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Will Airbus Respond To The Sky Interior?  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

So one area in which I feel that Airbus does tend to lag behind Boeing is in their aircraft interior design. I'm not talking about cabin comfort, which I've found to be excellent, but rather the overhead design.

Since the 777, Boeing has tended for curving, swept, sculpted overhead surfaces that conceal large storage volumes. Airbus did introduce a similar design on the A380, but many airlines seem to have switched to a more traditional architecture. That said, on a widebody, this becomes much more of an aesthetic issue than a functional one.

What I'm wondering is whether Airbus plans on responding to the narrowbody interior that Boeing has introduced. The Boeing interior does offer larger bins while also increasing headroom and dramatically improving the general appearance of the cabin.

Does anyone know if they are working on this over in Tolouse?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25338 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10484 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
What I'm wondering is whether Airbus plans on responding to the narrowbody interior that Boeing has introduced. The Boeing interior does offer larger bins while also increasing headroom and dramatically improving the general appearance of the cabin.

I don't think many passengers choose an airline based on the design of the ceiling. I find Airbus overhead bins on narrowbodies as large as Boeing bins, and easier to access, That's probably at least in part due to the wider Airbus fuselage.

The new Boeing pivot bins also have more moving parts and I expect that will involve higher maintenance expenses. I have been on a couple of BA 777s where several bins were jammed and unusable. That rarely happens with a simple hinged door.

Overhead air vents, reading lights and call buttons also seem more more effective and easier to access on Airbus aircraft than with the new Boeing interiors.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

If you have flown on any new build Airbuses, they have the enhanced interior. F9 has some of them. 951FR, 952FR, 953FR, 205-216FR has them, just to point out a few aircraft.


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
If you have flown on any new build Airbuses, they have the enhanced interior.

I was trying to get comparison pics from the database on here using my airline as an example....unfortunately all the interior shots are from the "classic" cabin   

But you are correct, the "enhanced" cabin was a refresh with some different lighting and most notably the sidewalls which were smoothed out and the foward attendant panel which became a touch screen. It did modernize the look quite a bit.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
I don't think many passengers choose an airline based on the design of the ceiling.

Then why did Boeing go to the trouble? I agree, it isn't all about passengers, but when the plane looks good, passengers notice and might say good things about that airline.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

Leave the Airbus bins/interior as it is, it is much better than Signature. What percentage of 737NG's are supplied with Signature Interiors?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9776 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 3):
foward attendant panel which became a touch screen.

This was around before the enhanced cabin came about. You can find this on N949FR and all of the A318's that F9 has.

Quoting col (Reply 5):
Signature Interiors

Whats the "Signature Interior"? What's that? You mean the SkyInterior? Boeing just rolled out the SkyInterior this year or at the end of 2011, IIRC.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9740 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
This was around before the enhanced cabin came about. You can find this on N949FR and all of the A318's that F9 has.

Yes, I know, but once the enhanced cabin came out it was a standard panel and not an option like in the classic cabin. I know we tried to keep the original panel for commonality purposes and Airbus was not going to do it without it costing us waaaaaaay too much so we upgraded to the touch-screen.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

Quoting col (Reply 5):
What percentage of 737NG's are supplied with Signature Interiors?

Practically almost all of them. The only one I believe who did not is Ryanair.



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User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

The A32x series got a new interior before the 737NG did.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9661 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
Whats the "Signature Interior"? What's that? You mean the SkyInterior? Boeing just rolled out the SkyInterior this year or at the end of 2011, IIRC.

It's the previous generation of 737 interior. The Sky Interior replaced it.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9544 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Practically almost all of them. The only one I believe who did not is Ryanair.

What about the Chinese carriers?


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

Whilst I quite like the Sky Interior, it was undoubtedly more of a necessity for Boeing than Airbus doing anything extensive to the A320 interior.

As well as the bigger bins, the main benefit of BSI is an impression of more space. The higher and wider cabin of the A320 already has this impression which is further enhanced by the higher positioned windows.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):

Oh, right. I forgot they called it that. Brain fart, my bad.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9427 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
I don't think many passengers choose an airline based on the design of the ceiling.

Then why did Boeing go to the trouble?

1) It's considerably lighter.
2) The new LED lighting throws less heat, simplifying cooling issues, and it lets airlines play with the interior color scheme without having to alter the sidewalls.
3) It ties in with the improved cabin experience branding that Boeing really started to push with the 787.

Tom.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5957 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting col (Reply 12):

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
Practically almost all of them. The only one I believe who did not is Ryanair.

What about the Chinese carriers?

AFAIK all of the NG 737's (including the FR aircraft) have either the Boeing Signature interior or the Sky Interior.



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
The new Boeing pivot bins also have more moving parts and I expect that will involve higher maintenance expenses. I have been on a couple of BA 777s where several bins were jammed and unusable. That rarely happens with a simple hinged door.

Actually the opposite is true. Pivot bins have the bag being smashed against the top of the bin when someone overstuffs it. This reduces maintenance expenses because the bags get smashed rather than hinges being broken when a door on a self bin is forced shut.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
f you have flown on any new build Airbuses, they have the enhanced interior. F9 has some of them. 951FR, 952FR, 953FR, 205-216FR has them, just to point out a few aircraft.

I recently flew on a very new Interjet A320 and it had the new Airbus A32X interior. I found it very pleasant. It might be less futuristic than the Sky Interior, but it is very clean and handsome.

[Edited 2012-09-25 13:55:06 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
If you have flown on any new build Airbuses, they have the enhanced interior. F9 has some of them. 951FR, 952FR, 953FR, 205-216FR has them, just to point out a few aircraft.

I was just on a B6 A320 that had updated PSUs... same thing? Really not much other noticeable difference, other than maybe seat cushioning.


User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):

The Boeing sky interior was designed in part for aesthetics, but mostly for weight reduction and increased efficient use of cabin space. The pivot bins were designed to carry more bags than the original NG bins. Additionally, the Boeing Sky Interior offers maintenence savings through use of LED lighting, new cabin management system and passenger service interfaces. I'm sure airbus has made incremental changes to cabin furnishings to improve aesthetics and weight savings. The Boeing Sky Interior is an expensive option and neither Boeing or the airlines would sign on to it if it didn't provide benefits that went beyond asthetics.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

One thing I've noticed on the A319 is the condensation fog coming out of the AC vents, which looks really cool. But the actual interior was kind of bland even though it was sUA. But from photos I have seen on here, it seems all A320 family aircraft look that way, minus the seat choice.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2408 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

This year I've flown with both a brand new DY 737-800 and a brand new AB A320. They were both very nice aircraft as a passenger. The Airbus has the nicest cabin since it is wider, but the sky interior is nice as well.

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