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Will JetBlue A321 Have The Legs To Fly JFK-LAX/SFO  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 533 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18094 times:

We all know that sometimes JetBlue has to make a refueling stop with their Airbus A320s on
Transcontinental flights from JFK-LAX/SFO and vice versa. Where do they usually land for
refueling. They will be taking delivery of some A321s next year and they will have winglets
but the planes are not NEO. Will their A321s be able to fly from JFK-LAX/SFO without
refueling stops sometimes. Are JetBlues A321s be all coach or will they have a business
or premium class which they have talked about adding in the past.

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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17894 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):

They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17873 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 1):

Won't they have the "extra legroom" seats like their current a320s and E190s have? They (the a320s) do transcons everyday.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17861 times:

"They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean."

Can I quote you on that in around 2 years?  


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17728 times:

I could see them being put on the big runner routes. JFK to Florida in the Winter seems like there is some good options to reduce per seat costs easily.

User currently onlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17567 times:

B6 has said before that they plan on using the A321 on routes such as JFK/BOS - Florida and Caribbean. If it is used on a transcon it is just a sub.


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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5459 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17539 times:

  

Why is everyone so doubtful about the A321's ability to do transcons when it does many of them every single day?


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17273 times:

I'm not saying it CAN'T do the transcons, i'm saying I doubt we put them on it. Everything that i've heard from the top has been that they want these planes on the East Coast and Carribean. They might get subbed in every once in awhile when a plane goes tech, but they won't be doing transcons right out of the gate. The NEOs, definately.

[Edited 2012-09-24 22:22:26]

User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17176 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):

We all know that sometimes JetBlue has to make a refueling stop with their Airbus A320s on
Transcontinental flights from JFK-LAX/SFO and vice versa. Where do they usually land for
refueling.

I think that happens mostly in the winter. I have stopped twice in DEN during BOS-OAK flights.


User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17136 times:

The A321's will be able to do transcons. Winglets and extra fuel tanks although they will primarily be used on the Northeast to Florida routes and maybe to Puerto Rico.


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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17058 times:

US does DCA-PHX on a 183 or 187-passenger A321 from the 6800' DCA runway. I hear they never take weight restrictions in that. Sounds suspect....


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16728 times:

"B6 has said before that they plan on using the A321 on routes such as JFK/BOS - Florida and Caribbean. If it is used on a transcon it is just a sub."

Really? Where did they say that? Or is it just rumor taking on a life of its own?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7173 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16564 times:

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
They will be all economy, and I seriously doubt they ever do transcons. They will mainly go JFK/BOS to Florida and the Carribean.
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
Why is everyone so doubtful about the A321's ability to do transcons when it does many of them every single day?
Quoting icebird757 (Reply 9):
The A321's will be able to do transcons. Winglets and extra fuel tanks although they will primarily be used on the Northeast to Florida routes and maybe to Puerto Rico.

Even with the enhancements they will only have the range of today's A320s which B6 has put in a low density seating config in order to fly transcon. I've heard they have considered a split configuration for the A320s to do transcon with a sub-fleet. I would not expect the A321 to be on any non-stop transcons except perhaps in seasonal periods of reduced jetstream velocity.


User currently onlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 1):

They will be all economy,

Don't be too sure about that  


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16307 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 11):

It was included in the announcment of the big Aorbud order a while back.


User currently onlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15457 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
Even with the enhancements they will only have the range of today's A320s which B6 has put in a low density seating config in order to fly transcon.

Yet US's current A321s fly every day from PHL to SFO without problems in a not-particularly low density configuration...



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 15055 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
It was included in the announcment of the big Aorbud order a while back.

Things change and I suspect this will too


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14468 times:
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Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
US does DCA-PHX on a 183 or 187-passenger A321 from the 6800' DCA runway.

That route has been 757s since before the USAir-AmericaWest merger. I watched it push back at gate 42 last Saturday (My flight -- 3183 -- was the next flight at that gate).

Now I'm not saying it's never scheduled as a 321, since there were 321s at other C concourse gates.

[Edited 2012-09-25 10:52:11]

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14434 times:
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Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
the announcment of the big Aorbud order

You mean Airbus, right?


