE / Europe, certainly AB (LCC ?) is in the market, from my experience not always cheaper and on certain routes they just can’t offer the same frequency or even a direct routing.
So IMO that’s just an excuse that their overall cost structure is too high to produce a product they can sell

I also agree that these LCC within a full service airlines haven’t proofed to be the best solution, but how shall they reduce their cost?

As a quite loyal LH customer I’m a little bit scared, I don’t want these LCC 5:30 a.m. departures, give me some space to be able to work my laptop, some motivated FA (after a long day a smile, a joke etc.,. from a FA is just nice), give me some miles, some flexibility, a fast way through the airport and yes I’m willing to pay for that, not 600 EUR for a 1 h flight, but also not as low as 99 EUR

[Edited 2012-09-19 22:08:34]

User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Bloomberg explains LH will combine its short Haul unit with Germanwings for flights out of the FRA and MUC hubs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...an-flights-into-low-cost-unit.html

Quote:
Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA), Europe’s second-biggest airline, will combine its European short-haul operations outside its main Frankfurt and Munich hubs with the Germanwings low-cost unit as part of a cost-reduction effort.

The new unit will begin operations in January and fly 18 million passengers annually, Cologne, Germany-based Lufthansa said late yesterday. Former Chief Executive Officer Wolfgang Mayrhuber and former Chief Financial Officer Karl-Ludwig Kley have been nominated to join the supervisory board next year, with Mayrhuber taking over as chairman, the airline said.

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Lufthansa to Combine European Flights Into One Low-Cost Division Hannelore Foerster/Bloomberg
Deutsche Lufthansa AG , Europe’s second-biggest airline, will combine its European short-haul operations outside its main Frankfurt and Munich hubs with the Germanwings low-cost unit as part of a cost-reduction effort.

Deutsche Lufthansa AG , Europe’s second-biggest airline, will combine its European short-haul operations outside its main Frankfurt and Munich hubs with the Germanwings low-cost unit as part of a cost-reduction effort. Photographer: Hannelore Foerster/Bloomberg
Lufthansa has a companywide goal of saving 1.5 billion euros ($1.96 billion) through 2014 under a reorganization program dubbed Score. The company is cutting 3,500 jobs in administrative and as many as 1,000 catering slots may be eliminated. The program has already helped improve earnings, with second-quarter operating profit increasing 28 percent to 361 million euros and exceeding analyst estimates.

“Combining our domestic German and European point-to-point services has enormous potential to improve efficiency,” CEO Christoph Franz said in a statement. “Our aim is to once again fly these services profitably under the umbrella of a single company.”

Lufthansa is predicting full-year operating profit in the “mid-three-digit million-euro range,” excluding restructuring costs of 100 million euros to 200 million euros.


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2654 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
I don't think I ever heard that; Americans won't bother flying to places they've never heard of to save $0 versus the city they actually want to go to however, and that's what doomed SX.

Well I did read that often here at that time. SX was doomed by their hub-and-spoke model having CMH as only hub. Spirit (as FR) has a very different route network.



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25 EK413 : Forget I asked... question has been answered... EK413
26 PanHAM : That includes Eurowings as well which could mean that the 23 CRJ900 are transferred to that outfit as well. Germanwings currently has about 30+ A320,
27 nighthawk : quite the opposite actually - flights NOT from FRA and MUC will be combined into the new new loco airline.
28 PanHAM : The 90 aircraft will be made up of the current 4U fleet, the current EW fleet and 35 A3197320 from LH mainline. Assuming that current 4U and EW schedu
29 vfw614 : Realistically, this was only the case in the early days of Germanwings. Nowadays, their first departures on business routes are in the 0645-0700 time
30 LHRFlyer : So BA will have no competition in short-haul business class between, London-Berlin, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Hanover and Stuttgart. Interesting.
31 LondonCity : That's a good point. It means BA will be the only carrier with a premium product on what are essentially business travel routes. It remains to be see
32 joost : LHR-HAJ used to be a bmi regional route, which became BD and will become BA. But competition wasn't expected anyhow, irrespective of the deal. LHR-ST
33 vfw614 : There are Lufthansa customers who are joking that Germanwings indeed offers the better product on business routes within Europe because of the more c
34 LondonCity : Yes I would agree with what you say about the different tariff tiers and FFP awards. But LH has already confirmed that its new low-cost brand will no
35 tailfin : Most business travellers on these flights (when not mileage upgrades) still fly economy when flying point-to-point. BA might have good premium loads
36 PanHAM : Spoke to spoke will also mean that overnight stops will be eliminated, higher utilisation of aircraft., crew scheduling, all items on which cost can b
37 Post contains images wilco737 : Germanwings doesn't have many night stops anyway. Will be interesting to see what they do to cut costs... wilco737
38 Burkhard : Which might be the bigger sum. In the end I wonder, how do crew costs really contribute to the ticket costs. My rough estimate is for an A320, that t
39 PanHAM : Without claiming to have the exact figures, but I remember that crews work something like 90 block hours per month. Assuming - I think that is rather
40 Aerosol : This company is weakening its position - they are leaving their brand roots - be it the new low cost, the new claim "nonstop you" or "score". They nee
41 vfw614 : I don't understand your point. LH outside FRA and MUC will be replaced by the new airline, so there will be no choice unless you are referring to one
42 PanHAM : These flights lose money in the triple digit millions. These flights are not feeding hubs. these flights are a service for the local economy and have
43 vfw614 : As I mentioned above, the most interesting question is whether the new airline follows the concept currently trialled at BER (a sort of Lufthansa ligh
44 PHX Flyer : Well, here's news for you: Lufthansa's headquarters has been in Frankfurt, probably for the last 20 years. You're confusing it with the registered bu
45 IndianicWorld : Umm.. heres new for you though. A registered business address is a HQ, so it is not in FRA at all. Saying that is meaningless misses the point comple
46 Post contains links PHX Flyer : According to your logic all major US carriers would have their headquarters in Wilmington, Delaware, because that's where they all have their busines
47 PanHAM : I have to disappoint you, PHX Flyer, unlike companies based in Wilmington DE, who usually have a mail box there, Deutsche Lufthansa AG Von-Gablenz-Str
48 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Thanks. What he said LH has its HQ in Koln. Simple as that.
49 Post contains links PHX Flyer : YOu would not disappoint me, fit it were only true, alas it's not. I do not dispute that Lufthansa's legal address is in Cologne. Let's agree that we
50 Talaier : Both Song and Ted were LCCs within a legacy. These are pure LCCs with a completely isolated management structure outside the mother company (like IBE
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