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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 50  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12709 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART L

"Happy 50th anniversary!"


The 50th is one of the most emblematic anniversaries and the time has come for the Central American community who is celebrating this special edition.
From December 2006 to September 2012, a small region from the world has steadily demonstrated here the interest for the commercial aviation. Thus, this edition is dedicated to all the posters and readers from the Central American aviation series. Remember the former logo printed above !         


Edited on September 25th, 2012


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

50th thread....wow! and at least we are civil to each other now 


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User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

Excellent job guys!!!


With Age comes Wisdom...
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12551 times:

50th CentAm thread.. thanks SJOtoLIR and kudos to all who made it happen!  

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
50th anniversary!
Is it 2056 already?  

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 1):
at least we are civil to each other now

Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go? 



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12523 times:

SJO recently implemented performance–based navigation for RWY25 (east–west) which offers a number of operational benefits in terms of safety, efficiency, emissions, and reduced costs for airlines.


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12485 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Where did the ex–cartel cheerleading squad captain go?

I'm here sweety - missed me?

LOL



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12418 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
I'm here sweety - missed me?

We all do.. to varying degrees, anyway.

But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12415 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
But seriously, we don't get to hear much from you any more.. have you turned into a lurker? lol

Just busy w work  

Dont worry. i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever  Smile

[Edited 2012-09-26 19:45:20]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12395 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 7):
i keep tabs on you guys.. just not time to respond.. i see that your rants are as good ever

Fair enough then.. do chime in from time to time.. señor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12338 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
eñor Kriete finally threw in the towel and on top of that has pledged allegiance to another country, so there's not much to argue about these days.

Nothing "new" for sure - you are still obsessed about the Parrots and COPA is still not in Belize.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithophobia
(maybe?)



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12312 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
you are still obsessed about the Parrots

Oh the parrots are gone.. un cóndor se comió todas las guaras.   



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12262 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize.

ooooohhhhh, that was a low blow
 

I hereby declare...No Free Seats for you on the Inaugural



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 3):
Is it 2056 already?

Ooops! So, this edition must be re-phrased as "Happy 50th Cent Am thread..."  




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Quoting mt99 (Reply 9):
COPA is still not in Belize

I barely commented in the last Cent Am thread about why CM is not at BZE yet.
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time. The hypothetical CM PTY-BZE must basically cater passengers from South America where the Panamanian airline has certainly had a good job on selected leisure routes as CM PTY-PUJ, CM PTY-CUN and CM PTY-MCO, among others.
I don't think CM would venture into BZE prior to consolidate LIR before. However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.
We have previously commented about how San Pedro Sula isn't performing well on Copa Airlines nowadays. However, the current CM PTY-SJO-SAP is attending the SJO-SAP market with the 100-seater E90 every day. Their competitors only deploy the ATR-42 in such route.




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Copa Airlines Colombia will increase their following weekly frequencies:
CM PTY-CLO 26x to 28x weekly. Effective: December 18th.
CM PTY-ADZ 5x to 7x weekly. Effective: December 17th.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12184 times:
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CM PTY-GUA-BZE would be wonderful. I really do hope they do it.


avi8
User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12178 times:

Hello everybody!

Im surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

AA0986/27SEP
SJO 1245 3
MIA CE J18 1750 1940 D33
LAS 1 D8 2145
7SJO/AUTO REACCOM DELAYED FLT SEE N*0986SEP27SJO *1442*CRC
YMG
5SJO/6SJO-LAS CHG EPQ MIA SAME TYPE EDO
FTWDP RUHBERG *1605
2SJO/PRE1345 *1613
3SJO/ETD2054 A/E 2155 *2108
4SJO/OUT2101 OFF2112 *2212
3MIA/ETD2000 A/E *1804
4MIA/OUT2003 OFF2023 *1923
2MIA/ETA0137 *2332
2LAS/ETA2221 *2054

AA2127/27SEP
MIA 1940 D43
SJO 4 2030
3MIA/ETD2020 MNTC *1905
4MIA/OUT2010 OFF2025 *1925
5MIA/ACCT MECH *2124*QSDWPC
1SJO/INTMD LNDG AT MBJ ETA2147FTWDP PISENTI *2109
2SJO/PRE0217 *2203
2MBJ/IN2154 *2157
3MBJ/ETD0130 *2203

This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?



