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AA41 Emergency Right Now  
User currently offlinegr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23647 times:

Hey

Just seen on Flightradar24. Made a U turn above the atlantic.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AAL41

Looks like its going to london?

Regards
Rob


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User currently offlineKL911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5467 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23664 times:

Quoting gr325 (Thread starter):

Looks like its going to london?

Maybe, it has been on flt lvl 210 for a while, engine out maybe?


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23643 times:

From what I see, it did not make a U-turn and is now above Newfoundland proceeding to ORD. At this point it is running about 3 hours behind schedule.

User currently offlinegr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23598 times:

There is 2 AAl41 flying at this moment.

This is what FR24 said

UPDATE: There are two AAL41 flying at the same time (one over Greenland and one over UK). Disable FAA data to view 7700 emergency in Europe.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5467 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23551 times:

Looks like London, not back to Paris. Makes sense, more staff and maintenance there. 14000ft now.

User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2464 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23123 times:

Just landed (20:11) on runway 27L


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User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22949 times:

How can there be two AA41 flights airborne at the same time??

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21232 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22845 times:

I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?

User currently offlinealuminumtubing From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22744 times:

There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21232 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22690 times:

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 8):
There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.

They weren't really in the same area. One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?


User currently offlineSTEVE7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 478 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22690 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763

Indeed, N370AA


User currently offlineaffirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22650 times:



Steve7e7 beat me to it.. and I got the reg wrong..  Smile


[Edited 2012-09-24 12:42:04]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23621 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22615 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?

Back when Eagle filed 3 digit flight numbers for jet flights, it wasn't unheard of for them to have two flights with the same callsign in the air at the same time. One I remember is 4459 ORD-JAX, which was often leaving just as 3459 VPS-DFW arrived DFW. But of course, that's different from an ops perspective since the "ops" flight number is different.



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User currently offlineSTEVE7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 478 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22499 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?
Quoting affirmative (Reply 11):
Affirmative (sorry for the pun..).. 763 reg N374AA

Confusion reigns!

The a/c that diverted to LHR was N370AA.

N374AA is the earlier AA41, currently over Newfoundland.


User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20638 times:

Any ideas what happened?

User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 18475 times:
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Why have 2 flights with the same call sign its not like there is a shortage of numbers anyway glad all is good


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User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 559 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 18364 times:

Two flights with the same callsign is not uncommon, especially if one of them is running behind schedule.

A number of times as ATC I have had to change a carriers callsign to even depart the AC when the arriving AC of the same callsign is late.

Definitely not uncommon so back to the emergency  



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User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 127 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

I am with the latter-most two posters. So WHAT exactly happened??

filler

filler

KAUST



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10430 times:

Christ.... who cares that there are 2 flights with the same flight #s.

What we want to know is what happened!



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User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 16):
Quoting KAUST (Reply 17):
Quoting flanker (Reply 18):

I was thinking the same thing.

Welcome to a.net - theres a flight sqkng 7700 and we're all in a tusy over how the heck there can be 2 airbourne flights with the same flight number


User currently offlineHannigan From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Could this be it? Related?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4566e1a9&opt=0

[Edited 2012-09-25 09:35:34]


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

I put in flight 41 on the AA flight status page and should be arriving about 10 minutes late at ORD. I checked on Flight Aware, FlightStats, and Real Time Flight Tracker and they all indicate the same information. I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

Note to moderators: I have no vested interest in any of the flight tracking websites I mentioned above.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Netherlands, joined Jul 2003, 5467 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):
I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

No, it was happening, you probably saw the first one or those sites are erroneous. Flightradar24 displays info received in realtime from groundstations ( most often aviation geeks )

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

edit: 2nd 767 was today, not yesterday.

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:26:44]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21232 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 22):

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

Do we know what N370AA's issue was? IFSD?


User currently offlineTWACaptain From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 29 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5310 times:
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I think FlightRadar24 is actually having some identification issue (and has for a while now) as the flight that had the situation was not AA41 but AA121. It diverted due to a mechanical problem and the reason they dropped down to a lower altitude on the way to LHR was probably to burn off fuel and get down to maximum landing weight.

As far as two flights having the same number at the same time, this happens on a regular basis when the inbound aircraft is running late and the continuation of the flight uses a different aircraft to avoid a delay. In that case the filed ATC flight number and the call sign will be modified (such as addition a letter to the call sign) however in most airline computer systems it will keep the same number for reservations reasons. ATC will absolutely not allow two aircraft in the system to have the same number for obvious reason.

Glenn

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:53:03]


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