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Cathay Pacific New Regional Business Class  
User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 75 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8656 times:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...ass?CX_LANGUAGE=en&CX_COUNTRY=INTL

Apparently CX has launched a new regional business class. But by the looks of it, it is quite a disappointment. It just looks like a Premium Economy Seat and leagues behind SQ's regional business class.

What are your opinions to it>


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User currently offline9VSWR From Singapore, joined Jun 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

It looks pretty slick, but seems to be a reclining cradle seat in a shell as opposed to the 'new' lie-flat regional business class products from SQ and TG, which is essentially not that different from many newer generation Premium Economy products? It doesn't seem like a big step up from their current regional business product.

The press release doesn't mention the extent to which the seat can recline, so that remains to be seen.

[Edited 2012-09-24 07:19:25]

User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Yikes that looks really weak, especially compared to SQ's new offering and the fact that TG is pretty much refitting their fleet to have all long haul config (save for the older A330s). The photo itself makes the cabin look cramped, and it resembles AF's Premium Economy cabin kind of. Really does look like a flimsy recliner with a shell tacked on to the back of it. It actually also vaguely resembles their old J, the one from two seat generations ago!

I'd obviously have to wait and see, but first impressions are quite dismal.



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

I think considering where these aircraft will be deployed, the seats would be fine. They won't really be doing any flights more than about 4-5 hours long, unlike Thai and SQ who both have regional flights up to Japan which must be in the 8hour range in winter. Everyone always wants more than what they pay for in their class.
Of course, how good they really are will remain to be seen and CX do not always make the right decisions when it comes to cabin interiors. I suppose from CX's point of view, even the now very old regional business class draws in the passengers fairly well, and we get good loads and good yields relative to this tough environment so they were never going to offer something groundbreaking as they simply did not need to. In any business you try to keep your costs down and when you need to invest in a new product, you try to spend the minimal amount to get the desired effect which is of course bring in the passengers. CX has always been lucky in this respect that they don't need to go to the extremes that other carriers do in order to fill the planes. Spend a little bit and the pax flow in. Other carriers may need to spend a lot of money for that 'wow' factor in order to have the same effect with pax.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
They won't really be doing any flights more than about 4-5 hours long

That is an interesting point. I have to agree that for flights of less than 5 hours, it looks quite good. A lie-flat seat in the fashion of SQ's new regional class might be too much for sectors of up to this duration.

The article states these seats will be fitted on the 777-200, 777-300, and A330-300. I suppose this means A-model or non-ER 777s. Is that right?



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7730 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
and A330-300

Interesting considering CX uses A330's on some of is Australian services. I'd have thought they would need sleeper seats considering those services can be around the 8 hour mark.


User currently offline9VSWR From Singapore, joined Jun 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 5):

Australian services are operated by A330s fitted with CX's longhaul/new longhaul Business Class products.


User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7629 times:

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 6):
Australian services are operated by A330s fitted with CX's longhaul/new longhaul Business Class products.

I thought Brisbane / Cairns uses the regional product A330?


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4690 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
They won't really be doing any flights more than about 4-5 hours long, unlike Thai and SQ who both have regional flights up to Japan which must be in the 8hour range in winter.

True, SQ also use their 330s with the "regional" product to Australia, and SIN-BNE is also around the 8 hour mark. While this product does put CX at a competitive disadvantage (especially on the important SIN-HKG route) I guess that if they aren't loosing too many passengers at the moment then it isn't worth doing anything too drastic. After all, they have pretty much all HK's corporate contracts locked up and its them who will be filling J to NRT and SIN.



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User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Those seats really look like Premium Economy seats, though we willl need to experience this new product to judge.
One of CX's strengths is that they have a very strong customer and corporate base that will continue flying whatever product CX decides to launch..


User currently offlinecoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

It will be fun flying to Japan and India in these seats!

User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

Cairns and Brisbane feature CX's full international product. The new 3 class product with premium economy will be on the Cairns route from 28 October. CX classify Australia as a long haul market, do they won't be placing the regional product on those routes.


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7230 times:

It's pretty unfair to compare this seat to the likes of SQ. As pointed out, SQ's 'regional' seat is used in a much wider range of destinations outside Asia when compared to CX (Australia, Middle East, potentially even secondary cities in Europe?). CX's product is strictly for Asia...

I think it looks good enough. More recline, more pitch, more width, new IFE screens, hard shell to protect personal space etc. The only thing that concerns me is the fact that the hard shell appears to go all the way to the floor, which could massively restrict foot room (because it will no longer be possible to stretch out under the seat in front)...

Does anybody know what will happen to Y when this new product is fitted? Will there be new seats? If there is a new IFE system then I imagine Y will be getting an overhaul as well...


