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Philippine Aviation 2012 #2  
User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8246 times:

So! Here we are again with a new Philippine thread, post away folks!

First of:

Philippine Airline will increase and change their operations in Australia from current five weekly MNL-SYD-MEL-MNL (and vice versa) into two separate dedicated services for a total of daily flights to the country, starting October 31.

Manila – Sydney
PR211 MNL2040 – 0755SYD 77W 1x3x5x7
PR212 SYD0945 – 1500MNL 77W 12x4x6x

Manila – Melbourne
PR209 MNL2040 – 0750MEL 77W x2x4x6x
PR210 MEL0950 – 1500MNL 77W xx3x5x7
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The ICN-CEB route will see a great jump in capacity starting this winter!
*Zest Air will boost their services going from twice weekly to daily!
*Korean will deploy a daily 747-400 instead of the 737-900 planned for this winter or A330-300 that is currently flying.
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The Philippines and the United Arab Emirates successfully held a meeting a few weeks ago where they agreed to increase entitlements for carriers.
Previously, UAE carriers were allowed two daily flights and Philippine carriers two daily aswell, for a total of four.
This has now been doubled to four daily flights from UAE and four daily from the Philippines, for a total of eight.

As none of the Philippine entitlements were used, these were instead used by EK and EY, thus enabling them to operate double daily flights each.
But as we all know, both PR and 5J are now very keen on flying to UAE. So my question is how you guys think these new entitlements will be used?
In my opinion, I can't really see PR and 5J operating a total of four daily to the country, so I think that EK and EY both will keep their "borrowed" entitlements and add a new third daily service each, for a total of six.
The remaining 2 daily will probably be shared by PR (daily DXB, or 4pwDXB + 3pwAUH) and 5J (daily DXB, or 4pwDXB + 3pwAUH)!
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Domestic air travel during H1 grew by 13,3%
http://www.rappler.com/business/1100...ir-passengers-to-11-m-in-h1,-up-13
International air travel during H1 grew by 7,4%
http://www.rappler.com/business/1260...e-int-l-passengers-to-8-63-m-in-h1

I found a few numbers interesting. The average number of passengers on

EY MNL flights during Q2 stood at 400 (97% LF)
EK MNL flights during Q2 stood at 424 (96% LF).

EY MNL flights during H1 stood at 380 (92% LF)
EK MNL flights during H1 stood at 418 (95% LF)
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/Alex


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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
so I think that EK and EY both will keep their "borrowed" entitlements and add a new third daily service each
Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
EK MNL flights during Q2 stood at 424 (96% LF).

... and now (01JAN13), EMIRATES IS FINALLY ADDING A THIRD DAILY FLIGHT TO MANILA!

As we all know, EK has for a long time often been full or even overbooked at MNL, so this was a good move. I suppose EY will be quick in adding a third flight aswell.

EK332 DXB0400 – 1600MNL 77W D
EK334 DXB1030 – 2230MNL 77W D
EK336 DXB1830 – 0630+1MNL 77W D NEW

EK335 MNL0020 – 0525DXB 77W D
EK337 MNL0845 – 1350DXB 77W D NEW
EK333 MNL1735 – 2240DXB 77W D

/Alex



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7751 times:

More interesting perhaps is this announcement.....

http://business.inquirer.net/84126/s...rabia-philippines-ink-new-air-deal

Quote:
"The Philippine government has signed a new deal with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to increase flights as local airlines pursue aggressive expansion plans.

Following two days of negotiations this week, the local air panel signed the bilateral air service agreement (ASA) for flights to the Middle East, where millions of Filipinos work.

Under the new deal, flights between Manila and Jeddah were more than doubled to 21 a week from the current 10.

The agreement also removed restrictions to the number of flights between Clark Freeport, Pampanga, to any point in Saudi Arabia. In return, the country agreed to remove limits on the number of flights between Damman and any point in the Philippines.

[.....]

For instance, Cebu Pacific, which will take delivery of four brand-new Airbus A330-300 planes in 2013, said it would start long-haul flights to the United States and the Middle East by next year.

Also, flag carrier Philippine Airlines plans to focus on major domestic routes and expand its international operations. Minor domestic routes, meanwhile, will be transferred to sister firm Air Philippines.

At the moment, no local airline has flights to the Middle East.

Earlier this month, the Philippines and the United Arab Emirates agreed to significantly increase flights between them as both countries look to boost their trade and tourism sectors."



After years of neglect, OFWs in the Kingdom will finally get to fly home on their "own"...   

Not sure if the national entitlements would be shared equally by PR and 5J. Both competing for the same market might give an edge to mideast carriers with extremely deeper pockets.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
For instance, Cebu Pacific, which will take delivery of four brand-new Airbus A330-300 planes in 2013, said it would start long-haul flights to the United States and the Middle East by next year.

