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United Set To Resume CLE To BNA/OKC  
User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Looks like UA is resuming CLE to BNA/OKC!!

Great news for United fans in CLE!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...outes-cleveland-hub-203400313.html

Hopefully more to follow!

-m

  

56 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1370 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

They are also ending CLE-GRB.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Nice! Good for UA and BNA/OKC. They better hope that nothing does wrong for the 25 minutes turnaround at BNA.

User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):

They generally have 25 minute turns in every out station. This is nothing new.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

SWEET!!! I flew OKC-CLE-CMH back in 2008 and it was insanely more convenient than any of the other connecting hubs I've had to go through to get to central/western Ohio. Too bad I'm moving out of the area before the route's reinstated.

User currently offlineRiverCityFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Awesome news for CLE, and United!

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4563 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

I'm actually not shocked by this with the growing natural gas plays in NE Ohio. It is only natural that OKC gets linked with some of the largest natural gas companies based here (Devon, Chesapeake, Continental, etc).

User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Well this will be buzzkill for those that think UA will open YNG to serve to gas patch.....

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting flight152 (Reply 3):
They generally have 25 minute turns in every out station. This is nothing new.

UA really needs to cut down on the bridging over outstations with the regional flights, but both CLEBNA flights come from and go to other places in BNA. I - and most people I know - book away from the BNAIAH flights that originate in EWR because they are so apt to have absurd delays.



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User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

??? so you wouldnt fly this flight? All airlines do bridging over outstations. This isnt just a United thing. very weird response to what is good news and growth in two stations.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
UA really needs to cut down on the bridging over outstations with the regional flights, but both CLEBNA flights come from and go to other places in BNA. I - and most people I know - book away from the BNAIAH flights that originate in EWR because they are so apt to have absurd delays.


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 524 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

Excellent. I never understood why BNA was cut.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 9):
so you wouldnt fly this flight?

Probably not. Southwest's schedule is better, especially southbound, and I don't have to deal with all the nonsense that has gone on since the merger.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 9):
This isnt just a United thing.

Some airlines - AA in particular - have made an effort to cut down on bridging at outstations.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

oh well, your choice. I'm sure plenty of people will fly it.

Enjoy WN

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Probably not. Southwest's schedule is better, especially southbound, and I don't have to deal with all the nonsense that has gone on since the merger.

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 9):
This isnt just a United thing.

Some airlines - AA in particular - have made an effort to cut down on bridging at outstations.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 12):
I'm sure plenty of people will fly it.

I had assumed that when they cut it in the first place that they were having trouble competing with WN. Has something changed?



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
They are also ending CLE-GRB.

So much for that parade.



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User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 292 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

The only things I can think of are that Southwest's fares are no longer as cheap as they use to be. In addition, the Cleveland business community has made several very public commitments to support UA in order to keep the hub. those two things I'd imagine would have something to do with it. Plus, Southwest has reduced CLE in the last few years (no more STL/ PHX/ LAS, seasonal only to MCO) while UA/ CO has strengthened in key markets. They're building share and mass in CLE while Southwest has reduced.

Bottom line - different fare and competitive environment than 4-5 years ago.

Time will tell if this works.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):

I had assumed that when they cut it in the first place that they were having trouble competing with WN. Has something changed?


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):
Well this will be buzzkill for those that think UA will open YNG to serve to gas patch.....

That's right ... rub it in.   

By DoT data CLE-OKC O&D traffic has doubled in the last two years from about 30 to 60 pax a day, which doesn't seem enough for a flight. (Maybe Cheaspeake Energy is important enough to UA to demand and get the flight.) Over the same period CLE-BNA O&D has gone from about 230 to 300 a day, while WN has reduced service by one daily flight.

Relying on hub feed for a few more pax just might make these flights work. Still, it looks like UA is adding these flights mostly because of Cleveland the city, not CLE the hub.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4563 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 16):
By DoT data CLE-OKC O&D traffic has doubled in the last two years from about 30 to 60 pax a day, which doesn't seem enough for a flight. (Maybe Cheaspeake Energy is important enough to UA to demand and get the flight.)

If they fill enough seats on the flight with premium fares that make it profitable, why not? People get too hung up on DOT O&D data around here that they write off routes if numbers aren't at a certain level.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 17):

I agree, ouboy; but DOT data are all we have to work with. The airlines rarely tell us anything.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
They are also ending CLE-GRB.

This is a no brainer since UA has service to ORD from both GRB and ATW already, and most of the places that can be served via CLE can be easily served through ORD.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 19):
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1):
They are also ending CLE-GRB.

This is a no brainer since UA has service to ORD from both GRB and ATW already, and most of the places that can be served via CLE can be easily served through ORD.

MetJet, operated by Sun Country, is starting Florida service from Green Bay in October. That is what is causing UA's cuts in GRB. The CLE flights had nice numbers; but yields to Florida, a big percentage of the traffic, will be killed by Sun Country.

[Edited 2012-09-21 08:26:45]


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Oh, I thougt they were closing CLE?..why would they add new routes?...where are the CLE haters?


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 6):
I'm actually not shocked by this with the growing natural gas
Quoting cle757 (Reply 21):

Oh, I thought they were closing CLE?..why would they add new routes?...where are the CLE haters?

I don't think I qualify as a hater, but this does seem inconsistent with the recent trend. I have no idea what is behind it, but I guess we need to see if it continues. I'm not aware of a case where an airline has hacked a hub this much and then built it back up again. I guess anything is possible, but it is more likely just a blip.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4563 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
I don't think I qualify as a hater

Ehhh...you rarely come across as a positive individual to most people.  
Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
I guess anything is possible, but it is more likely just a blip.

