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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4182 times:

If it's been covered my apologies in advance. I just returned from vacation and used TPA, FLL and MIA some questions. On each airport's web site I couldn't find any answers.

1. When was the TPA airside concourse C built? This is where we now have our gates FL and WN
For several years we FL were in Concourse A before we joined WN how old is this concourse?

2. FLL-How old are the four seperate buildings and their concourses? We again joined WN. FL uses C and WN is B. Which is newer Concourse B/C or concourse E (where we FL used to be located?) Will any of these terminals get a face lift in the near future? The massive B-C concourses and ticketing seem on the dark side and are starting to look dated?
(my opinion)
Our old stomping ground at FLL concourse E

3. And last but not least MIA. Any plans for Concourse G and the other "Central Terminal" concourses scheduled for a makeover? G is sort of funky and a throwback to the late 50's early 60's MIA originally known as concourse 1. I have not been in what is now F since the days of National Airlines and have never stepped foot inside Concourse E.
http://airchive.com/galleries/19782.jpg
Concourse G


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

TPA-Airside A opened in 1995, Airside C opened in 2005.

By the way, WN was originally @ Airside A. FL was originally @ the demolished Airside D



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
1. When was the TPA airside concourse C built? This is where we now have our gates FL and WN

The original opened April 15, 1971. The second opened April 19, 2005



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User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
FLL-How old are the four seperate buildings and their concourses? We again joined WN. FL uses C and WN is B. Which is newer Concourse B/C or concourse E (where we FL used to be located?) Will any of these terminals get a face lift in the near future? The massive B-C concourses and ticketing seem on the dark side and are starting to look dated?

Terminal 1, the B and C gates where WN is, is the newest Terminal it opened around 2003 I think. I feel that the others terminals are all around the same age maybe T2 where Delta is, is the oldest but I am not really sure. I remember the days when T-2 was busy with Delta's focus city at FLL. Most of FLL is showing its age and Terminal 4 where NK is and the only international terminal really needs a makeover it is way too small for the amount of traffic it gets. But WN/FL terminal is by far the newest terminal. I think it is a bit small though. You think it loooks outdated?

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
And last but not least MIA. Any plans for Concourse G and the other "Central Terminal" concourses scheduled for a makeover? G is sort of funky and a throwback to the late 50's early 60's MIA originally known as concourse 1. I have not been in what is now F since the days of National Airlines and have never stepped foot inside Concourse E.

Well I was in F a few years ago and in the F/E Immigration facility a few months ago. Thankfully that facility is now closed but F looks the same as I remember it when it was part of the small United Hub in the late 90s early 00s. I think there still might be some old United signs in F. As for the whole central terminal there will be plans but I think years away. Assuming AA is still here at MIA and continues to expand the North Terminal wont be enough, AA still does use concourse E along with AB, IB and BA so I expect something to be done with concourse E sooner than the other areas as AA needs it. There is not much activity in G anymore honestly they should just shut it down and move the few airlines over to F.

There is the rumor that as part of the central terminal they want to make a large mall.



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

FLL oldest building is Terminal 4 / Concourse H that opened in 1983.
Terminals 3 and 2 were opened between 1984 and 1986 ans they wera all part of Project 80's.
Back then they were labled Terminals A,B,C, Concourses D, E, F and H.
When the current Treminal 1 Concourse C was opened in 2001 all the terminals were givine Numbers 1,2,3,4.
Concourse B opened in 2003.

Treminal 4 is in the early process of doing a 50/50 replacement. Half of the new terminal will be bulit tied into the old Term 4 and open, then the other half will be removed to make room for the second half.

Terminal 3 is in the process of a 3 part make over. Concorse F is done Concorse E is starting. The 3rd part will be the front side where security will be moved to the center of the building so there will be one checkpoint instead of two.

There are long term plans to build a concorse A that would have 5-6 gates.

Here is a good site to see some of the history of FLL and other florida airports.

http://golldiecat.tripod.com/index.html



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
But WN/FL terminal is by far the newest terminal. I think it is a bit small though. You think it loooks outdated?