Are PR and 5J being optimistic in starting new to the US next year? Is there another inspection to take place that could let them achieve Cat I status?



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7720 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 3):
Are PR and 5J being optimistic in starting new to the US next year? Is there another inspection to take place that could let them achieve Cat I status?

Their recent orders of IGW A333s are probably indicative of their expectations regarding new US routes. The article's reference to 5J's previous statement (since played down by the carrier) only pertained to 5J's Hawaii aspiration.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
The article's reference to 5J's previous statement (since played down by the carrier) only pertained to 5J's Hawaii aspiration.

So are PR and 5J allowed to start new Hawaii flights but not mainland ones? If so why doesn't PR consider additional flights to HNL or are the restricted to a particular air agreement?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7434 times:

According to local forums, Project Winter Domestic is starting to be implemented on PR's website. Some of the routes which will shift to 2P are no longer bookable on PR's website, although there is word that there will be codesharing and livery benefits, as was the case with the old PAL Express. Mabuhay Miles will also be accruable on PAL Express flights, like before.

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

An exercise of options very close to their original order of IGW A333s appear in at least a couple of online aviation media.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...l-orders-10-a330s-for-25bn-377043/

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) has exercised options to buy 10 Airbus A330-300 aircraft for $2.5 billion, with deliveries planned in 2013-2014.

The deal was confirmed by company president and chief operating officer Ramon Ang.

Media reports from the Philippines quote Ang as saying that the company exercised the options two weeks ago.

Today's deal follows PAL's 54 Airbus buy in August worth $7 billion and comprising 34 A321s, 10 A321neos and 10 higher-weight Airbus A330-300s. The 10 aircraft deal today is also for the higher-weight A330."



The indicated price raised questions about the actual model on order. As of yet, no corresponding press release is posted on Airbus' site. Lack of information on the powerplant adds to the mystery...though PR announced they were getting Rollers. These lead to speculations about the A350, or the engines being included.

In any case, a hundred-strong fleet does fuel concerns of the carrier becoming over-leveraged.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
34 A321s, 10 A321neos

What mission would the regular A321s do as well as the neos? Couldn't they have gone for mainly neos and no regulars?



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 8):

The full reports of the original order and threads here on those had the details. PR didn't want to wait till the NEOs are available.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7223 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 8):
What mission would the regular A321s do as well as the neos?

My guess:

*A321: high-density domestic routes, maybe some short regional routes (MNL-HKG, MNL-MFM)
*A321neo: short-to-medium-range regional (intra-Asia) routes


User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

The new, additional HGW A333s are perhaps meant to replace all of PR's old A330s, and may answer the OP's questions in the other thread ( Philippines Airlines' Arabian Gulf Plans? (by victortango Sep 28 2012 in Civil Aviation) ) as follows:

Quoting victortango (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if PR are planning to start any new Gulf routes, especially DXB?
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Quoting CityAirline (Reply 2):

Both UAE and the Philippines were recently granted additional entitlements.


As did Saudi Arabia. It might look like this.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-dxb-jed&MS=wls&DU=nm

.....or like this on alternate days.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-+dxb+/+jed


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 2):
Yes, both PR and 5J are planning new routes to the Middle East!


Based on news reports, 2P could do the high density LCC flights to DMM...with 5J getting DOH, DXB or MCT.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-dmm&DU=nm

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl+-+doh+/+dxb+/+mct

[Edited 2012-09-29 09:34:03]


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7006 times:

Speaking of the Middle East, will this mean PAL will start discontinuing its codeshare agreements with GF, EK, EY and QR?

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

PAL needs to seriously look at MNL-KWI nonstop with the A333. Currently KU flies 6 times per week via BKK using an old A343 to MNL which does not cater to market demand as GF/EK/QR/EY all have larger market share.

If PR can somehow manage to initially launch KWI-MNL nonstop 5 times per week using an A333, it is guaranteed to see high loads and decent yields as it will be offering a convenient nonstop product. FYI the annual market size between MNL and KWI is 125,000 pax !


User currently offlinevictortango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Quote:
PAL needs to seriously look at MNL-KWI nonstop with the A333.

Wouldn't MNL-DXB be more beneficial? With Filipino traffic is all about the baggage allowance. Simply because of the expat population who generally travel home once in 2 years. IIRC years ago PR used to offer 50kgs FBA from DXB to MNL. Reasonable fares with about 40-50kgs FBA thrown will certainly fill up seats.

I understand EK/EY dominate on the UAE-MNL route, however I certainly think PR can grab a huge chunk off CX and SQ who also carry a large number of Filipinos.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3321 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

According to my statistics, CX carried almost as much traffic on MNL-DXB last year as EK.
so in some ways it is a fallacy to suggest that EK dominates the sectors.

