Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
RW F/A Puts Loaded Gun Thru TSA, Officer Fires It  
User currently offlinenzblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Flight Attendant Tries to Bring Loaded Gun Through Airport Security

Excerpt:

"A Republic Airlines flight attendant was detained and then charged with disorderly conduct after she attempted to pass through security at the Philadelphia International Airport with a loaded .38 revolver in her purse, triggering an incident in which police accidentally discharged the weapon while securing it, authorities said."

[Edited 2012-09-23 20:37:41]


It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together.
50 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Quoting nzblue (Thread starter):
triggering an incident in which police accidentally discharged the weapon

seriously? Someone needs walking papers.


User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

First of all, the F/A was a cretin for trying to get the revolver through and she'll probably plead memory loss as to why it was in her purse. The cop was a first class idiot. The best way would have been to put plasticuffs through the trigger guard and around the hammer, tighten it, and then take it down to the station for unloading. Is that model a single or double action. Either way, it takes quite a bit of pressure to turn the cylinder.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

This FA got extremely lucky to not be handcuffed in front of everyone and escorted to jail like Amber Robillard did in IND in 2010. Article below, fair use:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/f...-with-gun-arrested-at-indy-airport



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9190 times:

The police ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGED a firearm!?!?

This country is now ~OFFICIALLY~ going to hell in a hand basket.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

I hope it discharged into a clearing barrel.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
The police ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGED a firearm!?!?

I'd like to see more details, but from what I've seen, there was an abundance of stupidity that morning.


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5261 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
I hope it discharged into a clearing barrel.

She (the cop) discharged it into the wall, according to one report; the Philadelphia Inquirer says the "ground". She broke the rule that if you are not familiar with the weapon, you are to call a boss who will clear it. So she's off to desk duty and retraining.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/lo...t_brought_to_airport_goes_off.html

She doesn't know how to clear a revolver?!  Wow!


PS Ironic name for the f/a's choice of weapon. Also replace "weight" with "head" to get appropriate description of the two people involved.

PPS Photo of type of gun involved: http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm...nd-wesson-637-38-special-airweight

[Edited 2012-09-24 08:07:19]

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5261 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):

This FA got extremely lucky to not be handcuffed in front of everyone and escorted to jail like Amber Robillard did in IND in 2010

The saving grace for the current f/a appears to be that unlike Ms. Robillard, the current f/a has a carry permit. So the charge is in the nature of bringing a licensed weapon into a secure area rather than carrying an unlicensed weapon.


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8461 times:

Most S&W Airweights sold are hammerless (442 & 642). The cop was an idiot if she doesn't know how to open a cylinder on a revolver, but it doesn't surprise me. Most cops aren't gun people.

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 7):
PPS Photo of type of gun involved: http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm...eight

Is the FA a NYPD detective from 1976?

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):


The saving grace for the current f/a appears to be that unlike Ms. Robillard, the current f/a has a carry permit.

In what State?



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3625 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8364 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting johns624 (Reply 9):
Most cops aren't gun people


I think a better wording would have been "most TSA employees are not gun people"...


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 11):
I think a better wording would have been "most TSA employees are not gun people"...

Did you even read the article? The gun was discharged by a airport police officer. TSA had nothing to do with it.


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5261 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
In what State?

According to the article, she apparently lives in Pennsylvania and reported to work at PHL from home at 6am with the gun still in her purse. Her permit is from Pennsylvania. She is actually lucky that the TSA didn't miss it at PHL and catch it in some other state where her permit is not valid.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

American gun law has always been beyond me but how does someone (particularly a FA) forget that they have a device as lethal as that in their bag?

Simply terrifying!



My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3625 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7859 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting johns624 (Reply 12):
Did you even read the article? The gun was discharged by a airport police officer


some how missed that... however I object to the generic "cops"


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 1):

seriously? Someone needs walking papers.

Do you fire someone anytime something happens, without considering the possibility that they may not have been at fault?

Nothing a bit of retraining won't handle even if she did screw up.

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 2):
The best way would have been to put plasticuffs through the trigger guard and around the hammer, tighten it, and then take it down to the station for unloading.

If you don't know how to unload a gun, you have no business messing with the hammer or going anywhere near the trigger. Sit and wait until someone who knows how to make it safe shows up.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently onlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6524 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):

It's quite easy to forget things.

My sister played fast pitch softball when she was young and all throughout High School. She was so good, that she got a full ride to college for softball and has since been inducted into the hall of fame and still holds all the pitching records there... But anyways, part of her training/ warm ups was using a hammer to swing around as a weight. She kept it in her training backpack.

Her senior year, we were going to Florida for the spring break Rebel Games which was where they started their season at and she forgot the hammer was in her bag. That bag was a carry on and when she went through security it was found... Lucky for her, it was spring 2001 and not 2002 and it was just taken by security. But things do happen.



Commercial Pilot- SEL, MEL, Instrument
User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Do you fire someone anytime something happens, without considering the possibility that they may not have been at fault?

Tell you what, you go discharge a gun in a airport and see what you get. Its not retraining I'm quite certain.


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5794 times:

If you cannot clear a common handgun, you should not be a police officer.

User currently offlineaussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5640 times:

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 19):
If you cannot clear a common handgun, you should not be a police officer.

Is this tought in police training though (other than their own eqipped handpiece of course). But yes what a cockup of events that day !!