With Age comes Wisdom...
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
Any CM PTY-BZE would be performed as a leisure route and the results of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly are not firmly consolidated at this time

Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
If you want to compare LIR with another destination in the region compare it with RTB, CZM and HUX.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12084 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
However, any CM PTY-GUA-BZE or so makes sense to me as it would also serve the VFR market named GUA-BZE.

this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA. The VFR traffic to GUA is very price sensitive (as many have found out) and doable by road.

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
m surprised no one has mentioned the problematic operation of American Airlines in the last weeks, and as usual, Central America gets a hard hit with delays and cancelations by the airline, mainly caused by its labor issues with the pilot unions and the excessive maintanace of its fleet, especially the 757 fleet out of Miami.

Just today in San Jose, one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintanance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego bay because of maintanance issues... Here is the flight info according to SABRE:

Same crap has been happening here in BZE for the last few weeks. Often AA is cancelling one of its MIA ad rerouting / rebooking the pax. They are not making many people happy..including my wife whose usual 3 day trip to POS turned into 6 last week with delays and subsequent misconnects on all 4 segments.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Comparing BZE to LIR is like comparing apples and oranges.
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).

bingo. Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
this would not work....the business traffic (shipping, banking, free zone) is all PTY and a one stop flight will put them on even footing with TA.

I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12048 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
BZE from PTY (+hub) isn't a 99% leisure destination like LIR (and a 1% non-leisure related traffic would be probably too much for PTY hub - LIR).
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Analysis shows It will be more like NAS.....about a 60/40 split.


Guys, I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.




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Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
This has been a pain for weeks, with people stranded all over the system, rebooking lines in Miami of one thousend people or so per day, an on-time performance of less than 40%, and the problems don't seem to end...

Any comments?


I just checked flighstats.com and found delays and cancellations on AA MIA-SJO 24 hours backward.
AA SJO-MIA is still showing big delays on September 28th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12034 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):
I can't see how a possible CM one-stop can be the same as a TA/AV connection @ SAL.
Recently I heard from a passenger flying between PTY and BZE via SAL that he hardly made the connection @ SAL and was lucky he was flying without baggage.

The connection is usually Ok....All I was saying was that faced with a one stop daily to PTY (via SAL) or a hypothetical 4Xweekly one stop via GUA on CM..the former will be more attractive for business travellers

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
I found these sentences loaded with speculation as we cannot get any reliable info about how BZE from PTY might work in the future. BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America. The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown.
I think the hypothetical CM PTY-BZE is feasible with very limited weekly frequencies from the very beginning like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly and CM PTY-MBJ 2x weekly.

Actually I have hard data, but it is proprietary and I am sorry I can't share. But I can tell you that currently the traffic between GRU, VVI, CCS, PTY, SJO, EZE, POS and BZE is enough to fill a Ejet 4 times a week easily. VVI may be a shocker...but there is a lot of Mennonite traffic on that route (VVI and BZE are sister Mennonite communities). Next week alone the MIn of foreign affairs is hosting 60 businessmen from Argentina. This week , the Brazilians are here.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12024 times:

Quoting CRFLY (Reply 14):
one of the Miami flights took off 8 hours behind schedule because of maintenance and the night flight from Miami to San Jose had to perform an emergency landing in Montego Bay because of maintenance issues

So was this a result of huelga/tortuguismo or was it caused by "the excessive maintanace of its fleet" as you put it?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
BZE is basically leisure-traffic from the USA and VFR from Central America

Add some o/d business traffic (shopping, banking, CFZ) from Panamá, as described in post #16 above, to the mix.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
The proportion and amount of traffic on any CM PTY-BZE is still unknown

It's all about the thriving Brazilian economy (aka samba surge) and increased middle–class tourism from Brazil.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down in GUA.....can any of our Guatemalan friends confirm or shed some light?


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12012 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):
Gettign word that a helicopter carrying the Camino Real owner went down

Prensa LIbre
is reporting the deceased was the owner of Grand Tikal Futura.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2143 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12007 times:

Take a listen to the audio link @01m32s the pilot can be heard saying "perdí el rotor de cola" — requiescat in pace.


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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11971 times:

The runway in MGA was due to have its 09-27 number changed to 10-28 on september 20th when new procedures were published, but due to great efficiency of our airport's authorities this has been delayed until December 13th. New Jeppesen charts show Procedures to Rwys 10-28 but we still have rwy 09-27. Very funny to hear the exchange of regulations and requirements over the radio between ATC and pilots arriving here. There is only one notam showing the delay, but a crew coming with updated charts will not have charts showing rwy 09-27, nice deal.