Airline Year Passengers
EK 2010 197921
CX 2010 180520

CX 2011 161440
EK 2011 147312


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Those numbers are not correct! Please explain to me how CX can carry more passengers on the route, when EK has double daily 77Ws to MNL, and CX doesn't even have that capacity to HKG?
Besides, EK carried around 600,000 passengers on DXB-MNL last year, not 147,000.
Maybe the CX statistics are right, but not the EK ones. Where did you get these twisted figures?



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

The order is now confirmed on Airbus' website.....

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ine-airlines-orders-10-more-a330s/

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) has placed a firm order with Airbus for an additional 10 A330-300 widebody aircraft. The latest purchase agreement follows a major order from the airline in August for 44 single aisle A321s and 10 A330s under the carrier’s fleet modernisation programme.

For its latest order the airline has selected the 240 tonne high gross weight version of the A330, offering extra range capability. This will enable the airline to operate the aircraft non-stop from Manila to any destination in the Asia-Pacific region, as well as to the Middle East and as far as Honolulu in the US."




Quoting Akiestar (Reply 12):
Speaking of the Middle East, will this mean PAL will start discontinuing its codeshare agreements with GF, EK, EY and QR?

It will likely be a gradual reduction of its codesharing arrangements as the new A333s begin delivery.


Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
Currently KU flies 6 times per week via BKK using an old A343 to MNL which does not cater to market demand as GF/EK/QR/EY all have larger market share.

It's interesting to see what number of passengers to MNL transit at BAH.....

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Why are PR using an A320 on MNL-BKK-DEL, cant they maintain the route with A330?

User currently offlinevictortango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 15):
According to my statistics, CX carried almost as much traffic on MNL-DXB last year as EK.
so in some ways it is a fallacy to suggest that EK dominates the sectors.

Those figures are absolutely incorrect.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 16):
explain to me how CX can carry more passengers on the route, when EK has double daily 77Ws to MNL, and CX doesn't even have that capacity to HKG?

        

EK operates 77Ws which seats in excess of 350 pax per aircraft, and CX, double daily on 330/340, one of which transits DXB from JED. CX max capacity on this route (assuming no transit pax from JED) is 547 seats per day! And this is to HKG not direct MNL.


User currently offlineRocket45 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

This is a subject change but since this is a Philippine discussion I have been curious about an article in the Philippine Star newspaper on 5/8/12 where a new president was appointed for of Air Philippines now called Airphil Express. Polo sportsman Inigo Zobel. This is the first time he has accepted any executive position, he has been on the board of San Miguel but his passion for polo has been his full time job. He told the Star He will do his best to manage the airline even if he has other committments, primarily in polo competitions. This certainly is a unique background for an airline president. Of course Ang of San Miguel now manages Philippine Airlines and the name Zobel in the Philippines makes one stand up and salute. This must be what is call "a figure head" president. Any ideas?.

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5903 times:

Found an interesting comment regarding PAL possibly going towards Oneworld :
Suppose it´s a mere wish rather than reality in the near future - no matter how dire OW´s situation is at the moment ...
(though I´d be happy to see PAL in OW !!!)

See: http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp.../frankfurt-here-we-come-again.html



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5880 times:

In 2011 on the DXB-MNL-DXB route, a total of 540,000 passengers approximately flew in both directions and the respective market shares of the top airlines obtaining passengers were as follows:

Source: Shepherd System

1. EK 35% (this includes pax flying on EK but ticketed on PAL stock due to code share agreement in place)
2. CX 25%
3. SQ 11%
4. QR 7%

So yes CX does rely heavily on MNL to feed its DXB bound services, but it definitely does not have a higher market share than EK on the DXB-MNL-DXB sector.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3888 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Effective November 4th (arrival in MNL on the 5th) Hawaiian Airlines will be using the A330-200 on the HNL-MNL route. Same schedule, just increased capacity, cargo abilities and amenities.

User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 21):

Found an interesting comment regarding PAL possibly going towards Oneworld :
Suppose it´s a mere wish rather than reality in the near future - no matter how dire OW´s situation is at the moment ...
(though I´d be happy to see PAL in OW !!!)

See: http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp....html

No. Just no.   


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 24):
No. Just no.

Sorry for thes news ...
Thought it could´ve made your day   

Ok, seriously: Why do they always talk step #3 before step #1 is done ?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 25):
Sorry for thes news ...
Thought it could´ve made your day   

Alliance news makes my day. But not PR entering oneworld. Under no circumstances will I ever support PR entering oneworld, so long as CX is there.


User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 26):
But not PR entering oneworld. Under no circumstances will I ever support PR entering oneworld, so long as CX is there.

