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New Flights To Sfo?  
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

SFO is opening a new, huge international terminal supposedly in April, 2000. They are actively searching for new airlines/flights to fill said terminal.

My question is, can anyone peer deeply into their crystal balls/tarot cards are predict what flights/airlines will be added? The last major airline to add flights was Alitalia, back in late spring/early summer. The local paper quoted Alitalia sources as feeling they needed to go ahead and start service, so they would have "seniority/priority" in getting space at the new terminal.

My personal prediction would be to add services to New Zealand, with United having a large hub at SFO as well as being allied with AirNZ in Star Alliance.

P.S. No fair talking about flights scheduled to start already, e.g. Shanghai-SFO on United.



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User currently offlineSEA nw DC10 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

My predictions are Air NewZealand, like you said, more UA's, and Canadian (more)

User currently offlineSEA nw DC10 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

My predictions are Air NewZealand, like you said, more UA's, and Canadian (more) and possibly more Hawaiian

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

I hope no more flights to SFO are allowed. It's overcrowded as it is. Many domestic flights cannot even take off because they are waiting for clearance to fly in to SFO.....BEFORE THEY EVEN LEAVE THE GROUND! New terminals will not help those of us who are regularly delayed and cancelled flying in to SFO.

SFO needs to be expanded and the enviromental extremists who are blocking new runways need to compromise a bit.


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Rumor has it that UA and all Star Alliance partners will occupy the *entire* north wing (the concourse adjacent to the UA North Terminal), with the rest of the airlines at the south wing. This leaves UA/Star with 13 gates at their disposal all day long -- UA must be proposing to augment its already strong international routes from SFO. I hope that UA makes SFO a huge Pacific hub and starts flying direct to more cities like Manila, Guangzhou, Nagoya, Fukuoka, etc., bypassing the Tokyo hub. However, I don't see why SFO is looking to fill gate space because the available gates for all other carriers only increase to 13 (from the previous 12); but a big difference is that UA will no longer hog most of those gates!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

The rumor among UA employees at SFO is that (like previously stated) UA and the Star Alliance will have the entire north wing at their disposal, for both domestic and international flights (this might help clear up the questions about unused gates)...but whew...you should see the current international terminal about midday when the first LHR flight, and all the Asian flights are departing...it's entirely a sea of UA tails!!

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineFITPilot From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

TG, a star member (albeit maybe for not too much longer) does not currently fly into SFO. TG already has daily flights out of LAX so I'm not sure if it would conflict with that flight if they starting flying to SFO. They could fly SFO to BKK via Seoul which they no longer do from the LAX flight. What do you guys think?

User currently offlineDGS From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Isnt that site at SFO a thing of Beauty..All those INLT flt tails lined up..cant wait for the new Term to open up....

My bet is SFO-AKL and maybe back ro SEL and MNL...


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

I love that TERMINAL!!!

I could see SEL coming on-line soon from SFO, but MNL might be a little far-off. From the Customer Svc. people on the bus, they said that the loads to MNL prior to the "flu" were running about 95% full of standbys!! (yikes!)

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineSp-deluxe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Qantas sure is regretting pulling out of SFO especially since United now operates daily 747-400 services into SFO from Sydney, although a few of these passengers go onto other places such as Denver and Chicago. Qantas may consider starting up again on the SFO, traffic between SFO and SYD has been growing consitantly and has a high premium travel level.

Ansett may decide to use their 747-400's on the San Francisco route if UA is willing, Ansett could route a large amount of North American traffic through this new international terminal via the Services of United. Ideally any extra flights Ansett would provide would be timed to meet flights that the current 747-400 service of United does not meet.

Air Pacific may consider entering the San Francisco as part of an ongoing commitment to the North American market, but this will probably be in the form of a single weekly 767 service, with connections in Nadi to Australia and New Zealand as well as the Pacific so pax destination out of SFO would be widespread.


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

How is a 95% load factor a bad thing? (Considering your MNL statistic)

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Thanks for your interesting comments. Since someone mentioned Air Pacific from Fiji, I'm wondering if any service from Tahiti to SFO might materialize on say Air France (onward from CDG, as in LAX) or on Air Tahiti Nui. Actually, there is once a week service on Corsair from Paris onward to Tahiti, however this arrives/departs from Oakland Int'l.

It seems with the large Filipino community, that there certainly would be a market for MNL flights (other than unstable PAL), but who knows? Since the US is slowly resuming contacts with Vietnam, how about flights to SGN? Lots of Vietnamese in San Francisco too. China Southern to Guangzhou (someone mentioned this also)?

