enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13807 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter): Flight is in addition to the daily seasonal SFO-PSP service which commences on October 18th.
You know, I thought the runway wasn't long enough...but I was wrong. This is an interesting idea. It's gonna be seasonal which makes it hard to try such off-the wall ideas because when you leave and return a year later you don't have much brand equity again making it easy for somebody else to jump in. I would hope that PSP is providing some serious funding for this.
It's also interesting because I'd been told that VX would ONLY be adding routes from LAX/SFO going forward. I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2645 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13757 times:
"I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?"
Plenty of slots at JFK. Especially mid morning when this flight is leaving. AND historically, JFK is busier in the summer than the winter.
ontime From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13633 times:
With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers? Unless you are staying in Palm Springs exactly one week (Saturday to Saturday), it seems like it would be hard to get back to NY on Virgin. You'd either have to drive to LA or fly backwards to connect in SFO).
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2452 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13633 times:
Is this the second flight that does not involve lax or sfo
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22024 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13330 times:
Quoting Reply 4): With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers?
Not much different then Saturday only service to ski resorts, Caribbean or Mexico.
Airlines have been doing such 1x weekly flights for ages.
Anyhow VX also has a daily SFO-PSP which can be used to connect if needed.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
AAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13275 times:
And the fact that the daily PSP-SFO flight will continue on to JFK as a red-eye..makes it pretty easy, really. Congrats to PSP! Big things are happening there on the air service front.
DesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13116 times:
PSP is different than normal Florida or other seasonal destinations. The people in the PSP area have a lot of money and are almost entirely from somewhere else. Many people taking AA PSP-DFW are connecting on the New York. Many of the people in the valley live there on weekends and work in New York. It's not like it's just people going on family vacations, it's a higher end market than that.
AAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12784 times:
And, there are tens of thousands of annual visitors who are there for meetings & conventions which is a bread & butter segment of the market for the resort hotels. They represent a huge chunk of the $$$ that flows into the local economy. Some high-value events are held there on a rotating, if not annual, basis.
Bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1360 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12643 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2): I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?
The question is where do they get the slot and the aircraft time in JFK? Probably a day of week cancellation on LAX, LAS or SFO on a Saturday in the winter. Frees up aircraft time and if needed a slot.
HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12643 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2): I would hope that PSP is providing some serious funding for this.
It's also interesting because I'd been told that VX would ONLY be adding routes from LAX/SFO going forward. I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?
It's a seasonal, Saturday-only route. There's not much to fund.
The only time slots are an issue at JFK are at certain times of day where there is a significant spike in traffic - i.e. the time around the trans-Atlantic push.
I believe this is the first non-stop attempt at NYC-PSP by any carrier, correct?
LOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 981 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12556 times:
Quoting Reply 4): With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers? Unless you are staying in Palm Springs exactly one week (Saturday to Saturday), it seems like it would be hard to get back to NY on Virgin. You'd either have to drive to LA or fly backwards to connect in SFO).
Many leisure carriers do this kind of flying into SZG, especially in the winter. I'm sure it's totally normal in the US too.
AAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11315 times:
Also, Westjet flew PSP-YYZ nonstop last winter season, and very successfully, as I understand. I think this route by Virgin will work well, especially as it's being announced several months in advance and is starting as Sat only. Fairly low-risk.
KLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10816 times:
Are the crews there the whole week or are they ferried back to JFK, LAX, or SFO somehow?
Cheers,
KLAXAirport
Last Flights: LAX-YYZ-LAX (AC) Next Flights LAX-IAD-LAX (UA)
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9460 times:
KLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17): Don't forget that VX already flies. PSP-SFO daily. They probably fly to PSP ans then fly to SFO or deadhead to SFO.
Sometimes... I just need to remember certain things...
Last Flights: LAX-YYZ-LAX (AC) Next Flights LAX-IAD-LAX (UA)
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6274 times:
Works for me.
This puts me one step closer to buying a PSP condo and retiring.
gaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 419 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6164 times:
This is great news!
Will VX introduce a new pink livery and name the aircraft Cosmo Express?
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
Quoting enilria (Reply 2): You know, I thought the runway wasn't long enough
At PSP? It was an Army Air Corps base and has a 10,000-foot runway. Scheduled-service DC10s used to land there. President Ford lived in the area for years and when he died they picked his body up with a VC-25 (i.e. 747-200). PSP has the ability really to handle everything. And I just love the indoor/outdoor quality of the terminal. One of my favorite airports.
san747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5370 times:
Unexpected news, but great news as this gives me another nonrev option to go to NY to see family. A nice option for my mom who lives much closer to PSP than LAX or SAN for her to go out east as well.
Scotty doesn't know...
25 WA707atMSP: I think CO tried EWR-PSP in the late 1980s, but the route did not last. This flight is seasonal, and runway length shouldn't be a problem for the mon
27 AAflyguy: Runway 13R/31L was extended from 8,500ft to 10,000ft in the late 90's, I believe. I was there when it happened, and was right around the time when the
28 WA707atMSP: OK, thanks for the update. I remember reading about the extension being considered, but never heard whether or not it had been completed. I agree. I'
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