Somehow I understand your position ...
But which Alliance would "fit" better ? Star ? I´m pretty sure SQ/TG would not want PR in Star.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Quoting MHG (Reply 27):
But which Alliance would "fit" better ? Star ? I´m pretty sure SQ/TG would not want PR in Star.

SQ and TG didn't want each other to be in the same alliance, so their opposition to PR joining Star would be irrelevant if they themselves don't want each other to be in Star. But PR has its best fit in SkyTeam, followed by Star.

PR in oneworld under the so-called "patronage" of CX only means that CX is out to get PR again. If they wanted to subsume PR into CX back in 1998 when PR went bankrupt, who's not to say that they want to try it again this time? No thanks. I want the flag carrier in an alliance where it is valued, not where the only value it has is to feed the big airline next door, and where it will benefit at the expense of PR.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3321 posts, RR: 20
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 22):
1. EK 35% (this includes pax flying on EK but ticketed on PAL stock due to code share agreement in place)
2. CX 25%

Do the EK numbers also include pax flying MNL-DXB, and then onto elsewhere on the EK network?
in other words, who has the largest OD market share, rather than segment pax share?


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 43
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 29):

Do the EK numbers also include pax flying MNL-DXB, and then onto elsewhere on the EK network?
in other words, who has the largest OD market share, rather than segment pax share?

Hi...my numbers are purely O&D MNL-DXB-MNL and not network wide.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Hi everyone!
PAL will integrate domestic operations of their LCC subsidiary AirphilExpress and Philippine Airlines in a very odd way that I don't understand. For those unfamiliar with their network, both carriers until now had separate services to all major cities around the country. But starting late October, PAL will entirely take over a number of those cities, letting AirphilExpress take care of the rest, meaning that no city will receive both carriers.

PAL will solely fly to the following mainline destinations from MNL:

CEB 13 daily
DVO 7 daily
BCD 5 daily
ILO 5 daily
KLO 4 daily
TAG 4 daily
GES 2 daily
LAO 2 daily

APX will solely fly to the following mainline destinations from MNL:

BXU 1 daily
CGY 6 daily
CBO 1 daily
DPL 1 daily
DGT 1 daily
LGP 1,5 daily
PPS 5 daily
RXS 1 daily
TAC 3 daily
ZAM 2 daily
OZC 1 daily

This is a total reduction of 12 daily domestic flights. CEB and DVO will maintain the same frequency, but airports like ILO reduces from eight to five while TAC reduces from six to three etc...
What I do NOT understand about all this:

1: Why do they split up the operations like this? Where's the logic in giving TAG to PAL, and TAC to APX? Or ILO to PAL and CGY to APX? All these destinations are about the same, and I highly doubt the yield and passenger type varies that much!
2: Will passengers be able to connect TAG-MNL-HKG, but not TAC-MNL-HKG for example?
3: And do PAL really belive that they can fill the extra five flights to CEB with their high fares? The only reason APX could fill these five flights is that they were competitive to the other LCCs...
4: What will PAL/APX do with these 3-4 aircraft now being freed up when APX are also awaiting delivery of seven more A320 during 2012/2013?

To me this move is not understanable anywhere! Maybe someone could spread som light?

/Alex



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 31):
1: Why do they split up the operations like this? Where's the logic in giving TAG to PAL, and TAC to APX? Or ILO to PAL and CGY to APX? All these destinations are about the same, and I highly doubt the yield and passenger type varies that much!
2P is being rebranded back to PAL Express. The strategy now is that PR mainline will only handle high-yielding domestic and almost all international routes, while 2P will be akin to PR "regional": secondary domestic and international cities in the PR network.

As far as I know, there will be a common livery for both airlines, and 2P passengers will get full PR service: they will be entitled to earning Mabuhay Miles, use of Mabuhay Lounges (the Mrs. Field's at Terminal 3 has been contracted for this purpose), and they will be entitled to standard PR service such as free snacks on domestic flights. The biggest change is probably the most obvious: no C service on 2P-operated PR flights, so PR probably decided to move mainline to routes where C can reasonably be filled.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 31):
2: Will passengers be able to connect TAG-MNL-HKG, but not TAC-MNL-HKG for example?

The PR/2P codeshare agreement is continuing and is not affected. This arrangement was already possible even before Project Winter was announced.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 31):
3: And do PAL really belive that they can fill the extra five flights to CEB with their high fares? The only reason APX could fill these five flights is that they were competitive to the other LCCs...

With hourly service to CEB, I presume fares will go down in due time now that there are more flights down there. At times even 5J is more expensive than PR/2P!

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 31):
4: What will PAL/APX do with these 3-4 aircraft now being freed up when APX are also awaiting delivery of seven more A320 during 2012/2013?