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5562 times:

If you bring a 'common' handgun through security by accident, you shouldn't be an airline employee.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineusair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 827 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

When I got hired for Southwest I went to the airport early in the morning to go to Chicago for my ID badge. I left with a knife in my pocket that morning and forget to take it out my pocket when leaving the car. Luckily I remembered before I got to security and trashed it in the bathroom. Only reason I remembered was because I felt something heavy in my back pocket. So things like this do happen. But in terms of the gun not knowing how to unload a revolver? That's ridiculous.

User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 21):
If you bring a 'common' handgun through security by accident, you shouldn't be an airline employee.

I meant a common type of handgun, not that it's common to bring them to the airport.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
the current f/a has a carry permit

It makes no difference, carry permit or not, she should have been hauled off to jail. She got lucky, REAL lucky. But she should have been cuffed and escorted to jail.

The rules remain, never bring a gun through the airport security checkpoint.

[Edited 2012-09-24 20:19:50]


A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
25 Post contains images Maverick623 : Considering I'm not a police officer, I would likely wind up in jail if I wasn't shot at first. That being said, I find it funny that you say you are
26 AirframeAS : But she KNEW the rules. I'm not buying the "oh, I forgot it was in my bag" excuse. She should have known it was in her bag, she's responsible for it.
27 Maverick623 : That's quite a leap. Why exactly should she be "hauled off to jail"? To make a point? You really should learn what that phrase means. It does NOT mea
28 AirframeAS : I mentioned Amber Robillard in the thread, and posted the story about what appended to her. The law enforcement in IND did the correct thing. The law
29 bestwestern : Rather the pathological fear of guns in a metal tube accidentally discharged
30 jrodATC : The F/A should have her permit revoked for a period of time and pay a fine. Jail should depend on the rules of the facility, if posted, etc. For examp
31 AirframeAS : When you check in a weapon, the CSR is responsible to ensure that the gun is unloaded and no round is in the chamber, then the customer has to declar
32 Post contains links mcdu : This is an overreaction by those that are calling for the FA to be fired. She had a CWP and it was an oversight. Her oversight was much less endangeri
33 Post contains images AirframeAS : DEN has the exact same rule. You WILL go to jail if you attempt to bring a firearm through the security checkpoint. This is also posted in on all ent
34 Post contains images LTC8K6 : Every gun is loaded. It's the first rule. I'm confident I can clear any common handgun or rifle, and a few common light infantry weapons. If I weren'
35 wjcandee : Again...it's a revolver, and likely one with a double-action-only hammer. To accidently-fire this weapon when trying to clear it is an amazing feat of
36 LTC8K6 : Modern revolvers have a "hammer block" or transfer bar safety system. I don't believe they will fire unless the trigger itself is pulled. The hammer b
37 Post contains images wjcandee : I wasn't clear enough; I just meant that it mystified me what she could screw up (i.e. press down on cylinder release latch, push cylinder open, remov
38 Post contains links mcdu : The FA had a CWP and failed to remember her gun. It seems even FAM's can't keep track of their weapons and they carry them at all times! http://www.c
39 AirframeAS : One mo' time.... It does not matter if she had a CCW or not. That is a moot point. I'm not buying the "she failed to remember" argument. If you don't
40 Maverick623 : You say you "will" go to jail, and yet this flight attendant didn't (at least not yet). Also, I work with someone that left a handgun in her purse wh
41 AirframeAS : She got lucky that she didn't get hauled off to jail in front of everyone like she deserves to. At DEN, on the doors leading into Jeppesen terminal,
42 mcdu : Based on your desire to see this FA in jail (not sure what the fascination you have with jail) for mistaking my bringing a loaded weapon to the airpo
43 AirframeAS : The difference between the 261 crash and bringing a gun through security are two totally different things, not the same level of crime. So, your comp
44 KaiGywer : In general yes. And most handguns (either semi auto or revolver) operate fairly similar Actually the CSR does not touch any weapon. The passenger ver
45 AirframeAS : Lets agree to disagree because you're WRONG!
46 N766UA : How the F#%& do you accidentally discharge a REVOLVER?!
47 AirframeAS : I was wondering the same thing, bro. You're not alone in this confusion!
48 mcdu : Just to clear up confusion. In the case of the FA you believe she should get jail time for her oversight. In the case of mechanic oversight leading t
49 KaiGywer : Since you didn't actually quote the content of my post....how about you point where you think I'm WRONG...?
50 Post contains images Maverick623 : Dude, knock it off. I've been able to put up with your irrational need to see people thrown in jail, but now you're just making stuff up to suit your
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
TSA Has Done It Again - Basically Check Everything posted Thu Aug 10 2006 15:14:14 by Bnatraveler
TSA Mistakes Insulin Pump For Gun At LAX posted Sat Jan 28 2012 10:11:34 by DTWLAX
TSA In IAH Miss Loaded Gun In Carry-on Bag posted Fri Dec 17 2010 10:16:39 by chuchoteur
Gun Running To Manchester ...TSA Does What?! posted Thu Jul 29 2010 10:44:37 by FlyPIJets
Ok, So What Is It Really Like To Work For The TSA? posted Sat Nov 14 2009 15:13:09 by KLM672
TSA At It Again Or Media Exaggeration? posted Mon Jul 14 2008 16:45:18 by Phoenix9
TSA Does It Again! posted Mon Mar 17 2008 23:04:48 by CBPhoto
IND TSA Stops Man W/ Pellet Gun, B.P.Vest posted Mon Dec 4 2006 20:45:39 by Chase
Houston Police Officer Demands Apology From TSA posted Thu Oct 12 2006 18:19:04 by FlyingTexan
Father Of The 747 Says It Puts A380 In The Shade posted Thu Jul 20 2006 09:49:12 by Leelaw