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Virgin America Announces JFK-PSP Nonstop  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15560 times:

Effective December 22nd, VX will commence a winter seasonal JFK-PSP nonstop.

Flight is in addition to the daily seasonal SFO-PSP service which commences on October 18th.

Saturdays.
VX055 JFK-PSP 1055-1400 A320
VX056 PSP-JFK 1455-2245 A320


Press release:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/virgin...expands-flight-palm-160000841.html

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From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15476 times:
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How long before Jat Blue or AA start a competing flight ? By Christmas.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7683 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Flight is in addition to the daily seasonal SFO-PSP service which commences on October 18th.

You know, I thought the runway wasn't long enough...but I was wrong. This is an interesting idea. It's gonna be seasonal which makes it hard to try such off-the wall ideas because when you leave and return a year later you don't have much brand equity again making it easy for somebody else to jump in. I would hope that PSP is providing some serious funding for this.

It's also interesting because I'd been told that VX would ONLY be adding routes from LAX/SFO going forward. I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3624 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15303 times:

"I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?"

Plenty of slots at JFK. Especially mid morning when this flight is leaving. AND historically, JFK is busier in the summer than the winter.


User currently offlineontime From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers? Unless you are staying in Palm Springs exactly one week (Saturday to Saturday), it seems like it would be hard to get back to NY on Virgin. You'd either have to drive to LA or fly backwards to connect in SFO).

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

Is this the second flight that does not involve lax or sfo

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26137 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14876 times:

Quoting Reply 4):
With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers?

Not much different then Saturday only service to ski resorts, Caribbean or Mexico.

Airlines have been doing such 1x weekly flights for ages.

Anyhow VX also has a daily SFO-PSP which can be used to connect if needed.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

And the fact that the daily PSP-SFO flight will continue on to JFK as a red-eye..makes it pretty easy, really. Congrats to PSP! Big things are happening there on the air service front.

User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14662 times:

PSP is different than normal Florida or other seasonal destinations. The people in the PSP area have a lot of money and are almost entirely from somewhere else. Many people taking AA PSP-DFW are connecting on the New York. Many of the people in the valley live there on weekends and work in New York. It's not like it's just people going on family vacations, it's a higher end market than that.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5594 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14345 times:

Unbelievable. Seeing this, I'm speechless.

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User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14330 times:

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 8):

And, there are tens of thousands of annual visitors who are there for meetings & conventions which is a bread & butter segment of the market for the resort hotels. They represent a huge chunk of the $$$ that flows into the local economy. Some high-value events are held there on a rotating, if not annual, basis.


User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?

Slots at JFK are for prime time operations 1500-2100 (I think).

I doubt it will work.....

N737AA


User currently offlineBobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14189 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?

The question is where do they get the slot and the aircraft time in JFK? Probably a day of week cancellation on LAX, LAS or SFO on a Saturday in the winter. Frees up aircraft time and if needed a slot.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14189 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I would hope that PSP is providing some serious funding for this.

It's also interesting because I'd been told that VX would ONLY be adding routes from LAX/SFO going forward. I wonder where they will get the slot for this? Are there free slots available at JFK in Winter?

It's a seasonal, Saturday-only route. There's not much to fund.

The only time slots are an issue at JFK are at certain times of day where there is a significant spike in traffic - i.e. the time around the trans-Atlantic push.

I believe this is the first non-stop attempt at NYC-PSP by any carrier, correct?


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14102 times:

Quoting Reply 4):
With a Saturday-only schedule from JFK, isn't it difficult to attract roundtrip travellers? Unless you are staying in Palm Springs exactly one week (Saturday to Saturday), it seems like it would be hard to get back to NY on Virgin. You'd either have to drive to LA or fly backwards to connect in SFO).

Many leisure carriers do this kind of flying into SZG, especially in the winter. I'm sure it's totally normal in the US too.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
Unbelievable. Seeing this, I'm speechless.

Care to elaborate?


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

Also, Westjet flew PSP-YYZ nonstop last winter season, and very successfully, as I understand. I think this route by Virgin will work well, especially as it's being announced several months in advance and is starting as Sat only. Fairly low-risk.

User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

Are the crews there the whole week or are they ferried back to JFK, LAX, or SFO somehow?

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 16):

Don't forget that VX already flies. PSP-SFO daily. They probably fly to PSP ans then fly to SFO or deadhead to SFO.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8793 times:
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I think it's a very smart move on VXs part. I bet this flight does very well for them.

User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17):
Don't forget that VX already flies. PSP-SFO daily. They probably fly to PSP ans then fly to SFO or deadhead to SFO.

     

Sometimes... I just need to remember certain things...


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7820 times:
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Works for me.

This puts me one step closer to buying a PSP condo and retiring.  


User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

This is great news!

Will VX introduce a new pink livery and name the aircraft Cosmo Express?



 


User currently onlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5330 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
You know, I thought the runway wasn't long enough

At PSP? It was an Army Air Corps base and has a 10,000-foot runway. Scheduled-service DC10s used to land there. President Ford lived in the area for years and when he died they picked his body up with a VC-25 (i.e. 747-200). PSP has the ability really to handle everything. And I just love the indoor/outdoor quality of the terminal. One of my favorite airports.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 14):
Care to elaborate?

Probably because VX chose to launch a route that wasn't to/from SAN...


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Unexpected news, but great news as this gives me another nonrev option to go to NY to see family. A nice option for my mom who lives much closer to PSP than LAX or SAN for her to go out east as well.


Scotty doesn't know...
25 WA707atMSP : I think CO tried EWR-PSP in the late 1980s, but the route did not last. This flight is seasonal, and runway length shouldn't be a problem for the mon
26 Post contains links and images WALmsp : View Large View MediumPhoto © Nate Portinga Be to check out the World War II Air Museum located on the east side of the airport!
27 AAflyguy : Runway 13R/31L was extended from 8,500ft to 10,000ft in the late 90's, I believe. I was there when it happened, and was right around the time when the
28 WA707atMSP : OK, thanks for the update. I remember reading about the extension being considered, but never heard whether or not it had been completed. I agree. I'
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