I am not sure of this, but I presume PR can use some of those planes to boost service to existing cities within its network, and/or to launch new destinations which will accept new flights from Philippine carriers. (Essentially, that excludes Europe, the United States, South Korea and Japan.)

[Edited 2012-10-09 03:20:48]

User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

During the twelve months ending may this year, MNL handled 31,048,025 passengers, up by 1,5 million in five months after handling 29,5 million during 2011.

Starting November 15, Malaysia Airlines will boost it's KUL-MNL operations by adding four weekly services upon its existing 21 weekly ones.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 32):

Okay, thanks alot, that helped. Seems like fundamental restructure.
I just find it unfortunate that they will cut the equivalent of twelve daily flights. Surprised to see that ILO will only see a total of five daily flighs (down from eight), beeing the most trafficated airport in the country after MNL, CEB and DVO.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5020 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 17):
The order is now confirmed on Airbus' website.....

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ine-airlines-orders-10-more-a330s/

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) has placed a firm order with Airbus for an additional 10 A330-300 widebody aircraft. The latest purchase agreement follows a major order from the airline in August for 44 single aisle A321s and 10 A330s under the carrier’s fleet modernisation programme.

For its latest order the airline has selected the 240 tonne high gross weight version of the A330, offering extra range capability. This will enable the airline to operate the aircraft non-stop from Manila to any destination in the Asia-Pacific region, as well as to the Middle East and as far as Honolulu in the US."

Did Philippine Airlines already chosen an engine for it's new A330-300s?


User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 34):
Did Philippine Airlines already chosen an engine for it's new A330-300s?

Neither PR nor the engine OEMs have made any formal announcement. However, AW&ST ascribed to industry sources this bit of information.....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_08_29_2012_p0-490593.xml

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL), a longtime General Electric customer, will switch to Pratt & Whitney (P&W) and Rolls-Royce (R-R) engines for its recently ordered Airbus fleets.

[.....]

These sources also say the airline has opted for P&W’s Geared Turbofan (GTF) for the 10 A321NEOs also included in the new order and R-R Trent 700s for 10 A330s-300s."



Far as I can tell, only the Rollers muster enough thrust for the 240T HGW version to make the range of PR's farthest envisaged routes at full capacity, for their recently ordered A333s. Please correct me if I'm wrong.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Two important schedule changes that have come to my attention:

First, MH is increasing flight frequencies to MNL. From 21x weekly, KUL-MNL will become 25x weekly with the addition of an evening flight ex-KUL.

The second one seems to be bigger. As part of Project Winter, PR is increasing flight frequencies to CGK. From the current daily (3x direct, 4x via SIN), service will become 11x weekly, with the direct MNL-CGK flight becoming daily, and MNL-SIN-CGK staying at 4x weekly.

I wonder though: there's enough traffic now to warrant direct MNL-CGK flights? Or is PR trying to get its foot in the door before GA does? (Rumor has it that GA plans to start CGK-MNL.)


User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 31):

Prime leisure destinations were not mentioned so I assume existing TP frequencies to MPH will remain?


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 32):
2P is being rebranded back to PAL Express. The strategy now is that PR mainline will only handle high-yielding domestic and almost all international routes, while 2P will be akin to PR "regional": secondary domestic and international cities in the PR network.

As far as I know, there will be a common livery for both airlines

I'm not too fond of 2P's livery...and find PRX's tail logo disproportionately broad and squat.....

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The "express" title would look better if they'd change the first letter to a proper capital "E" or keep it entirely lower case.

PAL express would've looked good on this Sunriser.....

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.....a pity it was no longer around when travel to Caticlan started booming.



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 425 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

I am aware that PR has applied for slots to DRW being a daily A320 from MNL however these flights will also continue onto BNE twice weekly,MEL twice weekly to supplement the 77W and SYD 3 times weekly to allow a daily flight to SYD with the 77W operating the other 4 flights weekly.

Anyone know anymore????



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 38):
I am aware that PR has applied for slots to DRW being a daily A320 from MNL however these flights will also continue onto BNE twice weekly,MEL twice weekly to supplement the 77W and SYD 3 times weekly to allow a daily flight to SYD with the 77W operating the other 4 flights weekly.

Anyone know anymore????

MNL-DRW-MEL and MNL-DRW-SYD might make sense since it lets MEL have five times weekly service, and SYD have daily service. Australia, if I remember correctly, has become a PR target market in light of Cat II: the 77Ws were first deployed to Australia when they arrived. MNL-DRW-BNE though is interesting, especially since this will be PR's third attempt at Brisbane, and it has only been a few years since they pulled out. Either way, I wonder what Australia has in store.

If PR really wanted to open a new market, they could have done MNL-DRW-AKL though: I know they were looking into serving New Zealand in the past.