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Our BWI A/B concourse opened as is only a few years later (2005) and A looks much brighter, newer and more spotter friendly. ITo me the dark blue grey motif reminds me of the 80's/90's



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
F looks the same as I remember it when it was part of the small United Hub in the late 90s early 00s. I think there still might be some old United signs in F.

There was an old UA gate board sitting at Gate F8 under about three years' of dust (UA had long since moved to Concourse J), which I've since restored and put on display in my home. I think the only other remainder is a sign that indicates UA codeshare flight numbers (I recall ALM and Cayman Airways in particular) and which gates in the concourse to go to. It's right above the escalators where the concourse opens up.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 4):
Terminal 3 is in the process of a 3 part make over. Concorse F is done Concorse E is starting. The 3rd part will be the front side where security will be moved to the center of the building so there will be one checkpoint instead of two.

Does that mean the shopping area currently behind the ticket counters will only be accessible to ticketed passengers? As an employee there, I appreciated the dining options available in Terminal 3 without having to go through security or the ramp.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
There is not much activity in G anymore honestly they should just shut it down and move the few airlines over to F.

UA uses exclusively G, despite the signage curbside being at H. They have many daily EWR flights, several IAH/ORD flights, a couple of IAD flights, and some seasonal stuff to ANC and the West Coast. BahamasAir and World Atlantic also use G. The airport's website says TransAero do as well but I don't recall ever seeing them there in the many times I used G (I fly exclusively United) this year.

I don't recall seeing any other airlines in G, but I don't think it's as underused as people think. I just can't believe how long the walk is from G to Baggage Claim (especially if using gate G19 as my flights tended to do). G11 was a bit better, but I was blown away by the lack of moving sidewalks and the fact that they use the claim belts under Pier H. The first time I went and had to rent a car was atrocious. Walking to the claim belt, waiting for bags, walking to the People Mover, waiting for it, getting my car. It was just an enormous hassle. While it's nice that MetroRail now connects to the airport, I would never use it if I lived there. It takes just as long to walk from the new MetroRail station to your gate as it would to take a cab to the airport, even in traffic.

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User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 5):
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Our BWI A/B concourse opened as is only a few years later (2005) and A looks much brighter, newer and more spotter friendly. ITo me the dark blue grey motif reminds me of the 80's/90's


I know what you mean. Trust me I am not fan of FLL but I think Terminal 1 looks the newest but I have not flown out of FLL in over 3 years now. Going to fly out of there in a few weeks on AA.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 6):
There was an old UA gate board sitting at Gate F8 under about three years' of dust (UA had long since moved to Concourse J), which I've since restored and put on display in my home.


That is awesome.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
They have many daily EWR flights,


True, I was not thinking CO + UA. I still feel that F is large enough for everyone but I guess with the long hauls and the long turnarounds maybe its not. G is an embarrassment. Cool that is a time machine but most passengers do not want a time machine terminal.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
It takes just as long to walk from the new MetroRail station to your gate as it would to take a cab to the airport, even in traffic.


If there is no traffic that is certainly true but Metrorail is $2 no matter where you get off a cab can range from $18-$40.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
The airport's website says Transaero


Pretty sure Transaero is in F.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
G11 was a bit better, but I was blown away by the lack of moving sidewalks and the fact that they use the claim belts under Pier H.

That's because Continental used to fly out of Concourse H, so Carousel 6 is the nearest one to the concourse exit. With the merger, UA/CO have temporarily moved to Concourse G, but will eventually be back in J with the rest of the Star Alliance carriers.

Concourse J has moving walkways, and after the 1990s rebuild Concourse H also had them on the third floor until it was closed off for the new sterile circulation corridors. Concourse G never had them (especially since it was much shorter when originally built), but right now it's just a place where airlines go when there isn't any space anywhere else, so the airport's in no hurry to upgrade the facilities.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
True, I was not thinking CO + UA. I still feel that F is large enough for everyone but I guess with the long hauls and the long turnarounds maybe its not. G is an embarrassment. Cool that is a time machine but most passengers do not want a time machine terminal.