What about European flights? Any indication of Aer Lingus flying to SFO, or will they just make LAX their only West Coast destination? Although Finnair flies seasonally during the summer SFO-HEL, might SAS decide to fly here?

Code-shares may be economically efficient, but they sure do cut down on the planes you see at airports today!



User currently offlineEx-UAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

The terminal is so huge, far more than when I used to work at the MOC. Do you work for UA? What do you do? I remember the first 757 with the new paint scheme parked at Dock 7. I miss the planes and the smell of jet fuel.

ex-UAL


User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Regarding Finnair flying to SFO during the summer months, this has been around for sometime but i'll quickly bring it up again:

"Finnair is allocating its aircraft capacity towards more profitable traffic with the addition of flights in summer 2000 to Beijing, Bangkok and Singapore, while removing from its scheduled traffic network the summer-only flights to San Francisco and Toronto."

This is a big shame I'll say... Finnair has been at SFO since 1993. Aer Lingus sounds like a possible new airline to SFO (by the way SFO is my home airport), also I could see another BA flight (in addition to the two daily flights already serving SFO) and maybe Virgin. It would also be neat to see airlines like Malev and LOT fly to SFO... if Alitalia can use a 763ER then so can Malev & LOT... I would be ecstatic if Qantas decided to resume services to SFO, I think it was a big mistake back in 1995 when they pulled out for LAX. But nobody knows except for the airlines and the SFO Planning Commission.

Also those enviromentalists need to get a life. SFO promised to, in exchange for filling in 10,000 acres of San Francisco Bay for a new runway, would create 30,000 acres of wetlands about a mile north, near Candlestick Point. I'd say that's a good exchange.

Moi,
Kai



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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Hello,

Air France will operate two daily flights with B777-200 IGW and with B747-400 (they only operated the 777 last summer).

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

RE: Aer Lingus to SFO
Just talking about Aer lingus to SFO in some of the above comments, I'm afraid I don't see it happening for about two/three years at least. I was talking to Aer Lingus CE last year after LAX route was annouced and he mentioned that they had done a lot of work on choosing their new gateway. They felt LAX would give them the most room to carry transit pax to and from Asia/ NZ etc... The 2nd A330-200 is arriving next year to increase flights to LAX to 5 a week (from 3) and so with that sort of outlay on new aircraft I don't think they can afford it for about two years. (cost of new aircraft) Also there are rumours that Washington will be the next gateway (if and when they choose to add more) This could be added with little extra cost by using one of the existing A330-300's already in the fleet. Also SFO is such a big UA hub, with Aer Lingus joining OneWorld alliance next year, it doesn't mke sense for onward connections for Pax.



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User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Do you think a direct flight to Winnipeg Manitoba Canada would be a good idea? I wish Winnipeg could have a direct flight to SFO. That would go good with there new International terminal. Maybe Aircanada or Canadian could do a flight every day.

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

That's a good idea, Ywg777! Shame on me for not thinking of Canada as "international." I know that Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal are nonstop destinations from SFO. I don't think Edmonton is serviced nonstop (not sure), but Winnipeg would be a great choice for UA. Of course, Denver or (most probably ) Chicago will probably be the first hub of choice for Winnipeg.

I would also love to see South African Airways 744s at SFO (keep on dreaming)!


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Sorry...It was late and I should have explained it in further detail:

Out of the passengers on the flight (which is still pretty low), 95% of those pax. are standby pax.

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Sorry, normally I hate correcting people but I just can't let this one go:

"...possibly more Hawaiian." More Hawaiian?  Last time I checked flights from Hawaii weren't international. But like I said, I hate people who correct others on simple little things (can you say hypocrit), but I just had to point that little boo-boo out, because so many people often forget about Hawaii, and often think of flight from there as international. But on the opposite hand, we often think of flights from Canada as domestic, so I guess it's a trade off: we lose Hawaii, but gain Canada 

LH423



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User currently offlineYwg777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Johnboy,
We have direct links from Winnipeg to the U.S.A.
Northwest flies 5 flights to Minneapolis/ St. Paul a day. Air Canada flies direct to Chicago twice a day. Air B.C (Aircanada's westren partner) Flies to Denver once a day. I would really like to see United flying to SFO or even AirCanada. I will talk to Winnipeg's airport authority on it. I think if this link works business will be good for Both Echonimies. Visit www.waa.ca and give your input.
YWG777


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