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting coolfish1103 (Reply 10):
It will be fun flying to Japan and India in these seats!


India will be progressively served by a longhaul product to compete with Jet and Air India.
For Japan, certain sectors already feature the longhaul product and for the other secondary destinations there is little or no competition.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8642 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 1):
which is essentially not that different from many newer generation Premium Economy products?

The long haul CX Premium Economy seat is used from what I understand by other carriers as a domestic "First Class" seat.

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 1):
It doesn't seem like a big step up from their current regional business product.

I would have to agree. It is a seat, it reclines, and you have IFE. It is more comfortable, and the IFE and connectivity is better. What else do you really want on a HKG-TPE/BKK/SIN/SGN/CGK etc ?

The changes are a seat pitch increase, seat width increase, seat recline increase, leg rest recline increase, better headrest, PTV size increase, AVOD, larger tables, multi-port iPhone/iPod/iPad connector, USB/PC Power.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
A lie-flat seat in the fashion of SQ's new regional class might be too much for sectors of up to this duration.

I thought the SQ seat on the A330s was an almost lie-flat, i.e. still inclined around 10 degrees, on comparable 7-8 hr flights CX offers a 100% flat seat.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):

The article states these seats will be fitted on the 777-200, 777-300, and A330-300. I suppose this means A-model or non-ER 777s. Is that right?

The regional 777 and A330 fleets.

Quoting 9VSWR (Reply 6):

Australian services are operated by A330s fitted with CX's longhaul/new longhaul Business Class products.

Correct

Quoting aquariusHKG (Reply 7):
I thought Brisbane / Cairns uses the regional product A330?

Not for a long time.



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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 14):
Quoting zeke (Reply 14):
The long haul CX Premium Economy seat is used from what I understand by other carriers as a domestic "First Class" seat.

I'm sure (hopefully) CX would not want to associate with airlines that would consider this product as domestic 'First Class'.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):

And I would think that passengers would not be that pleased to find out that there is a huge discrepancy between the Business Class product they are getting on shorthaul flights (e.g.: SIN) where 77W and 747 also serve the route.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
In any business you try to keep your costs down and when you need to invest in a new product, you try to spend the minimal amount to get the desired effect which is of course bring in the passengers.

I would agree to that. That is the most ideal situation. But what I'm concerned is that what would the FF think if they fly both CX longhaul and shorthaul and find that the Regional Business Class looks like longhaul PE?


What about early shorthaul flights? I presume that pax would prefer a short nap during the flight?

Quoting AF185 (Reply 9):
Quoting AF185 (Reply 9):
One of CX's strengths is that they have a very strong customer and corporate base that will continue flying whatever product CX decides to launch.

I agree with you. The reason I brought up this post is to have a critical viewpoint of the new product. I'm not anti CX but sometimes you have to be critical of something in order to improve things. I would like to apologise in advance if my posts seem to offend any CX fans/employees.



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8642 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 15):
I'm sure (hopefully) CX would not want to associate with airlines that would consider this product as domestic 'First Class'.

As a suggestion you may want look at what is available as domestic only configured aircraft in the USA, what they call first class, most would call premium economy, and the service standards are well below an Asian carriers business class level. This regional business class seat is very comfortable, and similar to what one will find in Europe, Australia, and elsewhere in Asia for shorter haul flights and narrow bodies, with better before and after flight experience, IFE, catering, and service.

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 15):
The reason I brought up this post is to have a critical viewpoint of the new product. I'm not anti CX but sometimes you have to be critical of something in order to improve things. I would like to apologise in advance if my posts seem to offend any CX fans/employees.

I thought it would be worth correcting the statement in your first post, "leagues behind SQ's regional business class".

This is the SQ regional business class found on their older 777s used regionally.



CX has similar if not the same seats installed on the older 777-200/300s and A330, they are the ones being replaced with the upgraded product. There is more to this upgrade than what has been announced, only what is cosmetically visible to passengers has been talked about so far.



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User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
As a suggestion you may want look at what is available as domestic only configured aircraft in the USA, what they call first class

I'm sure CX would want to be classified above most N.American airlines and in par with the top tier Asian Airlines.

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
I thought it would be worth correcting the statement in your first post, "leagues behind SQ's regional business class".

As I have said, I am being critical about the CX product. There are 2 reasons why people would be critical of things. 1) they have nothing better to do OR 2) They really want their opinion to be heard and genuinely wants the company to do well. As a HK-er I would like to think that I'm the latter as CX is one of the few 'treasures', in which I mean, a globally recognised brand.

My concerns are:

1) FF would think that the Regional Business Class looks like PE
2) I'm sure I would not be a happy bunny if the route served by A/C which has the Regional Business Class also has B744/B77W/A343. This would definitely be a HUGE step down in terms of hard product.

