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US Flying A321 On Route PHL-SJU In 2013  
User currently offlineSQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

I was just checking some prices on US between PHL and SJU. According to their website US1077/1078 will be operated by A321 on April 12th/April 14th 2013.

In this thread US A321 Performance (by Xcltflyboy Sep 9 2012 in Civil Aviation) I was asking if they are going to use the A321 on this route replacing the B757 (reply 74).

The answer was that the A321 are not equipped for EOW operations (reply 75).

So will the next deliveries be EOW-equipped? Will some aircrafts be refurbished?

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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4877 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

It depends on how overwater you want to get.

A great circle route would take you through New York Oceanic, so HF radios are required. Also, depending on US rules, slide/rafts may also be required. (With Canadian rules, you can go up to 400nms without requiring rafts, so they would not be required).

By going south, then about 200nms north of NAS, heading along the islands would add about 200 nms to the flight, but HF radios would not be required.

Life jackets are required on either route.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

With something like 13 A321s being delivered this year and 60+ already in the fleet, I am imagining they could have a few overwater equipped planes either now, or soon enough if they wanted them.

NS


User currently onlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

They have used 321s on this route before.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Why is this a surprise they use for that

User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

No news here .... I'm flying US SJU-CLT around Thanksgiving and was scheduled as an A321, but switched to B762 and already full


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User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

I've flown CLT-MBJ on an A321 when they upgraded it from an A320 at the last minute. Can't remember what the exact routing was, but it wasn't very direct.


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5143 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 4):
Why is this a surprise they use for that

Because we are trying to understand the routing due to the 321s not Overwater equipped.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1063 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

When we fly the A321 to SJU from PHL we usually "hug" the east coast , followBahamian chain , stay close to Hispaniola and on into Puerto Rico from there . It adds a little more time to the flt but its complete doable . I have worked it many times before .

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20120921/1345Z/KPHL/TJSJ

A321 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20120617/1345Z/KPHL/TJSJ



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4877 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 6):
I've flown CLT-MBJ on an A321 when they upgraded it from an A320 at the last minute. Can't remember what the exact routing was, but it wasn't very direct.

Over-water equipment should have no effect on a CLT-MBJ routing. If your flight was not as direct as optimum, then other factors may have been at play. In that area, my first guess would be weather.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 8):
It adds a little more time to the flt but its complete doable

It adds about 20 minutes to flying time. The routings shown from flightaware comparing the B757 to the A321, make me wonder what over-water equipment is on US's A321s, as it appears to be closer to shore than necessary. Do they even have life jackets?



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1063 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

The A321's are not EOW equipped but they do have life vests . They do not have slide/rafts at the doors . Just regular escape slides . A number of east A319's are EOW . Not all . All East A320's are EOW equipped . I don't know about west based 319's and 20's although I will go as far as saying they are not EOW ( Extended Over Water ) Equipped . Someone correct me if I am wrong .

User currently offlineSQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to use EOW equipped A321 compared to the higher fuel burn on the current A321 route?

What are the estimated costs for EOW equipment?

[Edited 2012-09-23 03:55:14]

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 7):

They've been doing this for years, how does the topic pop up now


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 13):
They've been doing this for years, how does the topic pop up now

Yup. I recall flying a 321 on PHL-SJU not later than 2007, and they're in the photo database here going back to 2006. I actually think they've been flying them there longer than that.


User currently offlineSQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 13):
They've been doing this for years, how does the topic pop up now

Simply because I haven't flown on the route before and I wanted to know what is going to happen if all B757 are gone.


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