User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 39):
If PR really wanted to open a new market, they could have done MNL-DRW-AKL though:

I think this strongly qualifies as opening a new market.....

http://business.inquirer.net/87362/pal-eyes-brazil

Quote:
"While plans to expand operations to the United States have been put on hold, flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has set its sights southward as it makes plans to fly to Latin America’s biggest economy, Brazil.

PAL president Ramon S. Ang over the weekend confirmed that the airline was preparing its application to secure the government’s approval to fly to South America.

[.....]

Last April, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB), in a report to the Department of Transportation and Communications, included Brazil on its list of 10 international growth markets for the local aviation sector.

'Brazil produces more visitors to the Philippines than any other South American country,' CAB said. Brazil is the only South American market on the list, which is topped by South Korea, Japan, China, Thailand and Indonesia."



Now that PR is moving to formalize its envisioned foray into SA, it's interesting to finally see if they plan to launch one-stop westward or eastward flights to get there.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-fra-gru-jed-mnl&DU=nm

I have no idea of potential loads either way, but feel that routing it through FRA, their first European target destination...would make it more viable...for lack of a suitable TPAC stop due to Cat II. PR's newly ordered 240T A333s could technically, also do those sectors with little penalty.

[Edited 2012-10-15 10:14:41]


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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

This unconfirmed blog item talks about PAL's declaration for air services to Saudi Arabia next year.....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...t.de/2012/10/riyadh-were-back.html

Quote:
"After almost two year hiatus, Philippine Airlines (PAL) will return to Saudi Arabia, but this time with brand new aircraft to boot and plenty of new planes to spare.

In a disclosure to the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB), PAL said that it will begin daily flights to Riyadh in Saudi Arabia on March 31, followed by Jeddah in May 19, and Dammam on July 20, all in 2013.

[.....]

The flag carrier also notified CAB that it is continuing its code share relationships with partner airlines for destinations in Dubai and Abu Dhabi in UAE, Manama in Bahrain, and Doha in Qatar."



So, PR intends to return to the "middle kingdom" in a big way...three destinations within a couple of months of each other! And they're maintaining their code sharing arrangements to the Gulf states, rather than go head-to-head with the dominant carriers there. Astute.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 40):
I have no idea of potential loads either way, but feel that routing it through FRA, their first European target destination...would make it more viable...for lack of a suitable TPAC stop due to Cat II.

If MNL-GRU was to be done trans-Pacific, I suggested MEX in the previous thread. Or it could fly to Brazil via Australia, where there are currently no non-stop options.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 41):
So, PR intends to return to the "middle kingdom" in a big way...three destinations within a couple of months of each other! And they're maintaining their code sharing arrangements to the Gulf states, rather than go head-to-head with the dominant carriers there. Astute.

I presume they got to change the bilateral in the process of the air service talks between the Philippines and Saudi Arabia. The aircraft issue, if my memory serves me right, was one of the issues why PR pulled out again, aside from competition and depressed yields.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):
First, MH is increasing flight frequencies to MNL. From 21x weekly, KUL-MNL will become 25x weekly with the addition of an evening flight ex-KUL.
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 33):
Starting November 15, Malaysia Airlines will boost it's KUL-MNL operations by adding four weekly services upon its existing 21 weekly ones.

 
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):

The second one seems to be bigger. As part of Project Winter, PR is increasing flight frequencies to CGK. From the current daily (3x direct, 4x via SIN), service will become 11x weekly, with the direct MNL-CGK flight becoming daily, and MNL-SIN-CGK staying at 4x weekly.

Very good news, I have been waiting for this one. Although surprised to see them keep the CGK tag-on on their SIN flight after making the nonstop CGK daily!

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):
I wonder though: there's enough traffic now to warrant direct MNL-CGK flights? Or is PR trying to get its foot in the door before GA does? (Rumor has it that GA plans to start CGK-MNL.)

I trust we will see GA in MNL within a few years.

The same could be asked (and answered) about a hypothetical VN service to SGN at MNL.
Both PR and 5J fly daily flights each, and with the market growing and especially the entrance of VN into SkyTeam, I also here trust we will see services not too far from now.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 41):
This unconfirmed blog item talks about PAL's declaration for air services to Saudi Arabia next year.....

Sounds like a bold move, yet not too agressive. The demand for (nonstop) seats to the kingdom is huge. I find it interesting too read that they seem to plan daily to all three cities, even DMM.
Outside Saudi, I think KWI and MCT should be their top priorities! Still find it odd to see KU only at six weekly via BKK, and WY non-existent in the market! PR could use this opportunity...

/Alex



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 43):
Outside Saudi, I think KWI and MCT should be their top priorities! Still find it odd to see KU only at six weekly via BKK, and WY non-existent in the market! PR could use this opportunity...

