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Will JetBlue A321 Have The Legs To Fly JFK-LAX/SFO  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 580 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18378 times:

We all know that sometimes JetBlue has to make a refueling stop with their Airbus A320s on
Transcontinental flights from JFK-LAX/SFO and vice versa. Where do they usually land for
refueling. They will be taking delivery of some A321s next year and they will have winglets
but the planes are not NEO. Will their A321s be able to fly from JFK-LAX/SFO without
refueling stops sometimes. Are JetBlues A321s be all coach or will they have a business
or premium class which they have talked about adding in the past.

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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 18178 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):

They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 18157 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 1):

Won't they have the "extra legroom" seats like their current a320s and E190s have? They (the a320s) do transcons everyday.


User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 18145 times:

"They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean."

Can I quote you on that in around 2 years?  


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 18012 times:

I could see them being put on the big runner routes. JFK to Florida in the Winter seems like there is some good options to reduce per seat costs easily.

User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17851 times:

B6 has said before that they plan on using the A321 on routes such as JFK/BOS - Florida and Caribbean. If it is used on a transcon it is just a sub.


"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5855 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17823 times:

  

Why is everyone so doubtful about the A321's ability to do transcons when it does many of them every single day?


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 17557 times:

I'm not saying it CAN'T do the transcons, i'm saying I doubt we put them on it. Everything that i've heard from the top has been that they want these planes on the East Coast and Carribean. They might get subbed in every once in awhile when a plane goes tech, but they won't be doing transcons right out of the gate. The NEOs, definately.

[Edited 2012-09-24 22:22:26]

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17460 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):

We all know that sometimes JetBlue has to make a refueling stop with their Airbus A320s on
Transcontinental flights from JFK-LAX/SFO and vice versa. Where do they usually land for
refueling.

I think that happens mostly in the winter. I have stopped twice in DEN during BOS-OAK flights.


User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17420 times:

The A321's will be able to do transcons. Winglets and extra fuel tanks although they will primarily be used on the Northeast to Florida routes and maybe to Puerto Rico.


LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3315 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17342 times:

US does DCA-PHX on a 183 or 187-passenger A321 from the 6800' DCA runway. I hear they never take weight restrictions in that. Sounds suspect....


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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17012 times:

"B6 has said before that they plan on using the A321 on routes such as JFK/BOS - Florida and Caribbean. If it is used on a transcon it is just a sub."

Really? Where did they say that? Or is it just rumor taking on a life of its own?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16848 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
Why is everyone so doubtful about the A321's ability to do transcons when it does many of them every single day?
Quoting icebird757 (Reply 9):
The A321's will be able to do transcons. Winglets and extra fuel tanks although they will primarily be used on the Northeast to Florida routes and maybe to Puerto Rico.

Even with the enhancements they will only have the range of today's A320s which B6 has put in a low density seating config in order to fly transcon. I've heard they have considered a split configuration for the A320s to do transcon with a sub-fleet. I would not expect the A321 to be on any non-stop transcons except perhaps in seasonal periods of reduced jetstream velocity.


User currently onlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16753 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 1):

They will be all economy,

Don't be too sure about that  


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16591 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):

It was included in the announcment of the big Aorbud order a while back.


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15741 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Even with the enhancements they will only have the range of today's A320s which B6 has put in a low density seating config in order to fly transcon.

Yet US's current A321s fly every day from PHL to SFO without problems in a not-particularly low density configuration...



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User currently onlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15339 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
It was included in the announcment of the big Aorbud order a while back.

Things change and I suspect this will too


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14752 times:
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Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
US does DCA-PHX on a 183 or 187-passenger A321 from the 6800' DCA runway.

That route has been 757s since before the USAir-AmericaWest merger. I watched it push back at gate 42 last Saturday (My flight -- 3183 -- was the next flight at that gate).

Now I'm not saying it's never scheduled as a 321, since there were 321s at other C concourse gates.

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:52:11]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14718 times:
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
the announcment of the big Aorbud order

You mean Airbus, right?