C208B
25 viaggiare : Is this being done to correct some sort of historic blunder in that the azimuth angle was originally miscalculated?
26 Post contains links viaggiare : Last week a group of thirteen Brazilian nationals allegedly "arrived in the Bahamas on Copa Airlines under the guise of being tourists at a local hote
27 MGASJO : This is done due to the magnetic drift that changes over time. Right now if you're lined up on RWY 09, your compass will indicate 98-100, hence the c
28 viaggiare : Thanks for the explanation.. I wonder if DGAC/MOPT down here is monitoring this shift in the magnetic north pole in order to update runway designatio
29 MGASJO : I'm pretty sure they are. Cocesna also has an airplane that goes to all stations in Central America, calibrating and fine tuning all VORs, ILSs. They
30 Post contains images andrefranca : The airline is clearly not using it's "powers" given by chpt 11, here "down under" we're also suffering with both AA and pax rioting! MAO was the hel
31 yellowtail : BZE GUA is the VFR.....BZE-PTY is much more business oriented
32 viaggiare : Well now, that's an interesting little tidbit. There has been a slowdown but CEPAL (aka ECLAC) is estimating 4% growth next year (up from 1,6% this y
33 Post contains links viaggiare : Looks like arriving Copa flights will continue to come under increased scrutiny at NAS.. after reading some more of the Bahamas Tribune, it becomes ap
34 andrefranca : I SWEAR I could see that coming! The Bahamas although a wealthy nation was known in the 80's as a strong stop over for mules on their way to the USA,
35 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-NAS is 6x weekly nowadays. From December 20th, the airline will offer their 6x weekly departures out of Panama City at 07:46 and 11:18. . Don'
36 avi8 : Wow, CM is really making their hub in PTY meorable haha. How many daily flights will they have by year end? Are they putting the new interiors into th
37 yellowtail : Today, Tropic Air announced a daily BZE-CUN effective November 12, and a daily SPR-MYF and BZE-MYF (San Ignacio, Belize) effective Dec 10. The latter
38 2travel2know2 : Strange CM wouldn't add one frequency to both MBJ and KIN instead of adding 2 to only MBJ. At least there'lll be flights 6 times per week between PTY
39 juanchito : Is this flight operated by a Caravan also? or are they planning to add bigger planes.
40 yellowtail : Yes, for now until they see what the traffic levels will be like.
41 LAXLocal : What would the flight time be for this? Seems like a long haul in a Caravan. Especially with no loo. LAXLocal
42 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-CUN will be soon in the same level of both CM PTY-HAV and CM PTY-SDQ which are offering 35x weekly frequencies. Copa Airlines is also pursuing
43 SCL767 : CM actually stimulates demand for more non-stop flights from destinations such as CUN, MCO, PUJ, etc. to certain South American cities.
44 yellowtail : 1:20 ....currently they run BZE-SAP at 1:05 with no issues...just remember to use the loo first. And remember that these are the new 208s that they a
45 mt99 : OK kids.. so i am looking flights to SDQ for myself and colleges for later this month. Here are CM's Fares: ORD-PTY-SDQ: $440 SAL-PTY-SDQ:$877 GUA-PTY
46 juanchito : Nop they are not an airline of low prices they have good service but not in Central America flights. Juanchito
47 yellowtail : I have never heard CM and low price in the same sentence. Did you try SDQ via MIA?
48 Post contains images mt99 : Well to SDQ from ORD is great deal. $470 (not $440; my mistake). At least $70 cheaper than AA thru MIA; and i trust that CM's seats do not fall off,
49 2travel2know2 : CM low fares in Central America?? Yes, I you never stop checking CM website and promotional emails for bargain fares.. Better your colleges use miles
50 MGASJO : There's been some rumours wondering around about Avianca caring little about Taca's involvement in regional airlines. Aeroperlas was in trouble and it
51 Post contains images andrefranca : Charging 200 USD from SJO to LIR oneway , what do they think? by bus you pay 10 usd only and it takes 4 hours, it won't hurt! I had the chance to fly
52 SHAQ : The problem is not Copa, neither TACA. The problem, is that they don't have any competition in the CentAm or PTY-Colombia market! Ex.Last time I chec
53 viaggiare : Been hearing those same rumors myself.. unlikely the Colombians will throw money at RZ if it's bleeding that bad. Check natureair.com for non–resid
54 viaggiare : I wonder if PM might be interested in any of these birds despite being neither brand–new nor G1000–equipped.[Edited 2012-10-09 17:12:55]
