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Helicopter Hits Plane In Syria  
User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17124 times:

Just saw this on Twitter: Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews:
Syria says crashed military helicopter hit passenger plane with 200 people on board, plane landed safely at Damascus airport - @Reuters

Does anybody know any more?

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User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17024 times:

Not much more available on the BBC...:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19659625

Seems we're not likely to get much more detail very soon give the circumstances...


Faro



The chalice not my son
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16935 times:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...crisis-plane-idUSBRE88J0LB20120920

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19659625

Little bit more on BBC.

M


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16916 times:

Would be interesting to know what type of plane and what airline it was...


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16845 times:

From one of the source stories linked below the BBC article

Quote:
In Thursday's incident, the helicopters rotor clipped the tail of a Syrian Arab Airlines jet, the state TV said. The passenger plane “landed safely at the airport and none of the 200 passengers were harmed,” the report said


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16654 times:

Ah didn't see that one.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16603 times:

Which Syrian Airlines aircraft carries 200 passengers? Their two SPs still in service?


Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16246 times:

According to airfleets.net they only have ATR's and A320's. Maybe it was an A320 and they just rounded up to 200?
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Syrian%20Arab%20Airlines.htm


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16185 times:

Either that, or it was a larger plane not belonging to Syrian.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16138 times:

I assume that the 2 B747SP are still sitting in Saudi.

User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Possible it could be an MEA a320 from neighbouring Lebanon


On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14696 times:

The major news outlets such as CNN, Jazeera etc.. only mention (and posted pictures of ) the rebels shooting down a helicopter - an Mi-8. I know the media can be biased but none of them mentioned a 'mid-air' collision! Mid air collisions are not your normal occurrences and do not happen too often and frankly, this should have been front- page news as it could have lead into a catastrophe and thankfully it didn't.

Has a real catastrophe been avoided here?



Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

So far all I've been able to find is that ONE PERSON originated the news story about the collision.

I've found no second source and no confirmation of the helicopter actually striking a civilian aircraft.

I'm not saying the story is false, but I'm skeptical at this point. I'll also acknowledge that the Damascus Airport isn't a place where an independent news reporter could easily examine an aircraft, or get officials to speak on the record. Even before the current fighting started.

[Edited 2012-09-20 12:57:01]

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3479 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13446 times:
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The Syrian government trying to hide that the helicopter was shot down created this story, they are talking about how heroic the helicopter pilot was by sacrificing himself, and the civilian pilot , by coincidence is called captain Brave, performed great skills to bring the plane back to ground with its back aileron and whatever chattered.
Two things do not add up
1) There is no pictures of the damaged A320
2) They say that the collision happened at 12000 feet, the helicopter crashed about 30 miles from DAM (Douma), how can an A320 with 200 pax gain 12000 feet in 30 miles?



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12671 times:

May be the 200 included crew as well?.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11325 times:

http://www.syriaair.com/AboutSAA/Fleet/tabid/56/Default.aspx

My first reaction was surely, they are not still flying the B727-200. Although, if they do'nt know, then who does.

However, having viewed this Trip Report, it seems that although most were retired by 2005, that at least 1 was still flying.

Syrianair B727-200, AUH-DAM [+ Pics] (by UK_Dispatcher Oct 26 2005 in Trip Reports)

Is it possible that some of these jets are still flying, after all a B727 would have about the same capacity as an A320.


User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 13):
2) They say that the collision happened at 12000 feet, the helicopter crashed about 30 miles from DAM (Douma), how can an A320 with 200 pax gain 12000 feet in 30 miles?

The bigger question would be the helicopter at that altitude. Some helo's are capable of flying that high, but it certainly is not normal.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6692 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10920 times:

Exactly my thought, especially a heavily armed military helo.


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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5473 times:

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 10):

Possible it could be an MEA a320 from neighbouring Lebanon

MEA haven't flown to Damascus in decades so I doubt it's one of their aircraft.
Royal Jordanian 436, a scheduled A321 from Damascus to Amman has been canceled though according to Flightstats..



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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Not only does the altitude make the incident questionable, but who hit who? Helicopters don't usually go fast enough to "run into" airliners in flight!

I will be interesting to see what, if anything, really happened.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 19):
Helicopters don't usually go fast enough to "run into" airliners in flight!

No, but crossing flight paths are much more likely. After all, who thought a PA-28 could run into a DC-9.


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 20):
No, but crossing flight paths are much more likely. After all, who thought a PA-28 could run into a DC-9.

You are correct, and in the example you cited the MD almost got away, it was a very close call. It appears the Piper did indeed hit the tail of the MD, but if the collision had happened a fraction of a second sooner the MD tail would have hit the Piper. Better still, a slightly longer fraction later and the collision would not have occurred.

Similar incident with a helicopter would have been the helicopter blades hitting the MD.


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3961 times:
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JACDEC now confirms that the aircraft involved was Syrianair's A320 YK-AKF. The photo shows considerable damage to the tail... to the point where I would say, amazing that it made it to the ground safely.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

While the top 30-50% of the vertical stabilizer is missing - the remaining part gives plenty of stability to the aircraft. Not the worst damage to a VS or HS that I've seen in an aircraft that landed safely. I wouldn't want to be on it in severe turbulence, but any competent crew should be able to land such an aircraft in normal flight conditions.

Syria has Mi-24 and Mi-2 attach helicopters, both very capable of reaching altitudes higher than 12,000 ft where the collision was supposed to occur - about 18km / 11 miles northeast of DAM - straight out on the runway heading.


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

http://avherald.com/h?article=45671063&opt=0

Wow. Amazingly lucky they made it back safely.


25 kaitak : Absolutely; it was a great piece of flying by this crew! Another few feet off the tail and it could have been an entirely different outcome.
26 bueb0g : That's probably exactly why they impacted - the relative speed of the A320 vs the Heli. A320 climbed into the Heli's flightpath, probably either at a
27 Post contains links cedarjet : Wow - amazing pic! Lucky passengers - although in another, and more real sense, it is a tragedy that Syria's people are trapped in this terrible war.
28 raffik : Actually, I did read that at full capacity, RB's A320s can indeed seat 200 people.. including children on laps, 4 in the cockpit (2 as observers) and
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