I'm sure that you know more about the new product and may not be at a position to disclose anything, but lets just discuss what we know at the moment (I.e.: the official CX page on the product).

Maybe I should make myself clear again, I'm not anti-CX.

[Edited 2012-09-25 06:13:57]


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 15):
And I would think that passengers would not be that pleased to find out that there is a huge discrepancy between the Business Class product they are getting on shorthaul flights (e.g.: SIN) where 77W and 747 also serve the route.

It's not been an issue that has driven passengers away before, so I don't see why it should start to now.

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 15):
But what I'm concerned is that what would the FF think if they fly both CX longhaul and shorthaul and find that the Regional Business Class looks like longhaul PE?

What about early shorthaul flights? I presume that pax would prefer a short nap during the flight?

I think you're over-thinking this. A frequent flyer knows to expect a lesser product when on a shorter regional flight than what they find on a 16 hour flight to the US. Fully flat beds on 2-3 hour hops is overkill.

In any case, I think the seats are different enough that these seats still appear to be quite different to the W seats. More width for starters (2-2-2 on the A330 compared to 2-3-2 in W) and considerably more pitch. The hard shell will make the whole thing look and feel very different, as do small things like the orange insets, which reflect the long haul J product...

Not to mention that the service will be a J standard.


User currently offlineecbomberman From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2011, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
Quoting zeke (Reply 16):
This is the SQ regional business class found on their older 777s used regionally

I don't want to start a fight......... But the word OLDER says it all. This product may be REVOLUTIONARY during the 2000's but we're in the 2010's and one would certainly expect something better.

The main problem is that the CX New Regional Business Class looks too similar to the CX Premium Economy minus the minor cosmetic enhancements.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
Not to mention that the service will be a J standard.

DEFINITELY!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 19):
The main problem is that the CX New Regional Business Class looks too similar to the CX Premium Economy minus the minor cosmetic enhancements.

Very few passengers will judge the product on how it looks cosmetically. They're more interested in seat comfort and service, where this product will be far superior to longhaul W.


User currently offlinecelestar From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

I have to say I love the older business class regional seat. The one that has a deep shade of green. Yes, they don't look modern, the video screen is unpleasant to use (it hides between the seat), but boy, what a recline! I almost fall into sleep on these seat before take off. To me, the modern designed seat does not recline enough, not wide enough. My only complaint on these old seat is that the tray table is too low for my big overweight body!

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 15):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):

And I would think that passengers would not be that pleased to find out that there is a huge discrepancy between the Business Class product they are getting on shorthaul flights (e.g.: SIN) where 77W and 747 also serve the route.

This is no different to SQ who fly regional 777s, 77Ws, 330s and the A380 on the HKG-SIN route all with very different products.
Besides, if they are FFs, then they will be familiar with the configurations offered and would choose their flights accordingly.

...and quite frankly I don't think the PEY looks the same as this new regional business class at all apart from the fact they are both green.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8642 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting ecbomberman (Reply 19):
I don't want to start a fight......... But the word OLDER says it all. This product may be REVOLUTIONARY during the 2000's but we're in the 2010's and one would certainly expect something better.

This seat is only going on the regional fleet, it will not be going onto our newer A330s or 777s used for medium to long haul. The new aircraft with premium economy are in long haul configuration, they have the lie flat business seats.

The seat is equivalent or better as the new seats installed on domestic/regional 787s with Japanese carriers. You will find it is better than the Qantas domestic, Lufthansa domestic, Emirates regional, Thai domestic, Malaysian regional, and Singapore regional products.

Setguru has a bit of comparison on different short haul first class products, this might help you understand where this product is placed on a global comparison.

http://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_first_class.php



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User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1626 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
I think considering where these aircraft will be deployed, the seats would be fine. They won't really be doing any flights more than about 4-5 hours long, unlike Thai and SQ who both have regional flights up to Japan which must be in the 8hour range in winter.

Out of curiosity what will be the longest flight the new regional config will serve? Do all of CX's Middle East flights get the long haul config?

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
CX has always been lucky in this respect that they don't need to go to the extremes that other carriers do in order to fill the planes. Spend a little bit and the pax flow in. Other carriers may need to spend a lot of money for that 'wow' factor in order to have the same effect with pax.

True, but its a slippery slope once you start lagging behind your direct competitors and falling back on your existing reputation. I sort of think this is what happened with the herringbone disaster, which has now been rectified (and then some) by the awesome new long haul biz seat. In my opinion, CX's new Biz offering is better than SQ's on the hardware and crew side, but for me the major, major, let down is catering. SQ wins here.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 5):
Interesting considering CX uses A330's on some of is Australian services. I'd have thought they would need sleeper seats considering those services can be around the 8 hour mark.

I think at OZ flights at CX get the long haul config.