Also, the UA/CO offices are still in Concourse H, so they want to keep the gates as close as they can. As a passenger, I prefer Concourse G to F because even though it lacks just about every frill imaginable, there are never any lines at security, and since UA is basically the only airline there (with the exception of two or three UP flights a day), it's not as hectic as some of the other concourses.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
Pretty sure Transaero is in F.

I believe Transaero flights arrive at F and then are towed to G for departure. Concourse G has 2 or 3 gates that can handle 747s, but it's the only concourse at the airport that cannot accept international arrivals.

[Edited 2012-09-21 18:18:26]

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
True, I was not thinking CO + UA. I still feel that F is large enough for everyone but I guess with the long hauls and the long turnarounds maybe its not. G is an embarrassment. Cool that is a time machine but most passengers do not want a time machine terminal.

There loss, my gain. Last time I flew through MIA G concourse was just a little over two years ago when we still had a couple flights to ATL and BWI (FL). There was an abandoned gate G-7. Straight out of the Twilight Zone era. complete with fixed "mini-me" jet way which were staples at MIA back in the day at least in what were then known as Concourses 1, 2, and 3 now H (before demolition and rebuild during the 90's), G and F (which housed Pan Am, National and Northeast). Right next to the entrance to that mini me jetway was a staircase which led to a small holding area with a door to the ramp for when those classic prop liners were still hauling passengers. At least at MIA and for that matter most airports the classic birds with props including the Electra never used jet ways but hard stand boarding air stairs. you can go on my Facebook page and see this in my photo section.

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
I know what you mean. Trust me I am not fan of FLL but I think Terminal 1 looks the newest but I have not flown out of FLL in over 3 years now. Going to fly out of there in a few weeks on AA.

You will see for yourself. Even on airside, this terminal looks like it's got at least 15 years on it. Not rundown but just dingy and a sterile kind of old looking. If you are going to go retro, especially in the Sunshine state then go with pastels and funky 50's molding like MIA had and still has a bit in the lower gate portion of G concourse. BTW, where does the originial G (old concourse 2) end and the addition begin and when were the higher gates added?

[Edited 2012-09-21 20:33:48]


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 10):
You will see for yourself. Even on airside, this terminal looks like it's got at least 15 years on it. Not rundown but just dingy and a sterile kind of old looking. If you are going to go retro, especially in the Sunshine state then go with pastels and funky 50's molding like MIA had and still has a bit in the lower gate portion of G concourse. BTW, where does the originial G (old concourse 2) end and the addition begin and when were the higher gates added?

I don't think it looks too bad. They really just need better carpets (the current carpets just look dirty even when they are not) and to remove the ugly, tacky, and outdated pictures of south Florida homes/neighborhoods that line the ceiling around the gate areas.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

MIA's terminal G is a *dump* . Their check-in desk and staff are the worst. Next time I fly to S Florida on UA,its going to be to FLL.


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 10):
Last time I flew through MIA G concourse was just a little over two years ago when we still had a couple flights to ATL and BWI (FL). There was an abandoned gate G-7. Straight out of the Twilight Zone era. complete with fixed "mini-me" jet way which were staples at MIA back in the day at least in what were then known as Concourses 1, 2, and 3 now H (before demolition and rebuild during the 90's), G and F (which housed Pan Am, National and Northeast). Right next to the entrance to that mini me jetway was a staircase which led to a small holding area with a door to the ramp for when those classic prop liners were still hauling passengers.

The loading bridge on Gate G7 has been out of service for years, and considering the low volume of flights Concourse G sees, the aviation department never saw the need to replace it. I'm glad they didn't, because it's a wonderful blast from the past!

I think there were similar bridges on Gates G3 and G5, but they've since been removed and they are now ground load only gates. Gate G4 is the only gate in the concourse that still sees passengers regularly using the stairs to the ramp. It's used by Bahamasair's Dash 8 flights. At least half of the gates on the concourse also have the staircases, though, and then you also have Gate G1 formerly used by Gulfstream International Airlines (now Silver Airways).


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 13):
The loading bridge on Gate G7 has been out of service for years, and considering the low volume of flights Concourse G sees, the aviation department never saw the need to replace it. I'm glad they didn't, because it's a wonderful blast from the past!