55 MGASJO : They are G1000 equipped. It's been a year or so since RZ had all G1000 fleet. I think Costeña might catch one of those. Recently brought one brand n
56 Post contains images viaggiare : Well then finding the birds a new home shouldn't be much of a problem.
57 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : How is that possible? Madrid - Paris: US 140, round trip in November by Air France. San Jose - San Salvador: US 380, lowest round trip in November. .
58 viaggiare : Can you please tell me what type aircraft they use on MGA–RNI flights and whether a stopover in BEF is involved?
59 Post contains links viaggiare : Pulmitan has a double–decker bus doing the run since late 2010 — is that the one you took?
60 Post contains images andrefranca : I appreciate the natureair site, But i'll take pullmintan on january, as I don't if my inbound flight will be on time and I have some kilos with me
61 2travel2know2 : The only competition CM has is: Air Panama thrice weekly between PAC and SJO one stop (immigration/customs) DAV and AV between PTY and BOG thrice dai
62 Post contains images mt99 : I know. how can a flight that is twice; as long cost half the price! VIaggaire - you missed me so much before, now you don't even comment on my posts
63 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Stayed short of saying I missed you "so much" — let's get that straight. They seem to be going down a dangerous path by emulating the rape and pill
64 2travel2know2 : TA history and its ways (pre- and post- taking over all their Central American competitors) and CM's are quite different. And CM is a one-hub operati
65 Post contains links viaggiare : Avianca has now pronounced the friggin' parrots *officially dead* along with what little else remained of that infamous brand.. read more.[Edited 2012
66 MGASJO : There is no sure way of knowing. Not even us pilots know what aircraft or route will fly to RNI until the day before the departure. Depending on the
67 viaggiare : No wonder I keep getting conflicting information every time. Thanks!
68 yellowtail : Running 208s is not cheap....with the cost of fuel and the cost of those airplanes, fares have to be high. One thing they don't have is good CASM! Ex
69 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Speaking about Air Panama into PAC-DAV-SJO thrice a week, we still haven't seen any progress in terms of their frequencies lately. . I rather did my
70 Post contains links and images juanchito : A little quite here. On October 12, 2012 an Iberia A340 destroyed part of the aproaching light on runway 01 in La Aurora. Here is a photo. The airplan
71 AA767LOVER : I think even I was wrong in my estimation. Price wise, both airlines are basically the same unless something like SPIRIT comes in with an aggressive
72 SJOtoLIR : I agreed with, in case we're talking about the TACA and COPA inner models in Central America. . When NK entered into Central America back in 2007, bo
73 AA767LOVER : Not simply within Centroamerica, but systemwide, you cannot equate low fares with any of the two airlines. But, TACA does give you a better run for y
74 viaggiare : Out with the old.. their entire operation was rebranded as AVIANCA and all feathered creatures were exterminated shortly thereafter.. not only did pe
75 viaggiare : I agree in that their service is slipping.. and it seems to be hurting their business somewhat.
76 SHAQ : Well, last time I flew on Copa on September, PTY-JFK-PTY On the first leg I was flying in J, and I was happy with the service really, no complaints. T
77 Post contains images viaggiare : 'nough said.. Copa is most deserving of your continued patronage then.
78 2travel2know2 : I've notice CM a bit disorganised when it comes to getting passengers on-board the aircraft. They're afraid to really enforce the Business Class/Elite
79 Post contains links and images viaggiare : Folks traveling on AA this month will find the inflight magazine cover story article (pages 44–54) has been dedicated to Ciudad de Panamá and surro
80 Post contains images yellowtail : And check out AA's Nexos next month for a special on my favorite country.
81 Post contains links viaggiare : Earlier this afternoon an Avianca (AV/TA) A321 reportedly hydroplaned and veered to the right side of the runway (07) while attempting to land at SJO.
82 Post contains links viaggiare : Apparently it was a blown tire (or up to three according to some sources) that caused LR621 (nonstop SAL–SJO) to skid partially off the runway and i
83 Post contains links and images tomascubero : Hey Guys, Been I think a few years since I checked the forum, actually missed talking about aviation on here! So I'm back with a couple of comments! I
84 juanchito : Welcome back It actually touch it with the landing gear, it was a bad approach. They make a go-around check if everything was OK then landed. Really
