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Aer Lingus En Route To Star Alliance?  
User currently offlinepolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15145 times:

With BMI out of the picture and Aer Lingus code-sharing with United Airlines and, now, Air Canada, is Aer Lingus en route to Star Alliance?

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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15021 times:

Would be a good move if that happened, open up the competition again on the Ireland / UK bit, hasn't the UA bit tho come to and end?

If Ryanair get hold of Aer Lingus can't see much going on . But overall Star need the UK/Ireland feed back.

Every time you email 'Star' they just come back and say keep and eye on the media page on there website!



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 1):
Would be a good move if that happened, open up the competition again on the Ireland / UK bit, hasn't the UA bit tho come to and end?

The UA/EI operation between MAD and IAD is coming to an end alright however they still have their codeshare flights which seem to be going fine. However I have noticed the EY codeshare appearing now.

DUB seems to have gone from being a OW hub in the Noughties to a Star hub now with a large operation including UA, Swiss, SAS, LH, AC etc with busy schedules into Dublin and only AF/WX and DL holding a Skyteam presence and BA/AA/AY and IB making some effort for OW.

As much as Id love to see EI return to OW I suppose Star would make the most sense....assuming MOL keeps his greasy fingers off them!



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14953 times:

With the announcement that AC and EI were going to code-share,AC added,they would also be moving to T2 early next year. Read into that for what it's worth.

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14890 times:

Didn't they leave oneworld because it didn't fit with their low cost business model? Joining Star Alliance doesn't seem to fit that business model anymore than oneworld would have.

User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14745 times:

Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14066 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance.

Indeed there maybe some changes in partners but they need to keep in with a few as thats what works best for them .


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14034 times:

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
Aer Lingus is alliance-neutral. They will work with those airlines that suit them, regardless of alliance

Seems to work pretty well for AS, best of luck to Aer Lingus vs Ryanair, I hope the shamrock will long live.  



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13732 times:

They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13323 times:
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Aer Lingus may be part of Ryannair soon.

User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):

They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

To be fair, now that BMI is gone from *A the *A terminal will need additional carriers to fill it up. So it could be a reason to help BA consolidate back down to only 2 terminals rather than the 3+ they operate from now.

I am not reading too much into it.



Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
The UA/EI operation between MAD and IAD is coming to an end

This was a huge issue for the UA pilots contract that the company is trying to negotiate. They needed to kill this arrangement to get something done with the pilots.

Again, not reading anything into this on the EI side.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
They are moving to the LHR terminal for STAR, not the one for non aligned carriers, that's interesting.

Didn't I read that EI will move to T2 and yet continue using the current 80-90 gates, which will be connected to T2 instead of T1 for a period of time? Those gates and the fact that EI has a lounge there is why they are moving to T2 as they will be connected to that.

Also, these gates are in a great location - almost every time the aircraft arriving from Dublin are on stand in about 3 minutes, which suits the high frequency schedule between Ireland and Heathrow.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11):
Didn't I read that EI will move to T2 and yet continue using the current 80-90 gates, which will be connected to T2 instead of T1 for a period of time? Those gates and the fact that EI has a lounge there is why they are moving to T2 as they will be connected to that.

Also, these gates are in a great location - almost every time the aircraft arriving from Dublin are on stand in about 3 minutes, which suits the high frequency schedule between Ireland and Heathrow.

It's great for landing on 27R but the infrastructure is terrible and will be demolished. It's coming down with the rest of Terminal 1. Having used Aer Lingus again recently, it can be a massive nuisance to get from the lounge to the gate if any aircraft arrives. The need to keep arriving and departing CTA passengers seperate now means you have to wait until the arrival has deplaned before they open the doors again to let you process to your gate. It is no longer fit for purpose and frankly gets far too hot in summer and cold in winter.


User currently onlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

I don't really see what EI has to bring to Star...

While EI has reasonable coverage of destinations in Europe and got the UK well covered (but so does AF, KL and LH too), they can't only really offer onward connections to anywhere else other than the USA and Canada...

