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gr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 697 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 22297 times:

Hey

Just seen on Flightradar24. Made a U turn above the atlantic.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AAL41

Looks like its going to london?

Regards
Rob

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KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 22314 times:

Quoting gr325 (Thread starter):

Looks like its going to london?

Maybe, it has been on flt lvl 210 for a while, engine out maybe?

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jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 22293 times:

From what I see, it did not make a U-turn and is now above Newfoundland proceeding to ORD. At this point it is running about 3 hours behind schedule.

gr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 22248 times:

There is 2 AAl41 flying at this moment.

This is what FR24 said

UPDATE: There are two AAL41 flying at the same time (one over Greenland and one over UK). Disable FAA data to view 7700 emergency in Europe.

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KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 months 17 hours ago) and read 22201 times:

Looks like London, not back to Paris. Makes sense, more staff and maintenance there. 14000ft now.

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EZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2448 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21773 times:

Just landed (20:11) on runway 27L

Bollocks!

PhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21599 times:

How can there be two AA41 flights airborne at the same time??

DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21495 times:

I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?

aluminumtubing From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 318 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21394 times:

There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.

DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21340 times:

Quoting aluminumtubing (Reply 8):
There shouldn't be two of the same flight numbers in the same area. At least domestically, if an inbound is late, they may send the outbound out on time with a different aircraft. This is called stubbing out the flight. So, flight 555 inbound might go out at 555P.

They weren't really in the same area. One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?

STEVE7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 470 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21340 times:

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763

Indeed, N370AA

affirmative From France, joined Jul 2009, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21300 times:

Steve7e7 beat me to it.. and I got the reg wrong.. Smile

[Edited 2012-09-24 12:42:04]

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Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21265 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
One was approaching ORD and the other had just started its Atlantic crossing. But still, from an AA ops point-of-view, wouldn't that potentially get awkward?

Back when Eagle filed 3 digit flight numbers for jet flights, it wasn't unheard of for them to have two flights with the same callsign in the air at the same time. One I remember is 4459 ORD-JAX, which was often leaving just as 3459 VPS-DFW arrived DFW. But of course, that's different from an ops perspective since the "ops" flight number is different.

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STEVE7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 470 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 months 16 hours ago) and read 21149 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
I can't seem to get info easily on this flight. Was it a 763?

Quoting affirmative (Reply 11):
Affirmative (sorry for the pun..).. 763 reg N374AA

Confusion reigns!

The a/c that diverted to LHR was N370AA.

N374AA is the earlier AA41, currently over Newfoundland.

Mcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 months 9 hours ago) and read 19288 times:

Any ideas what happened?

JumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17125 times:

Why have 2 flights with the same call sign its not like there is a shortage of numbers anyway glad all is good

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ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 months 7 hours ago) and read 17014 times:

Two flights with the same callsign is not uncommon, especially if one of them is running behind schedule.

A number of times as ATC I have had to change a carriers callsign to even depart the AC when the arriving AC of the same callsign is late.

Definitely not uncommon so back to the emergency

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KAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 91 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (8 months 1 hour ago) and read 12759 times:

I am with the latter-most two posters. So WHAT exactly happened??

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flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Christ.... who cares that there are 2 flights with the same flight #s.

What we want to know is what happened!

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CZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 16):

Quoting KAUST (Reply 17):

Quoting flanker (Reply 18):

I was thinking the same thing.

Welcome to a.net - theres a flight sqkng 7700 and we're all in a tusy over how the heck there can be 2 airbourne flights with the same flight number

Hannigan From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Could this be it? Related?

http://avherald.com/h?article=4566e1a9&opt=0

[Edited 2012-09-25 09:35:34]

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brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

I put in flight 41 on the AA flight status page and should be arriving about 10 minutes late at ORD. I checked on Flight Aware, FlightStats, and Real Time Flight Tracker and they all indicate the same information. I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

Note to moderators: I have no vested interest in any of the flight tracking websites I mentioned above.

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KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):
I don't know where the original issue was, whether it was an error on the Flightradar24 website or just erroneous information.

No, it was happening, you probably saw the first one or those sites are erroneous. Flightradar24 displays info received in realtime from groundstations ( most often aviation geeks )

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

edit: 2nd 767 was today, not yesterday.

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:26:44]

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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16824 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 22):

I saw it live for the last 20 minutes up untill landing at LHR. AV herald only mentioned another AA 767 yesterday leaving LHR when slats or flaps couldnt retract. Must have been strange to suddenly have 2 767's that shouldnt have been there.

Do we know what N370AA's issue was? IFSD?

TWACaptain From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 23 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

I think FlightRadar24 is actually having some identification issue (and has for a while now) as the flight that had the situation was not AA41 but AA121. It diverted due to a mechanical problem and the reason they dropped down to a lower altitude on the way to LHR was probably to burn off fuel and get down to maximum landing weight.

As far as two flights having the same number at the same time, this happens on a regular basis when the inbound aircraft is running late and the continuation of the flight uses a different aircraft to avoid a delay. In that case the filed ATC flight number and the call sign will be modified (such as addition a letter to the call sign) however in most airline computer systems it will keep the same number for reservations reasons. ATC will absolutely not allow two aircraft in the system to have the same number for obvious reason.

Glenn

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:53:03]

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