I think PR is leaving both destinations for 2P to slug it out with the locals and 5J.


Meanwhile, on the domestic front...MAS Wings is reported to be eyeing flights to PPS.....

Quote:
"KOTA KINABALU: MASwings Sdn Bhd (MASwings) is aiming to fly to Puerto Princesa, Palawan Island in the Philippines by the first quarter of 2013 after it has successfully taken off to Bandar Seri Begawan of Brunei, Pontianak and Tarakan in Indonesia.

Malaysia Airlines subsidiary MASwings will fly Puerto Princesa in the Philippines from Kota Kinabalu, says its Chief Commercial Officer, Shauqi Ahmad after launching flights to Brunei and Indonesia. It will be the airlines first destination in the Philippines and the route will be flown using ATR 72-500 planes.

The airline also intends to open additional destinations in Zamboanga, Davao and Cebu from Kota Kinabalu and Sandakan after launching flight to Puerto Princesa."


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-puerto-princesa.html#comment-form



It would be nice to see their beautiful ATRs at PPS...especially after the signing of the framework peace accord. However, I think there's at least one A.netter who is skeptical about their commitment.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 44):
MAS Wings is reported to be eyeing flights to PPS.....

One word (or two, depending on how you interpret it): BIMP-EAGA.

BIMP-EAGA has had open skies for a while, and while there has been a boom on flights between Malaysia and Indonesia, Brunei and the Philippines haven't really benefited from it. It's probably market dynamics, but hopefully MASwings will be able to develop the market. The same would also go for AirAsia (which also proposed flights between BWI and DVO and ZAM).

[Edited 2012-10-22 14:45:16]

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 28):
I want the flag carrier in an alliance where it is valued, not where the only value it has is to feed the big airline next door, and where it will benefit at the expense of PR.

It's looking more like going OneWorld's way.....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...2/10/sabre-ticket-to-oneworld.html

Quote:
"Flag Carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has signed a five-year contract with Sabre Airline Solutions to provide electronic ticketing services across its domestic and international network as it prepares itself for migration to Oneworld Alliance.

PAL will upgrade its Passenger Services System this Saturday (Oct 27) with its booking and ticketing service migrating to Sabre. The Sabre Electronic Ticketing Hosting solution will come online on October 28 as the flag carrier shift its direction towards international growth and kick-start its much vaunted Project Winter.

[.....]

PAL will be connected to its future airline partner American Airlines in the United States for domestic connections in the USA. This is not the first time that PAL entered into interline agreements with a US carrier. In 1996 it flew Chicago and New York via interline agreement with American Airlines."



Quoting Akiestar (Reply 42):

If MNL-GRU was to be done trans-Pacific, I suggested MEX in the previous thread. Or it could fly to Brazil via Australia, where there are currently no non-stop options.

How are potential loads at MEX? No nonstop options in Oz could indicate less viable prospects...besides being farther down from the beaten path.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 45):
The same would also go for AirAsia (which also proposed flights between BWI and DVO and ZAM).

Speaking of AirAsia, it appears they're having a repeat of that.....

http://business.inquirer.net/89088/airasia-realigns-local-flights

Quote:
"AirAsia Philippines is realigning several of its flights as the company struggles with slowing demand and volatile fuel prices.

[.....]

However, the company said it would 'rationalize' flights to Davao and Kalibo, and suspend services to Puerto Princesa and Macau.

'We need to build up routes within an infrastructure that supports low-fare services since we are in an industry that is not immune to rising fuel cost and operational challenges,' AirAsia Inc. president and CEO Marianne Hontiveros said in a statement."



While PR is drumming up support on the European front....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...ch-lobby-for-pal-exemption-to.html

Quote:
"One of the pressing issues discussed were the fate of its aviation rating by the European Union (EU), and the desire of Philippine Airlines to fly to Europe next year.

The country is blacklisted by the European Union and has a Category 2 rating from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.

The French said that it will rally support for PAL's eventual return to Europe. The next day, Ayrault met with Ramon Ang briefly at the Hotel Sofitel in Pasay City before the ceremonial signing was held.

'We’re hoping the prime minister can help us lift the EU ban,' Ang said during the signing of the deal with Airbus.

PAL likewise hope that with its recent selection of the Rolls Royce engines to power the new A330 and its new deal with Lufthansa Tecknik for maintenance, UK and Germany would also support the Philippines in its quest to lift EU's ban."



Lastly, a welcome delivery for passengers transiting at NAIA.....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...shuttle-buses-arrived-on-time.html




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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

I am pleased to announce that Philippine Airlines now has a new website! http://www1.philippineairlines.com

(The site is still reportedly in beta: it should replace the current website soon.)


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Jeju Air will launch ICN-CEB starting november 21. This will amazingly be the SIXTH carrier on the route, along with Philippine, Cebu, Zest, Korean and Asiana. Flight will be on a 737-800 operating daily.