Airlines like UA, US and AC use cities like FRA and MUC for their European Hubs to offer passengers onward connections in Europe with Lufthansa, which has a far larger European Network. To a lessor extent you also have airlines likes Swiss, Brussels, Scandinavian and LOT to feed into.

The vast majority of connecting passengers through DUB are from the UK regional airports and most other European routes are flown by people, flying point to point.

Passengers flying from the likes of CDG, FRA, MAD, FCO, etc, are going to choose to get on a direct flight from these respected airports to the USA as opposed to flying through Dublin... Its not like DUB flies to destinations in the USA that are not already covered from other European cities.

You also have to question why the like of Lufthansa and Swiss would want to feed passengers on to EI flights to the USA, when they can fly them across the pond on their own metal.

Before anyone mentions that DUB boasts being able to clear US Immigrations and Customs this side of the pond, I think this has very little value as opposed to being able to get on a direct flight.

EI needs UA far more than UA need EI! As they are reliant upon them to provide their loyal customers with onward connections in the USA. Even more now, that they don't fly to the west coast.

I maybe wrong, but from what I have heard, a good percentage of passengers on the DUB/SNN routes to JFK have a lot of connecting passengers flying onwards with Jet Blue too, so it could be arguable if they could fly the current 3x daily routes to JFK if it wasn't for Jet Blue offering connections.

EI also does not offer any business product on short haul, and this is the market that the Alliances are trying to catch, which is the most profitable.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):

EI flew the 3 daily to JFK long before the Jetblue deal!

And you would be VERY surprised how many are connecting from large European cities through DUB - after all, people still connect on BA at LHR coming from CDG or FRA for example!



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2982 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5538 times:
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What does the Aer Lingus premium cabin product look like? About 9 years ago I had Baileys as a client and flew them a few times and it was really awful, convenient, but awful. And at the time, you'd better like green interiors or put your green eyeshades on fast!


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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5462 times:
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EI revamped their J class cabin (and Y class too) in 2007-2009. Colours are more muted.

Not sure if there are any A330 J class trip reports recently added to A.Net


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Might as well. A couple of German boards are claiming A3 is on its way out for *A- apparently they will leave in Jan 2013. Maybe its a replacement?

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

I doubt Star would invite EI unless EI changes their TATL pricing structure. Their competitors hate EI's cheap oneway TATL flights..

User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Quoting ElPistolero (Reply 17):
Might as well. A couple of German boards are claiming A3 is on its way out for *A- apparently they will leave in Jan 2013. Maybe its a replacement?

Why would A3 leave Star? They are a small regional carrier that benefits enormously from feed at Star hubs across Europe.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5314 times:

I hope EI joins Star! Seeing a green shamrock tail in the lineup at IAH's terminal D would be awesome!    But I know that has a snowballs chance in Hell of happening. A UA flight to DUB or SNN from IAH, has at least an icebergs chance in Hell, however... Lol.

Yes, I know these will never happen, but I can dream.



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User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 19):

Your guess is as good as mine.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1447 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 3):
AC added,they would also be moving to T2 early next year.

You do realise thats T2 LHR the report is commenting on, not T2 DUB!



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User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 22):

AC are also moving to T2 Dublin next year



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 22):
You do realise thats T2 LHR the report is commenting on, not T2 DUB!

Yes,I do. Moving to T2 at LHR must be a given as I imagine T1 will cease to exist at some point. Had no idea DUB had more than one terminal. I'll put Ireland on my bucket list. One shouldn't read too much into the recent interline/code-sharing agreement,other than I hope it should be beneficial to both airlines. Having said that,it would be nice to see EI one day operating year-round to Canada with AC as a partner.


25 RyanairGuru : I thought that was to do with the fact they are flying RoI-UK and UK domestic and T3/T4 can only handle international arrivals. I think this is more
26 RP TPA : When does LHR's T2 open? The websites I've read indicate 2014, so how can AC/EI move there next year?
27 cslusarc : In all likelihood, AC will be moving to Terminal 1 @ LHR with SK, swapping for BA's ex-BD gates.
28 9252fly : It does make sense that in order to possibly move to T1 there would need to be a trade. Thought it was AC and EI intent to move to the new T2 once op
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