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25 zeke : Too hard to say, non-stop probably something like HKG-BOM, around 5 hours. No, as a number of them are not direct. The direct flights do normally get
26 CX Flyboy : Sad how people always forget to mention safety record when comparing airlines. I would quite frankly happily take worse service if it meant a good sa
27 Post contains images TreeHillRavens : Regional 772 with new Regional Business Class that comes with a seat pitch of 60", just to be clear Despite that SQ sell 2 types of Business Class se
28 sq_ek_freak : I mean at least in my mind, as a more than lay informed person but without true insider knowledge of either operation, it would seem both SQ and CX a
29 RyanairGuru : Out of interest what is it that you are referring to here? SQ have 1(?) hull loss in 40 years, which is hardly enough to mark them as an unsafe airli
30 Post contains links zeke : That is not their regional business class, that is what SQ calls their medium haul business class. They do not have their regional business class on
31 Post contains links TreeHillRavens : Not quite so. It is not only called medium-haul business class, it is also marketed as their regional business class. See below: http://www.singapore
32 Post contains links zeke : So when a customer goes to http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/flying-with-us/business-listing/ Where does it say regional business class ? Where is th
33 CX Flyboy : I am not going to start a slander campaign against another airline here. You are correct, apart from one major crash in recent years, SQ does not fea
34 ecbomberman : I would like to think it differently. As you have mentioned in the previous post: The thing is that SQ older regional business class has been replace
35 ecbomberman : Agreed. I remember listening on the radio on the day when the A333 had to make a single engine landing due to fuel quality in CGK. The broadcaster da
36 Post contains images TreeHillRavens : You can't always use CX website as a gauge and expect the see the kind of information that is presented to you by CX in other airlines website. You'v
37 Post contains links zeke : I agree, there are a lot of airlines that are upfront and publish what they provide, other airlines that do that include ANA, JAL, CX, LH, QF, GA, MH
38 TreeHillRavens : It was reported both as New Regional Business Class and Medium-haul Business Class. There are so many similar articles online. I am well aware of tha
39 zeke : The seat belts and arm rest are slightly different (as the host airframe is different), not the actual size of the seat people sit on, the amount of
40 Post contains images changyou : Ultimo seats are no longer used on Sin-Hkg vv flights. Its all Diamond/Weber and occasionally Spacebeds. Ultimos seats and Weber seats are currently
41 changyou : All OZ flights are equipped with Diamond(380/77W) and Weber(330/772R/773R) seats. No ultimo seats.
42 CX Flyboy : Which registrations planes are still using these Ultimo seats?
43 9vswr : A total of 11 are still fitted with the ultimo seats; 9V-SRF to SRL, 9V-SQE/SQF/SQH and 9V-SYE. They'll be phased out when the new A333s arrive next
44 Post contains links and images TreeHillRavens : Not really. The seat width and usable bed width on the 333 (cirrus seat) is not the same as on the 77W (cirrus seat). No. I've been comparing the Reg
45 Post contains images ecbomberman : I don't think the herringbone design was a disaster. Tried it on a different airline, who originally made this concept. It gives exceptional privacy,
46 Post contains links TreeHillRavens : Not quite so. SQ is calling this weber J seat their Regional Business Class too, and at the same time also calls it their Medium-Haul Business Class.
47 Post contains links TreeHillRavens : More pictures and a video on this new CX Regional J on BT. One can still put his feet underneath the seat in front of him and the new seat pitch is 47
48 Post contains images ecbomberman : It does mention that it has 1-4 inches more recline compared to the old business class but it doesn't seem to show in the pic. Maybe it's the angle o
49 zeke : It is, the difference is the arm rest, which can be pushed down to be the same level as the actual lie flat seat. The actual seat size and IFE is the
50 Post contains links and images ecbomberman : I shall use the same website that you've asked me to refer earlier on in this discussion Herringbone Business Class: A333: Pitch 81" Width 18.5" http
51 ecbomberman : Agreed that it may be hijacked by fans on other website (but this would also apply on airliners.net). What my intention was to perhaps show a bigger
52 Viscount724 : What percentage of flights with the new seats are overnight flights? Most people sleep at night and have no need for flat-bed seats on daytime flight
53 ecbomberman : You should ask zeke about the percentage of overnight flights. But I did bring up the sleeping matter but apparently it doesn't matter much....
54 Post contains links Sethor : CX press release on the new regional business class with seat specs & high res photos. It looks better than the CX PE product. https://www.cathayp
55 Post contains links zeke : Seatguru is a good guide, it is however not good when you want to compare dimensions as you have, last time I checked the seat details against what w
56 Post contains images ecbomberman : Maybe the 22" figure is seat up position (Just a suggestion. Not trying to stir up a new argument). With the new information in light, I shall not ca
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