Zest has increased their domestic operations from MNL:

CEB from 23 to 37 weekly
DVO 14 to 19 weekly
ILO 2 to 3 daily
PPS 25 to 28 weekly
TAC 14 to 19 weekly

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 47):

Nice, I like it!  
Some things remain the same though, like the seat maps and timetables.



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 38):

Anyone know anymore????

Apparently, this blog does.....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...012/11/pal-expands-down-under.html

Quote:
" Philippine Airlines (PAL) is adding Darwin and re-introduces Brisbane to its growing international network starting December 10 with four flights per week using Airbus 320 aircraft, reports from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) bared yesterday.

PR flight 221 leaves Manila at 22:30 every Monday and Friday arriving Darwin at 04:30 the following day, with departures at 05:30 for Brisbane every Saturday and Tuesday arriving 10:00. For days Sunday and Wednesday PR 221 leaves Manila at 21:10 arriving Darwin at 03:10 with departure at 4:10 for Melbourne every Monday and Thursday arriving at 10:00."


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 39):
If PR really wanted to open a new market, they could have done MNL-DRW-AKL though: I know they were looking into serving New Zealand in the past.

With the A320...they may just do that.....

Quote:
"The flag carrier is also working on a twice a week service to New Zealand via Australia starting next year."


Meanwhile, a rather lengthy analysis of SMC's strategy for PR and 2P from CAPA.....

http://www.philippineairspace.blogsp...12/11/the-san-miguel-strategy.html

.....interesting read.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

DOT approved Cebu Air applications to serve Guam, Honolulu, Los Angeles, Saipan and San Francisco.

Cebu''s application however only allows it to conduct operations using aircraft wet-leased from qualified U.S. or Cat-I nation operators.

Lets see now if Cebu follows through with its plans to commence service initially to Guam 3x weekly during April 2013.


Previous discussion regarding the application can be found at:
Cebu Pacific Applies For US Service (by LAXintl Oct 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

On a side note, is there anytime line or any word on which airlines are moving to NAIA 3 in the near future? I also remember reading they were planning on updating NAIA 1. Anyone have the latest on that?


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User currently offlinecovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Evidently, San Miguel Corp., one of the richest companies in the PI and part owner of PR is looking to buy a stake in a carrier in the Cayman Islands (KX) in order to buy airplanes on their AOC and wet lease them back to PR in effort to circumvent the Philippines Cat II status. Interesting, as it appears as if they went to great lengths to find such an obscure deal in the Cayman Islands.

http://www.sanmiguel.com.ph/wp-conte...cation-Cayman-Airways-11.14.12.pdf
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...an-airways-for-possible-investment



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 50):
Cebu''s application however only allows it to conduct operations using aircraft wet-leased from qualified U.S. or Cat-I nation operators.
Quoting covert (Reply 52):
Evidently, San Miguel Corp., one of the richest companies in the PI and part owner of PR is looking to buy a stake in a carrier in the Cayman Islands (KX) in order to buy airplanes on their AOC and wet lease them back to PR in effort to circumvent the Philippines Cat II status.

At first blush I thought it was 5J who would lease IT's A345s from AJW but realized they needed a Cat-1 AOC.

Then I remembered PR's play for Cayman and suspected it was them. A345s would obviate the YVR stop to YYZ... and allow nonstop JFK-MNL and ORD-MNL.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl+-+ord+%2F+jfk+%2F+yyz&MS=wls&DU=nm

It's just a stopgap and the acquisition and wet-lease arrangement could be low enough that PR might actually break even. But I still wonder if enough would brave the very long flight.

However, posts in the A345 sale thread point to other carriers...and as LAXintl said in another...the authorities are not clueless.







[Edited 2012-11-16 08:12:03]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting covert (Reply 52):
Evidently, San Miguel Corp., one of the richest companies in the PI and part owner of PR is looking to buy a stake in a carrier in the Cayman Islands (KX)

Yes. We have a thread on the topic also

Philippine Airlines Eyes Stake In Cayman Airways (by airlineaddict Nov 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Cebu Pacific is launching MNL-DPS twice weekly on March 16 next year:

http://www.cebupacificair.com/pages/PressReleases.aspx?pid=833

Traffic on Manila-Indonesia will look like tihs:

PR daily MNL-CGK, plus 3 weekly MNL-SIN-CGK
5J 4 weekly MNL-CGK
PR 2 weekly MNL-DPS
5J 2 weekly MNL-DPS

/Alex



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Philippine Airlines has finally (and I mean finally) introduced online check-in for domestic flights, with international flights to follow at a later date. Finally!

http://www1.philippineairlines.com/flights/flights/web-check/


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