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14698 times:
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Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
from the 6800' DCA runway

The runway was extended last year to 7169 feet.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14482 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
DCA-PHX
DCA-PHX is 3,184 km, nowhere near the max range of the A321. PHL-SFO is the longest A321 flight in operation today, coming in at 4,058km.

Just to make it clear, an A321 at MTOW in ISA conditions needs 8,400 ft of runway for takeoff.

btw, longest A320 flight belongs to SU, from ULN to SVO, 4,649km. 6h40 min.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2012-09-25 11:11:31]


us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14376 times:

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 13):

I haven't heard anything about a first, or business product. Of course we will have Even more space seating on the aircraft, but that's still econ to me.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13335 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):

Yeah, sorry I still have the original iPad and the keyboard is starting to malfunction :S

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):

Technically, but only 6800 of the 7169 feet are availible for takeoff.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 17):

Actually AWE43 is operated by the a321, AWE22 is op. by the 752, and AWE457 is operated by the a320.

All of these are on a daily basis. So yes, you are right, but it hasn't been completely 757 for a while.


User currently onlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 603 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 21):

I haven't heard anything about a first, or business product.

Perhaps you will hear more as time goes on   You never know.

And I'll leave it at that lol.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):
Yet US's current A321s fly every day from PHL to SFO without problems in a not-particularly low density configuration...

And PHL-LAX, but you must have missed the memo. The A321 uses a catapult just to get off the ground and it faces a strong tailwind in both directions. It's the only way it can fly transcon non-stop.


25 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I'd like to be there when that happens. Also, PHL's longest runway is 10,506 ft at 36 feet in elevation. On what grounds would a catapult be needed?[
26 xaapb : I'm curious dose the passengers know in advance they will have to land in DEN, or at sometime during the flight the crew announces that they will hav
27 Post contains images richierich : I agree... people just interject their own ideas as if fact! I do it all the time, ha! Tease! But I think it is safe to guess that maybe there is mor
28 futureatp : One thing to consider when comparing the DCA-PHX, or any east coast route to PHX vs. the West Coast is IFR conditions. If the California destination i
29 BOStonsox : Ok, so from what I've read on other threads in the past: -The A320s that B6 use occasionally make tech stops for refueling. -The A321 has a shorter ra
30 N766UA : I think he means air bud, like the golden retriever.
31 Post contains links strandedinbgm : Cranky Flyer quotes an internal memo from Dave Barger where he states that the 321 "can do really well flying between the Northeast/South US and Latin
32 UALWN : No. US's A321s have been operating PHL-SFO and PHL-LAX for years without trouble.
33 womenbeshoppin : Ive said it in a previous forum and I will say it again. I have worked countless PHL-SFO PHL-LAX 321's. It was very very common for those planes to g
34 Post contains links PHLwok : And this has come up in many threads in the past month. I don't know why folks think the 321 can't do these routes, since they've been doing so for a
35 Post contains links astuteman : Because it is an A-net "fact", like this one... nominal range of an A320 with CFM-56 5B engines and no sharklets.... 3 050 Nm at 75.5t TOW and 150 pa
36 Post contains images ASA : Greetings to you too ... Both times, the pilot informed us over midwest that we'll have to stop in DEN ... approximately an hour before landing there
37 spiritair97 : I actually was passing RIC driving from SC to NY in April and there was bad weather at IAD, too. There were about 15 planes diverted to RIC in the 15
38 RayChuang : Like most here said, the A321's will be assigned primarily between JFK/BOS and Florida destinations given the large number of Northeasterners who vaca
39 Darksnowynight : Right. The 321 can hold over 52,000lbs of fuel, IIRC, with the ACTs installed. In DCAs case, the that probably means some small weight restrictions o
40 BOStonsox : Ok, looks like the info I had seen elsewhere was outdated, initially the A321's range was shorter than the A320's. This was because the A321-100 wasn'
41 mingocr83 : Those are the A321 Enhanced, new A321s on the US Fleet..
42 wn676 : There are times periodically throughout the year when they do not operate 757s between PHX and DCA. This year, they've operated them from about mid-A
43 wn676 : Which have essentially the same specs as the rest of the aircraft in the fleet. Operationally they aren't that different.
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