85 2travel2know2 : Today our president gave a report on a TV network about his trip to Germany and said that next year or 2014 LH will be fling to PTY. I believe it when
86 yellowtail : Politicians love a good talk....but with Salo and Co. One never knows.
87 peterinlisbon : I was just wondering how things were going in Central America now that Avianca has bought TACA and there is even less competition than there was befor
88 2travel2know2 : Today the Panamanian Presidential Palace Palacio de las Garzas handed out a press release on our president trip to Japan and Vietnam. According to the
89 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : I'll be there ! . We have commented about this intended plan before. The recent expansion at PTY and the possible code-share cooperation between CM-N
90 2travel2know2 : CM got to code-share already with OZ, perhaps with NH too but I don't have reliable sources. Not sure there'll be code-share w/CA, SQ and TG but it w
91 viaggiare : Japanese exporters and shipping companies alone would disagree.. and well–educated Japanese leisure travelers would probably find Panamá to be an
92 SJOtoLIR : The Central American airlines are now appearing in places as far as Hawaii by means of code-share services operated by United: UA 1142.....HNL 07:01..
93 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY runways at risk from www.prensa.com in Spanish Panama National Environment Authority has advised that if the mangroves and swamps close to PTY run
94 Post contains images juanchito : Taca A330-200 is ready to go to LIM to make some test and certifications. This is a picture of the plane in BOG. Juanchito
95 Post contains links viaggiare : Local business daily La República ran a somewhat nostalgic piece (subscription required) today on the TACA/LACSA/AVIANCA brand unification. And altho
96 RCS763AV : Well not only is that commentary xenophobic and ignorant, it doesn't acknowledge the many tonnes of colombian and peruvian cocaine that goes through
97 viaggiare : One of them was listed by Revista Summa among the 100 most successful CentAm businessmen and the other is a former longtime president of the Costa Ri
98 RCS763AV : On or off the record, his remarks are retarded and absolutely incorrect. What a character. Well then clearly they have some studying, traveling and r
99 summa767 : First a correction: The picture is not in BOG, but in MDE, where the group's widebodies tend to go for mx. Great to see an A330 with the Taca logo, e
100 yellowtail : Regarding the TA 332...all I can say is I really missed the TA widebodies.....and it will be good to see them back.
101 avi8 : Hope to see them in GUA? How many are they getting? 2?
102 RCS763AV : For the moment, 2. And probably 0 hope of seeing them in GUA. The plane looks nice with the TA logo btw.
103 SCL767 : Would a LIM-SAL-LAX routing appeal to connecting and O&D pax traveling between LIM and LAX when there are already 13 weekly non-stop flights betw
104 summa767 : I presume that most of the passengers on this route are divided into the 2 segments: LIM-SAL who go there to connect to different places in Central a
105 2travel2know2 : Some time ago I suggested something like LAX-SAL-MIA-LIM-EZE (but it could be SCL) w/A330 and quickly it was doomed as a bad idea. Still it could be
106 Post contains images yellowtail : I guess we won't see any more new destinations out of CM for this year. October 31 shoudl be about the last possible date the could do it and still ma
107 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM cancels flights due to Hurricane Sandy In Spanish from www.prensa.com CM has cancelled flights to Jamaica and Bahamas until Saturday due to Cat 2 H
108 AA767LOVER : Hmm, I have a question here. . . if they are re-branding and re-painting, why are they spending money putting a TACA livery on the plane only to repai
109 juanchito : Because the Avianca livery will be gone too. Every new airplane the group is receiving has has the Star Alliance livery with Avianca and Taca logo on
110 yellowtail : I would assume they probably cancelled JFK today
111 viaggiare : I see it as a cost–effective way to: 1) acknowledge the man who single–handedly (with a bit of help from Lufthansa) secured Star membership, and
112 Post contains links viaggiare : La Nación ran a piece on the inaugural WS flight to LIR this afternoon. (link in Spanish)
113 AA767LOVER : What is the frequency? AC also does LIR too. Having WS do it is very good and more competitive. Does Skyservice or Transat also run down to LIR?
114 AA767LOVER : BTW, why do AV and TA titles seem much smaller than other Star Alliance carriers? Can hardly see!
