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Northwest's Future Fleet  
User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

What do you think Northwest's future fleet will consist of? Also do you think that DTW will continue to be its biggest hub in the future (afterall this title used to belong to MSP)?

I think it will consist of

B744
B752
B753
A333
A332 (northwest will realize that widebodies do need to be operated domestically for passenger preference)
A320
A346
A319
And the RJs it currently has



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User currently offlineAIRNZ_747-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

I agree with you except for the A332 and the A346. I don't think that NW will order THOSE jets. They should order the 777-200 domestic in addition to the A330-300. It'll be like Virgin Atlantic, when they have both the A340-600 and the 777-300ER in their fleet.

User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1322 times:



User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

I would love to see a NW A340 try to muster up the power to take off in -10 degress from DTW on a frigid December night. Oh boy I wonder what the outcome of that will be. Can the A340 take off in the cold temperatures of the NORTHWEST??

User currently offlineAIRNZ_747-800 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

I don't think it can!

User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

The lowest fare and good service take the cake for passengers. Look at the 757s crossing the ATlantic in Continental's colors. People don't mind the narrow bodies, as long as they are treated good, comfortable seat, and get a good fare. I don't forsee the A330-200 either cause it is a long range aircraft, not a short range high capacity plane.

User currently offlineAlaskaMVP From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Isn't the real challenge taking off in hot weather? I'm sure the A340 can't really take off in anything but perfect conditions, even with all 4 engines, in fact I heard Airbus will only be able to certify it for landings, not takeoffs, so you probably won't see it take off anywhere. It'll just come in for landing, then a 747 will tow it to cruise altitude for the trip back Smile

BTW, in all seriousness from a Boeing snob, that is one bitchin' picture, it's too bad the full length of the wings and engines were clipped out, but even so it looks awesome. I hope I get to ride one someday.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

A330-340

I respectfully take issue with your idea that passengers 'prefer' widebodies, and I certainly disagree that that would be a driving force behind an airline choosing them. Northwest will buy widebodies because of MORE bodies.....more butts on the cushions on high means more dollars in the bank!

When a traveller is in his or her seat, does it matter how far the walls are away from you? The seat size hasn't changed! Granted there might be a certain issue for claustrophobics, but I don't think getting stuck in the middle of a center aisle, four or more seats away from the outside would help.....

In this day anyway, seat pitch and price are two things US travelers concern themselves with. The only major revolution that the flying public's fancy has had in aircraft design remains the switch from prop to jet, whether it was a DC-7 to a 707 or a Brasilia to an RJ.


User currently offlineNW-ELITE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

I was in DTW when it was that temperature. I had the exact problem you mentioned!

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1945 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Hi:

The Northwest future fllet will be:

Airbus A319-200
Airbus A320-200 (for replace the Boeing 727s).
Airbus A330-300 (for replace the DC-10-40).
Boeing 717-200 (for replace the DC-9s).
Boeing 747-400 (for complement the current 747-400 fleet and replace the 747-200)
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 757-300 (complement the Boeing 757-200 in domestic high density routes).

RJ_Delta


User currently offlineAndrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Hi,

I agree with RJ_Delta, except B717-200 as replacement for DC-9. I think that NW can buy A318s.

Correct me if I am wrong, but A318 does belong to A320 family, where A319 and A320 are. Therefore there is no need for extra pilot training. Less money would be spend, so the airline can invest them on something else.

Just my $0.02

With the best regards,

Andrej


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

The air is heavier in cold air... thus the engines like it BETTER. Aircraft really like to get up and go when it is cold... even the "horrid" A340.

In Warm air is less dense, this is where you see heavy degredations in engine/climb performance.


I find that narrowbodies are just as comfortable as widebodies, if not more comfortable in coach. First class is the only place where there is the big difference, and that comes with a tremendous cost.


Right now, I have heard that the 777 has the lead for the 747-200 replacement..but i could be wrong. It is really close between the A346/5 and the 773/2. Who knows what the DC-9 replacement will be.. Id like to see the 717..but those DC-9's are going to outlive the A320's they are such reliable planes.



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

For commonality purposes Northwest Should have purchased the boeing 777 family in one large order as a replacement for the 747-200s and DC-10s (both domestic AND International). Anyway since they have ordered the A330-300 I would expect them to purchase the A340-600 as a 747-200 replacement since it has cockpit commonality with the A320, A319, and A330

The Boeing 777 in NWA's Livery I doubt it


Ahh, But the things that could have been...
Imagine domestic/international service on boeings most prised aircraft!