I noticed the rusted leveler wheel when I was there. I too agree that it's a cool blast from the past. Living in the Miami area, do you know if the section of Concourse G with the higher gates was an extension to the original pier? We (FL) used to use G-2 from at least 2002 to 2007 or 2008 then moving to G-14. I believe G-2 was a Valu Jet gate back in the day.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 12):
MIA's terminal G is a *dump*

That's part of it's charm. It's the original 1959 era MIA I knew from my youth. The airport could easily spruce it up using Miami pastels and ad photos of Miami/Miami Beach architecture till the day G gets the extreme airport concourse makeover or is demolished and re-built. BTW, was Concourse H actually demolished and rebuilt in the 90's or was it just redone using it's original structure? I remember the original H concourse lower gates with the actual sectioned off passenger holding lounges/gates originally used by DL then Piedmont and US. I sort of like the old school piers I guess it's my age showing.

Can't believe I forgot I saw an HI 767 when taxiing to our gate upon arrival at FLL last Sunday.

[Edited 2012-09-22 20:57:22]

[Edited 2012-09-22 20:58:45]

[Edited 2012-09-22 20:59:57]


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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):

The HI 767 was a Raiders charter. I got a couple shots of it on the ramp.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 15):
The HI 767 was a Raiders charter. I got a couple shots of it on the ramp.

Cool! Wow, the Raiders chartering an HI 767! Makes sense since Pro-Player stadium though at the tip of Miami-Dade county is actually much closer to FLL then MIA.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
I noticed the rusted leveler wheel when I was there. I too agree that it's a cool blast from the past. Living in the Miami area, do you know if the section of Concourse G with the higher gates was an extension to the original pier? We (FL) used to use G-2 from at least 2002 to 2007 or 2008 then moving to G-14. I believe G-2 was a Valu Jet gate back in the day.

I want to say that it was, since the concourse gets noticeably wider about halfway down. I'd have to look up some of the details.

Back when AirTran JetConnect was a thing, I remember seeing that CRJ parked at G2. I think the ill-fated flight 592 departed from G2 back in 1996.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 14):
Can't believe I forgot I saw an HI 767 when taxiing to our gate upon arrival at FLL last Sunday

I flew into FLL on Sunday and saw it, too. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was doing there. Did you also notice the USAF C-130 hurricane hunter parked on the north side of the field?


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 10):
the Electra never used jet ways

Never say "never"! I recall when EA toyed around with the idea of using a jet-gate with the L188's. It looked pretty goofy to see one using a jet-gate that had the on-board stairs unfolded just enough to lie-flat on the floor of the jet-gate! Got those Aeroproducts awfully close!

It has been too long and I no longer recall which building housed DL's gates in MIA. I recall they did a makeover at one point and the upstairs looked somewhat modern with the downstairs looking as I last recalled it in the 1960's! I can still envision that building with -7's, -8's, and 880's parked there.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 15):

What threw me off was the fact this HI charter was actually parked at a gate with the jet way attached. I know at BWI all the team charters including our O's and Ravens are in the nether world (cargo area). I've been here over 10 years and can count the times on 1 hand I've seen one of these parked team charters.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 18):

I meant the Electra never used jetways at MIA. But, I remember as a kid my dad took us to DCA and I remember the venerable turbo props using the jet ways. I believe this was also done at JFK back in the day.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 18):
It has been too long and I no longer recall which building housed DL's gates in MIA. I recall they did a makeover at one point and the upstairs looked somewhat modern with the downstairs looking as I last recalled it in the 1960's! I can still envision that building with -7's, -8's, and 880's parked there.

When the current skeleton of MIA opened in 1959 there was no concourse H then known as Concourse 1. So, DL along with the disaster prone Capital, NW, TWA and a host of others. Concourse H aka 1 opened several years later around 1962 or 1963 and it had the seperate gold holding lounges partitioned off as rooms complete with the fixed mini-me jetways. Concourse H got the extreme airport makeover during the Clinton administration (1990's) I didn't realize that the lower level with the old time hard stand holding gates survived the glitzy 1990's redo. I know G still has these areas though abandoned.



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