115 viaggiare : Twice weekly (Mon/Sat) for now.
116 SJOtoLIR : Cancellations on October 29th due to the impact of Hurricane Sandy: TA SAL-IAD TA SAL-JFK CM PTY-JFK CM PTY-IAD UA EWR-PTY UA EWR-SJO . The press rele
117 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM cancels IAD JFK flights due to Sandy in Spanish, from www.prensa.com CM has cancelled 3 IAD and 8 JFK flights due to Hurricane Sandy. No word yet i
118 viaggiare : Earlier this afternoon Copa announced its SEVENTH daily frequency to San José.. CM192 PTY0708 – 0725SJO E90 D (effective 11DEC2012) CM193 SJO0826
119 avi8 : WOW! Is there that much demand between those two cities? TA also has a daily flight to SJO
120 viaggiare : There is a good deal of o/d business traffic but most of it is routed elsewhere in the network via the Tocumen hub. Their share of that market has pr
121 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : And now that both TA(AV) and CM belong to Star Alliance, it may shrunk even more.. Best strategy for TA(AV) on the SJO-PTY market would be to fly at
122 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : KL adds 45,000 extra seats to AMS-PTY-AMS route from www.prensa.com - in Spanish KL is to fly its largest B777 daily between AMS and PTY thus beefing
123 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Some photos related to the expansion of the main terminal at PTY. The moving walks haven't been installed yet. . KL AMS-PTY introduced the daily 777 o
124 yellowtail : Didn't realize it was the "W"....thats nice and probably a good sign you won't see AF if KL is ensuring adequate capacity. If AF was coming you would
125 2travel2know2 : It's all relative, now that TA(AV) is Star Alliance, even if the SJO-PTY/PTY-SJO (and SAL-PTY/PTY-SAL) don't bear CM code-share, some kind of interli
126 yellowtail : THis whole CM and AV/TA shotgun marriage has got to come unglued at some point.
127 Post contains links SHAQ : Copa receives the 500th 737 Sky Interior http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2482
128 avi8 : Aside from PTY, SJO and SAL, it's been kind of quiet in the rest of the region. No new announcements at all in GUA.
129 yellowtail : Well RTB did get that new AA. BZE did get CUN from PM.....which is still pending Mexican approval. I bet you will see some at GUA PTY and BZE announc
130 SJOtoLIR : AA MIA-RTB 1x weekly with 738. Effective: November 17th. New flight AC YYZ-LIR 1x to 3x weekly with 319. Effective: December 19th. Seasonally upgrade
131 AA767LOVER : PTY-SJO and v.v. makes good business sense, but not enough demand to create an hourly shuttle service into the late hours of the night. Yes, when CM i
132 2travel2know2 : Hourly perhaps no, every 90 minutes or so yes. An option CM should explore is to add SJO twice daily w/stop in DAV. That way CM increases PTY-SJO fre
133 bjorn14 : Are they any plans to extend the runway @ ONX? Also has anybody heard anything about the new airport in La Union?
134 2travel2know2 : I really doubt it. ONX takes so much precious land from the Colon Duty Free Zone and adjacent ports that any runway extension - where it might be pos
135 yellowtail : Seems like PM has had to delay their BZE-CUN startup.....see partial statement from them below "We know that many of you have been awaiting word on th
136 SJOtoLIR : Loaded schedule for Copa Airlines into the Panama City - Miami service, in terms of weekly frequencies: December 10 backward: CM PTY-MIA: 28x. Decembe
137 2travel2know2 : I'd think CM will also add a couple of MIA flights for Carnival next year, as PTY-MIA-PTY is a very PTY O/D traffic sensitive route and quite popular
138 SJOtoLIR : AA MIA-PTY is 19x weekly at this time and all we know the troubles that the airline is experiencing nowadays. CM PTY-MIA might take advantage due to
139 AA767LOVER : I think both Spirit and COPA can both maximize their advantage on this and increase service to PTY. If AA's management can't MANAGE their own airline
140 2travel2know2 : I'd think it's already happening, not only from SJO, but also from MGA, BOG and definitely from CCS. Yes CM is very committed to MIA, but still no wo
141 RCS763AV : I think the offer from BOG is very generous considering that another 5 cities in the country also have flights to south florida, and will be compleme
142 2travel2know2 : To start, CM(P5) could well do an aircraft night swap between MIA and BOG. IMHO, BOG-MIA O/D traffic is big enough that it could already support a B7
143 AA767LOVER : Would love to see P5 using a 73G from MIA to BAQ, BOG, CTG, MDE if it can support it. LAN would most likely pick up where AA's pax are being offloaded
144 SJOtoLIR : Of course. The reason why TA/LR SJO-MIA downgraded their frequencies is still unexplained to me, being the MIA-SJO segment likely the most bulky mark