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14414 times:
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Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
from the 6800' DCA runway

The runway was extended last year to 7169 feet.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2482 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14198 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 10):
DCA-PHX
DCA-PHX is 3,184 km, nowhere near the max range of the A321. PHL-SFO is the longest A321 flight in operation today, coming in at 4,058km.

Just to make it clear, an A321 at MTOW in ISA conditions needs 8,400 ft of runway for takeoff.

btw, longest A320 flight belongs to SU, from ULN to SVO, 4,649km. 6h40 min.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2012-09-25 11:11:31]


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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14092 times:

Quoting werdywerd (Reply 13):

I haven't heard anything about a first, or business product. Of course we will have Even more space seating on the aircraft, but that's still econ to me.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13051 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):

Yeah, sorry I still have the original iPad and the keyboard is starting to malfunction :S

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):

Technically, but only 6800 of the 7169 feet are availible for takeoff.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 17):

Actually AWE43 is operated by the a321, AWE22 is op. by the 752, and AWE457 is operated by the a320.

All of these are on a daily basis. So yes, you are right, but it hasn't been completely 757 for a while.


User currently onlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12826 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 21):

I haven't heard anything about a first, or business product.

Perhaps you will hear more as time goes on   You never know.

And I'll leave it at that lol.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8362 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 15):
Yet US's current A321s fly every day from PHL to SFO without problems in a not-particularly low density configuration...

And PHL-LAX, but you must have missed the memo. The A321 uses a catapult just to get off the ground and it faces a strong tailwind in both directions. It's the only way it can fly transcon non-stop.


25 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I'd like to be there when that happens. Also, PHL's longest runway is 10,506 ft at 36 feet in elevation. On what grounds would a catapult be needed?[
26 xaapb : I'm curious dose the passengers know in advance they will have to land in DEN, or at sometime during the flight the crew announces that they will hav
27 Post contains images richierich : I agree... people just interject their own ideas as if fact! I do it all the time, ha! Tease! But I think it is safe to guess that maybe there is mor
28 futureatp : One thing to consider when comparing the DCA-PHX, or any east coast route to PHX vs. the West Coast is IFR conditions. If the California destination i
29 BOStonsox : Ok, so from what I've read on other threads in the past: -The A320s that B6 use occasionally make tech stops for refueling. -The A321 has a shorter ra
30 N766UA : I think he means air bud, like the golden retriever.
31 Post contains links strandedinbgm : Cranky Flyer quotes an internal memo from Dave Barger where he states that the 321 "can do really well flying between the Northeast/South US and Latin
32 UALWN : No. US's A321s have been operating PHL-SFO and PHL-LAX for years without trouble.
33 womenbeshoppin : Ive said it in a previous forum and I will say it again. I have worked countless PHL-SFO PHL-LAX 321's. It was very very common for those planes to g
34 Post contains links PHLwok : And this has come up in many threads in the past month. I don't know why folks think the 321 can't do these routes, since they've been doing so for a
35 Post contains links astuteman : Because it is an A-net "fact", like this one... nominal range of an A320 with CFM-56 5B engines and no sharklets.... 3 050 Nm at 75.5t TOW and 150 pa
36 Post contains images ASA : Greetings to you too ... Both times, the pilot informed us over midwest that we'll have to stop in DEN ... approximately an hour before landing there
37 spiritair97 : I actually was passing RIC driving from SC to NY in April and there was bad weather at IAD, too. There were about 15 planes diverted to RIC in the 15
38 RayChuang : Like most here said, the A321's will be assigned primarily between JFK/BOS and Florida destinations given the large number of Northeasterners who vaca
39 Darksnowynight : Right. The 321 can hold over 52,000lbs of fuel, IIRC, with the ACTs installed. In DCAs case, the that probably means some small weight restrictions o
40 BOStonsox : Ok, looks like the info I had seen elsewhere was outdated, initially the A321's range was shorter than the A320's. This was because the A321-100 wasn'
41 mingocr83 : Those are the A321 Enhanced, new A321s on the US Fleet..
42 wn676 : There are times periodically throughout the year when they do not operate 757s between PHX and DCA. This year, they've operated them from about mid-A
43 wn676 : Which have essentially the same specs as the rest of the aircraft in the fleet. Operationally they aren't that different.
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