The OKC route makes business sense to feed the natural gas interests in that part of Ohio. It also gives OKC a bit more access to the Northeast business markets that are pretty limited right now. We'll see how long this lasts though. I almost think there is a bigger market to the plays near MOT than CLE, but I don't see anyone starting a nonstop OKC-MOT anytime soon.   That is better handled by the existing near daily charters going up there.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
The OKC route makes business sense to feed the natural gas interests in that part of Ohio.

Perhaps, but going up against WN with RJs on BNA seems odd. I'm sure there is a reason. I just wonder if it is profit driven or some kind of operational decision.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
Ehhh...you rarely come across as a positive individual to most people.

I think that depends upon who/what is on your fanboy list. Everybody on A.net seems to have at least one aviation company on it.

BTW, show me all the threads entitled "XYZ Airlines Continues Doing Fine Job in All Aspects". LOL

[Edited 2012-09-21 09:29:10]

25 ouboy79 : Yeah the BNA route just doesn't make sense to go up against WN unless they have a new corporate contract. I guess they could be trying to divert conn
26 Cubsrule : It makes it a lot easier to fly BNA-PKB. Surely, that's important to someone . . . anyone?
27 AWACSooner : I wish WN would start OKC-BNA...
28 joeman : Well cle757, lets go thru the typical litany just to get it out of the way: 1) It's just a matter of time 2) All traffic can be easily routed thru IA
29 Kcrwflyer : They have cut how many routes and frequencies? Adding back two RJ flights isn't anything to boast about. Nobody hates CLE, but the writing is all ove
30 Joeljack : This is interesting to me. If I remember when CO added something like 10-15 CLE routes about 5 years ago, the CLE-OMA route was running one of the ful
31 ouboy79 : You and me both. It would help with getting east on WN. ATL would be nice too. Consider OKC is directly linked to Chesapeake being one of the primary
32 Post contains images LOWS : Great Planes will be starting it soon...
33 ouboy79 : LOL Oh the concept was decent, execution was terrible. That whole thing could have turned out so much better. On a side note, I think the charters up
34 Beardown91737 : Ironic. Without CLE, GRB users will need to connect in Minneapolis, Detroit, or Chicago.
35 LOWS : I assume these are OKC-MOT charters? For Chesapeake et. al?
36 slcdeltarumd11 : Its smart for them to do this. A hub adds alot of value to the city and jobs
37 N766UA : I don't think UA is closing CLE, not yet, but nor do I think they're "building it back up." UA seems to be attempting to "right-size" CLE, and when t
38 ouboy79 : The Bakken operation in North Dakota is mostly going to be by Continental Resources which is also an OKC based company that charters up there.
39 usflyer msp : UA is not cutting GRB-CLE because of a fly-by-night public charter that has yet to actually take flight. That is a silly assertation, IMHO.
40 MasseyBrown : For now, I think CLE's survival depends on the availability of 50-seat RJ's. Once they're gone, it will be decision time again. Whether MetJet succee
41 yeogeo : Where's the irony in that? yeo
42 usflyer msp : Because GRB-CLE-Florida traffic is a miniscule potion of the traffic. The flights don't even connect with each other! The GRB flights arrive CLE at 1
43 N766UA : Haha that's what I'm wondering. ORD having equal or better connecting opportunities and the need to pick another hub without a CLE flight are facts o
44 Beardown91737 : Lions and Vikings and Bears.. oh my.
45 MasseyBrown : During the peak winter scheduless, the GRB flights would connect in CLE to RSW and FLL in the noon bank and MCO, RSW, and TPA in the 3:45 bank. Bigge
46 CIDFlyer : not to shift focus from OKC/BNA....but I'm a little surprised GRB has flights to only 3 hubs. Is it because ATW is so close by? Would DL ever re-start
47 ouboy79 : Maybe start a new thread? You'll probably get more responses since no one is going to go to an OKC/BNA thread to talk about GRB. Just a thought?
48 fun2fly : I would have thought UA would have taken a good look at MEM with the closure of DL's CLE>MEM. DL had 2-3x daily in the past that end in Q1 I believ
49 LOWS : Is it true that UA is putting more mainline into OKC?
50 STT757 : In October OKC gets the following from UA: DEN 3 Q400, 1 CR-7, 1 A320 IAD 1 CR-7 IAH 7 ERJ-145, 1 CRJ, 2 CR-7 EWR 1 ERJ-145 ORD 1 ERJ-145, 4 CR-7 SFO
51 Cubsrule : BNA sent out a press release on the new UA flight (along with AA and WN adds in other markets) today. One interesting, though probably somewhat mislea
52 GentFromAlaska : If Express Jet flies Embraer? aircraft; Embraer has significant maintenance Ops at BNA. The new CLE-BNA route may have something to with cycling airc
53 Cubsrule : There are gobs of XE flights to other hubs. Today, there are 5 to IAH, 5 to EWR, 3 to IAD, 5 to ORD and 1 to DEN. CRJ variants are pretty rare for UA
54 Jetmatt777 : Yes, daily A320 service to IAH will enter the schedule in November. Will remain 10x (9x mix of RJ's and 1 mainline). Also at the end of the summer, U
55 apodino : A couple of things...one I find it funny that a lot of the FL traffic would be routed through CLE when ORD is just as easy, and two...Allegiant was a
56 MasseyBrown : or ... the flights might have been canceled for fear of Asian carp migrations. Too bad some of the old CO experts (insiders?) no longer post. They us
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