145 viaggiare : Three words: diminishing market share.
146 RCS763AV : I agree, that could be an option. Yes, but what is the reason for that diminishing market share? Prices too high? Costs? Better feed for the flights
147 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : That's why I posted before this is unexplained to me... The SJO-MIA is a huge market, analyzing the Central America - South Florida traffic and based
148 avi8 : GUA-MIA has a large O/D to MIA as well. 3 daily from AA, one daily TA, and Spirit operates 5 weekly to FLL I think.
149 Post contains links viaggiare : Front page article in today's La Nación regarding the future of SJO and renewed talk of the much–anticipated new airport in Coyolar de Orotina (btw
150 2travel2know2 : Must point out that CM PTY-MIA is among the top - if not the one with the most - O/D traffic of all CM routes out of PTY.
151 2travel2know2 : Must point out that CM PTY-MIA is among the top - if not the one with the most - O/D traffic of all CM routes out of PTY.
152 SJOtoLIR : Based on "Reporte estadístico aeroportuario 2011. Aeropuerto Internacional Tocumen" Miami was ranked in the second place, in terms of passengers mob
153 SJOtoLIR : Top-ten for SAL, in terms of passengers moblilized from. 1. Los Angeles 2. Houston 3. Miami 4. Washington 5. Panama City 6. San Jose 7. Atlanta 8. New
154 avi8 : I'm surprised GUA isn't in the top 10 from PTY. Does anyone have this info for GUA?
155 AA767LOVER : LAX-SAL is no surprise; IAH-SAL is a bit of a surprise as I'm not aware of a large Salvadoran population in Texas; I would have thought DC or MIA woul
156 AA767LOVER : I would love to see what the picture will be like when the route system changes after AV/TA is fully rebranded as just AV. What will happen? Will they
157 yellowtail : Obviously, you have never seen the area of of 59 South and off of 45 jsut north of Hobby Airport. There are days around xmas when CO used to put on a
158 2travel2know2 : That sounds like WN will fly HOU-SAL as soon as HOU gets a F.I.S. (concourse or just an in-terminal gate).
159 Post contains images mt99 : Well, if you dont mind risking robberies (or even worse) on the Guatemala side of the border. Last time i was in SJO, the food was ridiculously expen
160 yellowtail : I think HOU-SAL/SAP/GUA/PTY are definites. Prob BZE too.....Lots of Belizeans in by Hobby Airport & Clear Lake too......
161 Post contains images AA767LOVER : Yellowtail . . . do they have good Salvadoran restaurants in that area? I've had too much Tex-Mex apparently My parents used to live in Houston, south
162 AA767LOVER : Honestly, it's not that bad - at least back in 2006/2007. Maybe the situation is far worse now. Otto Perez may be a good general, if not the most cor
163 mah4546 : There is a large Salvadorian population in Texas, but that list is total passengers, not O&D. That said, Salvadorian community is not large in So
164 avi8 : GUA could be an alternative for SAL. There's more O/D and the terminal isn't that bad. All it needs are a few tweeks. GUA could focus on the CA-USA as
165 SJOtoLIR : You found a good point here. CM PTY-GUA is flying 7x daily flights, four of them as non-stop. However, the demand doesn't meet the supply, given how
166 AA767LOVER : Great stuff! Good to know that IAH-SAL has such a high demand then . . . will UA or TA offer two flights daily each?
167 mt99 : Oh no; SJO is beyond "expensive" - i want to say $4 Coke...
168 SJOtoLIR : UA SAL-IAH 14x weekly TA SAL-IAH 7x weekly. This flight is entirely attending the O&D sector. . ...or USD 8 for my "Imperial" can. Regards.
169 yellowtail : Not since TA joined star alliance....at TA does have feed at SAL....I know people that do BZE-SAL-IAH....don't ask me why, they just do
170 avi8 : Is the demand between SAL larger than GUA-IAH? I always thought that GUA-MIA was behind PTY and SJO in O/D.
171 yellowtail : Speculation in another thread that IB is having trouble with PTY (which I doubt) ...and with SAL. Thoughts? I doubt Salo would allow IB to leave PTY w
172 SJOtoLIR : It's a good point ! TA is also code-sharing with UA IAH-IAD, UA IAH-ORD, UA IAH-DEN and so forth. TA SAL-IAH returned to early departures to Houston,
173 2travel2know2 : IB MAD-PTY-MAD has CM code-share now. As how IB and CM are promoting that code-share I've my doubts but I could think that at least MAD-MGA traffic f
174 SJOtoLIR : Correct. MGA, SAL, GUA, and SJO, are now bearing the IB code in their respective flights operated by CM. . As far as I know, IB is experiencing troub
175 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : IB will not cut PTY flights from www.prensa.com in Spanish Acording to La Prensa, IB has denied that it'll cut flights to PTY as it was mentioned on d