P.S. The A346 has all new Rolls-Royce Engines which should provide an ample performance boost when compared the underpowered CFM-56-5C4s of the earlier Airbus A340 models


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

I still think NW is seriously looking at the A340-600 as the 747-200 replacement.

The A346 will be primarily used on flights to Asia from SFO, SEA, MSP and DTW, plus possibly the MSP-AMS-DEL route.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

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Hell yeah, why do you think they are making that gigantic 1.2 Billion Ed McNamara Midfield Terminal at Detroit??? For Northwest's huge hub operations. I predict Northwest getting even BIGGER AND BIGGER at DTW too. I have been hearing talk about moving several of Northwest's corporate offices to Detroit also from MSP.



User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

When will the -9s go away, after the 757 and Airbuses have been replaced. That's what NWA crews tell me. They will be in the fleet for another 10 years and probably another 5 before a replacement is even looked at. The last fleet plan I looked at went to 2005 or 6, can't remember, and it had only 5 or so less -9s then today. NWA keeps great care of them and they have a lot of life left.

User currently offlineWorldVoyager From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Up here in the Great White North, Air Canada's A340s have no trouble taking off in the middle of our horrible winters from frigid cities such as Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Also remember that the air at cruising altitude is extremely cold!

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

When will NW begin using their new A330s on the transatlantic routes?


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

In response to "Stretch 8"'s question:

I think around late 2002/2003


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

They start taking delivers in 2002 for the A330.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineSpk From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

It's kinda silly to speculate that A340 will have problem taking off. Airbus wouldn't be so dumb to release a plane that cannot take off in either warm/cold weather!

Get real. The aircraft may be a slow climber but it'll work just fine.


User currently offlineAirbus_330_340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

Does it really matter from a passenger's point of view how long it takes for an airplane to climb. It must matter to some (perhaps they can't wait to use their laptop or CD player, hmm...)

User currently offlineTravellin'man From United States of America, joined May 2001, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Andrej-

The A318 may not be the best replacement for the DC-9's because it may be too heavy for the DC-9's short haul routes, for which the 717 is instead a good choice from an ops pov (though the fleet commonality probably makes a good case for the A318 anyway-who knows?!); it's more like a 737-600, and may be too much plane for them.

Airbus A330-340

I agree climb rate doesn't matter to me as a passenger. I have to say that the A340 (I've been on the 342 twice and the 343 four times) being underpowered makes for the smooooooothest takeoffs I've ever had. Yeah the engines look like hairdryers, but hey, retro is in!



It is not enough to be rude; one must also be incorrect.
User currently offlinePtica2000 From Slovenia, joined Nov 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1050 times:

Never 717. Who is going to put so much money in crew training if not necessairy? A318 is perfect solution and it is not to heavy.

Maybe we can expect even A346 for their replacement of B742.

A340 is not underpowered. As you probably know, the FMC calculates the best climb rate for a plane and in A340 it calculates it the way it looks like it is climbing slowly.

No airplane is underpowered (maybe some Russian)!


User currently offlineBoeingfan From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1049 times:

Why replace the DC 9's? Just keep refurbishing them until they become a 717? 30 - 40 years down the runway. Most passengers are not aware of what type of aircraft they are on.

It is all about the dollar, cost, revenue, and expense. If it works do not fix it. They are smart in MSP.

A319's may come to dominate the NW fleet. They have range, and pax apeal.

Why replace the 747 200, just refurbish them like the '9's? Have not heard a concern about fatique in a long time. A twin wide body will win the replacement when it happens. Do not look for aircraft orders soon out of N. America.

The era of the twin engine airliner is upon us, due to the economics. NW will keep the 747 200 flying for awhile.

What about the wonderful A380? Fuel will be cheap in the future?







25 FBWless : The B742's are gas guzzlers compared to 777's and 346's. Nowadays fuel is so expensive that the airlines will benefit from buying new fuel efficient a
26 CV640 : It may cost more to fuel a 747 or DC-9, but remember these are the biggest moeny makers in NWA's fleet cause they are paid for. Yes a 77, A340, 318, e
27 Airbus_330_340 : But I would imagine that NW woes off some business travelers due to the lack of a roomy modern fleet.
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