176 yellowtail : I see in the OAG thread that B6 are trimming LIR during one of the busiest months of the year. B6 JFK-LIR APR 1.0>0.8 This coupled with CMs public
177 2travel2know2 : Maybe if CM tags-on GUA to PTY-LIR GUA could improve LIR lousy loads.
178 SJOtoLIR : Technically, it's the same as shown: Guatemala City - Houston January 2012......21 449 February 2012....15 208 March 2012........22 165 April 2012...
179 bjorn14 : Can anybody shed some light on why Puerto Barrios (PBR) has no air service? The Izabal department its in has 300K'+ population a good cruise port, gat
180 avi8 : There are plans to improve the airport. The problem is that not many people would be willing to pay 300+ dollars for a short hop. I bet if anything it
181 yellowtail : I know Tropic Air has looked at it.
182 LAXdude1023 : IAH-SAL is 120 passengers a day each direction. DFW-SAL is 70 passengers a day each direction. Throw in the rest of Texas and its probably well over
183 2travel2know2 : So WN could start some kind of weekly frequency AUS/SAT-SAL right now and it'd not lose its shirt.
184 LAXdude1023 : Well, I wouldnt go that far. There is probably only around 15-20 PDEW from Texas to El Salvador that does not originate in either Houston or Dallas.
185 2travel2know2 : If fares were very low and Central American passenger-friendly baggage allowance, would Salvadoreans in Dallas and Houston get to AUS to board WN to
186 yellowtail : Here is a thought....Maybe Air PAnama should become CMs regional carrier. The Fokkers would do great flying PTY-LIR, BZE, GCM, BGI
187 SJOtoLIR : I don't visualize Air Panama going so far. San Jose is its sole international destination and it's served as PAC-DAV-SJO thrice a week with turbo-pro
188 2travel2know2 : I don't think CM wants the burden of carrying Air Panama vintage Fokker while its has Embraer. If Air Panama was to fly Embraer that would be another
189 Post contains links and images copa330200 : from today's prensa ; CM Copa Airlines He labeled one of its new aircraft with the image of Biomuseo http://www.prensa.com/uhora/locales/...-con-la-im
190 SJOtoLIR : Copa Airlines will seasonally increase the Panama City - Rio de Janeiro service as follows: CM 873........PTY 15:22.........GIG 00:34+1...........Dail
191 2travel2know2 : So CM will be flying PTY-GIG thrice daily and PTY-GRU four times per day! And pretty sure Sâo Paulo could well support a fifth daily to GRU and a da
192 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-REC 4x weekly needs some time to consolidate this service which has only six months. Other secondary markets within Brazil have finally operat
193 2travel2know2 : I'm going to guess that in this case "consolidation" for CM means do something - now drastic - for them like combining FOR or SSA to the route and no
194 SJOtoLIR : B6 JFK-LIR will increase their services from 4x to 7x weekly; starting on December 21st. However, it will be reduced to 5x and 4x weekly in April 2013
195 Post contains images copa330200 : CM is now using the new Boeing design interior 737800 on the EZE and GRU flights. link:http://www.copaair.com/sites/CC/ES/Nuestros-Productos/Pages/ent
196 SJOtoLIR : TACA to start San Salvador - Medellin service: TA 369............SAL 19:45................MDE 23:35...........Ex Tu, Th, Sa............E90 TA 370.....
197 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : I believe SAL-MDE O/D may be so minimal, that the route could E135 material. And MDE international market is so MIA-centric that unless those times a
198 RCS763AV : Probably, but: Medellín has proven to have traffic to other places outside of MIA. After all it is a major economical and industrial center, the met
199 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MDE is apparently getting success based on their current weekly frequencies. I also think that CM MDE-PTY is not mainly supported in connectio
200 yellowtail : SAL is a much better connection point for AV/TA than SJO for pax travelling from/to MDE.....especially those going to the west coat USA....LAX, SFO...
201 2travel2know2 : But the new SAL-MDE-SAL schedule doesn't seem to be that good for travelling between IAH/DFW and MDE on AV metal.
202 Post contains images yellowtail : DL is bringing the 752 to BZE Saturdays in Feb / March. I know this may not seem like much to the rest of you all....but for us that is a big deal At
203 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The new edition has been loaded. Follow up ! Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51 (by SJOtoLIR Dec 9 2012 in Civil Aviation) Mods, please file th
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